[10/3/22 UPDATE: This post was originally published on 8/4/2022. Since then I decided to ask Beth Upton back to address some of these questions and had to change the blog post publishing date in order for WordPress to push this out as a new podcast. I told Beth beforehand I’d do an extra audio intro afterwards due to limited time, but I’ve changed my mind, and we didn’t even get to all the questions. For more of her background please see her website BethUpton.com and ourprevioustalks and checkout her latest project sanditthika.org a fledgling community in rural Spain for dedicated meditators]
The following questions arose while listening to what appears to be seven published videos from a 2006 (or 2016?) lecture series on Abhidhamma from Pa Auk Sayadaw [see end of post for all these videos]:
describe visual details of various kalapas
how can there be essence (as in nutritive essence, or is this maybe an inaccurate translation?)
Why no extended teachings on kasina meditation in the suttas?
[More specifically I meant why no mention (that I know of) in the suttas of using colored discs for kasina mediation as put forth in the Visuddhimagga]
What is the supportive nature of air element or how is the air element considered supportive?
Is it possible to discern pre- and post-kalapa phenomena as in being able to discern the causes and conditions leading up to the arising of a single kalapa and/or how the perishing of a single kalapa could influence, condition and/or be a cause to/of subsequent phenomena?
Could reality be significantly shifted/altered by/with different perceptual modes such as by variations in how of kalaps are perceived by meditators?
[While I did not mention this to Beth I wanted to emphasize: Let’s say Meditator B receives misleading Abhidhamma instruction with specific intent — deliberate or not — that differs significantly from Meditator A who receives right and proper Abhidhamma instruction taught with its true intent. Due to such high levels teachings and high levels of skill required to see and know Abhidhamma — and without discouraging (aspiring) practitioners — what could be some of the unforeseen negative consequences for Meditator B?]
What determines a kalapa’s location? How does this work?
How does Adhimokkha, decision work?
We did not get to the follow questions:
How does impingement happen, such as color impinging on eye base/sensitivity?
(If I’m getting this right) why is water not (considered) a tangible object (in these abhidhamma teachings)?
Is (the perception of) nonexistence conditioned? Why or why not and how?
How does fire element produce generations (of kalapas)? And why?
Is it (initially) easier for some to discern kalapas in fine/subtle material realms / deva realms / Brahmā realms? Why or why not?
Is there any significance(s) in (the) kalapas constituting DNA and/or various subatomic particles in establishment science?
What’s materiality/mentality like on boundary of form and the formless and what is the relationship of this, if any, to Nibbana?
Other Abhidhamma questions:
How much can kalapa (creation or) arising, assemblage, and perishing (or destruction) be (volitionally) influenced (and how much kamma is, or would be involved in such influencing)?
How do kalapas assemble, organize, construct, or appear to constitute form(s) on the level of consensus reality and beyond?
May 18, 2023 Update:
After watching Beth’s video Practicing to See the Kalapas here are some questions while watching, pausing and rewatching:
Does mastering the light kasina (beforehand) have any effect on (discerning) these processes? If so how?
What do the individual fragments of light look like?
Why does the light fragment?
Is intention involved in fragmenting the light?
Is there another way to discern the kalapas without light fragmenting? Why or why not?
Are there different types and classes of light? If so, what are they and how do they come to be?
What are the causes and conditions for light (in various locations and settings) to fragment as well as for the rate of light fragmentation?
How are kalapas linked to light?
Roughly how many kalapas constitute a grain of sand?
related questions:
Would it be possible to double-blind test multiple meditators to investigate the same single kalapa and/or group of kalapas (in location/time) reporting on all the elements / qualities / properties / characteristics in order to see if they come up with the same or similar accounts to describe each (or group of) kalapa(s)?
How close is modern physics and science to seeing, knowing and describing ultimate materiality as it really is?
Does ultimate materiality in subtle realms differ from ultimate materiality in the gross matter realms (like earth) and elsewhere?
And a few questions arising on a somewhat related video:
If I’m remembering right prior instructions where that involvement with jhana didn’t allow for jhana discernment. If that’s the case then how can jhana processes be discerned because either there’s jhana absorption or not right? And then there couldn’t be jhana outside of absorption in jhana to observe and discern right?
How do the mental processes of each jhana differ from jhana to jhana?Using intent and resolve and/or other means, how possible is it to play with bhavaṅga, e.g. rapidly switching between bhavaṅga and (most any of the other) mental factors and/or states? Or (choosing) staying in bhavaṅga (for long periods of time)?
The short description for this August 29th, 2022 Insight Timer live event, also listenable unedited in full at https://join.wisdom.audio/HhKz:
Not so much specifics on how to directly discern deception but looking at the importance of doing so then going deeper and broader than the surface manifestations of deception along with a blast of categories and techniques to illustrate ubiquity while providing reference points for further study
My notes:
Zero consent for using this information for harmful and/or deceitful purpose(s). Stop listening now if even a shred of thought that you may at some point use this info for deception
Intent to lead to true knowledge and liberation
Spurring this talk: Why do people say one thing, mean another, and act in a different way entirely?
having the power of discerning and judging properly as to what is true or right; possessing discernment, judgment, or discretion.
definition of “wisdom”
identify these tactics in more everyday life to build discernment skills for higher level challenges on your path, religion, spiritual endeavors, etc. eg. mentioned sexual scandals in spiritual communities; maybe overblown; hierarchy sleeping amongst each other telling others to remain celibate then selecting certain others
study of archetypes to go deeper and broader than surface manifestation
knowing how specific archetypes are custom targeted for maximum effects and results
maybe this is kind of a let down but not really qualified to go into archetypes nor the time here anyway. I suggest also putting aside time to pay attention to the insights arising when studying and practicing with discerning deception and how such insights can apply to real life
purposes of deception: revenge and protection and pleasure for psychopaths . . . but guess I’m not entirely beyond deriving some pleasure from calling out deception yet.
my last borderline deception story dealing with sales
Also to go deeper and broader than the surface manifestations of deception look into these three things: psychopathy, revenge and protection
BTW, a definition of mine of psychopathy:
#Psychopathy: Everybody will only be better off if/when I only get what I want when I want it & do not get what I don't want ever. The opposite for enemies, challengers, & competitors. Ensure no one &/or nothing can run contrary to this no matter what it takes & pretend otherwise
get really bizarre when going beyond these mostly public techniques to look up mostly available on wikipedia I’d imagine
worked in marketing, know some of these directly, via observation, study and of course from mostly popular media like spy movies
some of these are direct deception techniques but some can act as supportive and some are defensive
and some are deployed differently in different mediums and given certain conditions
just as some folks are inclined to honesty with lying being foreign there’s the polarity
line from the metta sutta: “let none deceive another nor despise anyone in any state”
uncovering deception, at least for me can lead to despising and despising can lead to, or cause a deceptive response. And wanting to be despised so they can deceive and/or be validated in doing so. Destructive Twin flames
List of deceit, trickery, and manipulation methods
tired old lies
repeating lies so often they seem true
Big lie: ‘the use of a lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”‘
lie and deny, deny, deny
broad sweeping flat denials: deny, deny, deny
basing various things — programs, stories, ideals, actions, etc — on a foundation of lies
avoidance
reward and punishment
lying and deceptions is taught, gamed, revered, lauded, and perpetuated by mass media to get ahead — it’s an inverted proving of superiority and uplifting service to self
catch phrases
trigger words
fronting (sometime for others) and pretending to be what one is not to varying degrees (in order to maintain some credibility) and with varying degrees of consciousness and unconsciousness
deliberately appearing to be a certain way to conceal intentions to deceive [watch for “tells” and give away to indicate this like Freudian slips, body language, gestures, etc. I refer to the show Lie To Me]
gaslighting
narcism
double speak
narrowing subject matter down to an (selfish) opportunistic aspect, sometimes distorted or twisted, then ignoring, writing off, and/or distracting from other facets of the subject, then applying other means mentioned here
inverting and using pretty much everything said and done against perceived opponents by claiming allowances and counter-allowances (and upheld as valid with and within their jurisdictional rules)
tacit consent and harvesting consent
influencing and indoctrinating certain morals, values, valuations, importance and intent not always in the ways one believes or is led to believe
leveraging (social) norms and peer pressure
corporate, private, governmental and military “intelligence” industries
hoaxes
stockholm syndrome
Factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA), also called Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP)
questions that are “leading”
leading / bread crumbing
language control:
Neurolinguistic Programing (NLP) for ill
placing people in camps by different terminology choices for same notion eg. Indians, Indigenous, Native Americans, American Indians, etc
false sense of belonging: inclusion / exclusion dynamics
plausible deniability
(non-disclosure or lack of sufficient notification(s) and explanation(s)) then giving a cherry-picked depiction, spin, vital information glossed over, not given context, or used out of context. Potential example: reporting on public drills and simulations
carrot and stick
boiling frog effect
Pavlovian conditioning
sheep dipping
spinning outcome to defend or look benevolent
admitting to some (more minor) wrongdoing especially when confronted with some bigger wrongdoing
conditioning and re-looping/repeating
divide and conquer
influencing another to make one’s preferred choice and make it seem like one didn’t influence it including prior knowing of another’s disposition, personality type, ideals, habits, patterns, usual choices then using ambiguity and suggestion to lead the other to make the choice one wants
illusion of something has to stop before something else can start
illusion of you have to have this or be this way or your life won’t get better
transference / countertransference / projection dynamic (or at least knowledge of)
dumping
twisting words
blackmail
rope-a-dope
contracts
randsom
copy(cat) tactics
gatekeeping
Conclusion:
How do we skillfully and wisely view and respond to those who deceive?
Can we find dignity?
I’ve tested waters by asking some “how do you deal with fools“?
If those engaging in these types of activity had more joy there would be less incentive to engage in these. When distortions, defilements, and hindrances are at least held at bay joy arises naturally.
Learned a lot from this work, thanks. In the introduction I’m unclear on the meaning of “as well as the living in the view of reality.” Other questions: How are the relics enshrined inside the temple? How was the design chosen or conceived especially the portions distinguishing it from other stupas and pagodas in the country? What are the symbolic meanings/significance of each unique feature on the pagoda? Are there and/or were there places at the pagoda to meditate that are socially acceptable? Why or why not?
And a reply:
Hi! Please accept my late reply to my presentation.Your questions improve my knowledge. Thank you.
People are chanting, meditating at the Shwedagon pagoda; it is a freedom of religious practice on the social space at the tangible and intangible cultural heritage of Myanmar.
Relics were excavated by labourers when building barracks on the site of an old pagoda east of the Shwedagon Pagoda in 1855 and is now in the Victoria and Albert Museum.
I would like to answer the meaning of reality – either living in what appears to be or living in an emptiness from the Buddha’s perspective. If you don’t accept both, it’s up to you.
For your other questions (I couldn’t spot what you want to know exactly – How was the design chosen or conceived, especially the portions distinguishing it from other stupas and pagodas in the country? What are the symbolic meanings/significance of each unique feature on the pagoda?
However, I can answer only that is – the design of Shwedagon Pagoda is unique and it includes an umbrella crown, banana bud and the belled-shape stupa is covered with over 20,000 gold bars.
Best Regards,
Pa Htwa
What’s also interesting is the pagoda’s massive public display of wealth:
Shwedagon is very rich in one of the wonderful religious world. The belled-shape stupa is covered with over 20,000 gold bars.
The top of the stupa is encrusted with approximately 5,500 diamonds, 2,300 rubies, 4,000 golden bells and other precious gemstones;
At the very top of the crown, the diamond bud which is tipped with a 72 carat (15 g) diamond. The asset of its diamond crown is estimated at more than US$ 3 billion.
Now consider the Buddhist prohibition of public display of psychic powers, which if I remember right was instated after a monk levitated to the top of a pole in a contest to retrieve a sandalwood bowl
How might such displays of material and spiritual abundance factor into the the political situations in Myanmar Burma?
Somewhat related by mere means of its popularity, in regards to the coup situation in Myanmar Burma, even if it is heavy propaganda, why don’t Westerners seem to ever see and hear about any reasoning behind why the coup happened in popular corporate, governmental and social media?
Regular, current and past visitors to Integrating Presence may recall the monthly series “Ask Us Anything” I did with Denny K Miu from August 2020 until January 2022 — partially including and continuing on with Lydia Grace as co-host for awhile until March 2022.
For a fewmonthsthereafter I did various Insight Timer live events exploring potential new directions and/or a continuation of the Ask Us Anything format while weaving in other related teachings to these events.
Then, after chats with meditation coach Wendy Nash, it became clear to start a new collaboration similar to “Ask Us Anything” simply and clearly called “Meditation Q & A” especially due to the original intent of the Ask Us Anything’s being “discussions about meditation and related topics.”
As of the time of writing this I’m compromising with Wendy’s request for no editing — since so much of our media diet is contrived — by leaving the video version untouched while doing minimal editing for the audio/podcast versions. Being unedited gives viewers a real time peek into varying skill ranges on how meditators handle technical difficulties (at least in this first session) while editing some of these moments out for the audio versions will save listeners time and better befit Insight Timer.
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While I reference some non-Buddhist material most everything in the notes and podcasts for this series on The Iddhipāda-Vibhaṅga Sutta are solely my effort to relate considerations, questions, experiences, explorations, suggestions, interpretations and practices involved and associated with this sutta.
This series comes via seven categories/blog posts/podcasts:
In more detail, the four Iddhipāda — sometimes translated as bases of psychic power, basis of psychic power, bases of power, base of spiritual power, wings to success, paths of accomplishment, accomplishments, or roads to power — are:
vīmaṃsā: investigation; inquiry; discernment; discrimination; reason; interest; intelligent curiosity; [(perhaps a new contribution, or for chanda:) balanced and helpful enthrallment, fascination]; feedback and fine tuning, adjustment; learn from doing; circumspection
Along with aiding our even mundane accomplishments and mastery, perhaps the Iddhipāda play a significant role in approaching will — the way one decides on and initiates action — and at the core of The Iddhipāda-Vibhaṅga Sutta is an analysis of will along with instructions for its training, development, and use.
Summary, Findings, Observations And Comparisons
If “The Iddhipāda-Vibhaṅga Sutta — An Analysis Of The Bases Of Power” is (mostly) for monastics, what would be any significant difference(s) for a lay version?
Iddhipāda development instructions left out of the “The Iddhipāda-Vibhaṅga Sutta — An Analysis Of The Bases Of Power”
I also discovered towards the end of producing this series the “the practice that leads to the development of the bases of psychic power”:
And what is the practice that leads to the development of the bases of psychic power?
It is simply this noble eightfold path, that is:
right view, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right immersion.
This is called the practice that leads to the development of the bases of psychic power.”
“…perceiving what is in front and behind so that what is in front is the same as what is behind, and what is behind is the same as what is in front.”
Or translated:
“…perceiving continuity: as before, so after; as after, so before”
Could this also be somehow related to helping with seeing, knowing and discerning the arising and passing nature of phenomena and/or (a type of pivot point between) past and future, aka the present moment due to keeping a “. . . perception of what is in front & behind … well in hand, well-attended to, well-considered, well-tuned [‘penetrated’] by means of discernment,” or “the perception of continuity is properly grasped, attended, borne in mind, and comprehended with wisdom”?
Extrapolating a take on encrypted Esoteric instructions and teachings (in the subtext)
“There is the case where a monk develops the base of power endowed with concentration founded on desire & the fabrications of exertion, thinking, ‘This desire of mine will be neither overly sluggish nor overly active, neither inwardly constricted nor outwardly scattered.’ He keeps perceiving what is in front & behind so that what is in front is the same as what is behind, what is behind is the same as what is in front. What is below is the same as what is above, what is above is the same as what is below. (He dwells) by night as by day, and by day as by night. By means of an awareness thus open & unhampered, he develops a brightened mind.
Woo woo and run on sentence alert:
Why would the Buddha initially give somewhat cryptic instructions in “An Analysis of the Bases of Power — Iddhipāda-Vibhaṅga Sutta” then go on to explain them in ways where some don’t seem immediately obvious and/or related to the initial cryptic instructions? Could this be a nod to various occult(ed) means to power using some of the same kind of imagery while at the same time decrypting in a manner that could be critical to/of established occult systems (for those with eyes to see and ears to hear)? And/or even going so far as to the initial cryptic instructions actually being what is only taught secretly to some occult initiates then saying there’s deeper layers of decoding while critically commenting — by reading between the lines and in the subtext — on (the) existing occult schools and systems, ie. not with some kind of reformulated, recreated, homogenized, special 360 vision for “perceiving what is in front & behind so that what is in front is the same as what is behind, what is behind is the same as what is in front”; nor by (somehow) purifying the body by rituals (because internally it’s “full of various kinds of unclean things”); and by dwelling so “what is below is the same as what is above, and what is above is the same as what is below,” means not something such as combining heaven, hell and earth, or emphasizing ((symbolic) spats over) various hierarchies, but by mindfulness to/of/for — in a kind of way — the immediate everyday human reality of being trapped in/with a meat suit body composed of foul things.
Why would the Buddha draw attention to, and give instruction to invert something, anything — in this instance to dwell or “meditate as by day, so by night; as by night, so by day. . . [by developing] the basis of psychic power that has immersion due to enthusiasm [ /energy/ mental development/ inquiry], and active effort, with the same features, attributes, and signs by day as by night. And they develop it with the same features, attributes, and signs by night as by day.” Are there other instances where the Buddha specifically instructs inversions this explicitly?
“There are some contemplatives & brahmans, brahman, who have the perception of ‘day’ when it is night, and of ‘night’ when it is day. This, I tell you, is their being in a dwelling of delusion. As for me, I have the perception of ‘day’ when it is day, and of ‘night’ when it is night. . .”
Or translated:
“There are some ascetics and brahmins who perceive that it’s day when in fact it’s night, or perceive that it’s night when in fact it’s day. This meditation of theirs is delusional, I say. I perceive that it’s night when in fact it is night, and perceive that it’s day when in fact it is day. . .”
If this is an inversion though could the subtext involve (inversions on) how day and night came to be (altered) in this world (thus could such a type of instruction help invert an inversion for restoration)? [see: https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Earth%27s_Axial_Tilt]
To me the phrase “turning upright what had been overthrown” or “righting the overturned” from a popular refrain ending plenty of suttas is pretty close to inverting an inversion.
“Magnificent, Master Gotama! Magnificent, Master Gotama! Master Gotama has made the Dhamma clear in many ways, as though he were turning upright what had been overthrown, revealing what was hidden, showing the way to one who was lost, or holding up a lamp in the dark for those with eyesight to see forms. I go to Master Gotama for refuge and to the Dhamma and to the Sangha of bhikkhus. From today let Master Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone to him for refuge for life.”
Or translated:
“Excellent, Master Gotama! Excellent, Master Gotama! As if he were righting the overturned, or revealing the hidden, or pointing out the path to the lost, or lighting a lamp in the dark so people with good eyes can see what’s there, Master Gotama has made the teaching clear in many ways. I go for refuge to Master Gotama, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha. From this day forth, may Master Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”
Also, could doing practices or developing perceptions as mentioned in this sutta like “the perception of light, the perception of daytime [at any hour of the day] well in hand & well-established” make one a very bright light (so to speak) and so maybe dwelling by day as by night is helpful to not draw so much attention to oneself?
Out of this placement of King and Priest as the highest offices of this world emerged the restatement of the ancient ritual of establishing two pillars at the entrance of every temple, oriented to the rising sun (rising son = Horus Rising or Horizon) coming over the horizon on the first day of spring on the vernal equinox. These two pillars represent the Line of the King and the Line of the Priest, who established their lineages to control the Land and the Law throughout history to the present time.
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The storyline of the Isis and Osiris mystery cult is simple and quite instructive. There are nine godheads in the primary Egyptian Pantheon known as the Ennead. Anu sits at the top of the Council of Nine (the Ennead). Below him are two sets of brother/sister twins (husband and wife) that embody the physical Earth in its primordial elements: Earth, Air, Fire and Water. Out of these emerge another two sets of brother/sister twins (husband and wife), representing the polarity of dark and light in the false light matrix of the hologram containment field. These are Isis and Osiris on the light side, from who emerges the prodigal Sun/Son Horus, who rises in the east at the Horizon (Horus Rising). Set and Nephthys counter the light as it is extinguished on the western horizon by Set as he removes the light of the day at Sun-Set and gives it over to his sister/wife to cover the Night. Light and Dark, Black and White, the never-ending polarity, displayed for all to see on every Masonic temple floor, in Westminster Abbey and many more.
Night — Milwaukee, 2020Day — Seattle, 2019Light — (Chem/)Sun dogs & Moon dog
Maybe having “the perception of light, the perception of daytime [at any hour of the day] well in hand & well-established” is a boosted illumination of consciousness to neutralize forces of “light and darkness” especially when added to the sort of swapping of perceptions for day and night. Such day and night perception swapping, coupled with the perception of light allows for light to prevail amongst what some say are now unnatural/manipulated periods of sunlight and no sunlight on earth where others say in a far ancient time the earth had two suns and no darkness. And perhaps this also lends skillful perceptions of night, unlike some symbolic representations of night like a nuclear winter or dark ages or a worldwide virus.
Perhaps the four protective meditations on foulness, death, loving-kindness and the Buddha are helpful to address non-benevolent powerful forces not so keen on the rise in power of those whom align with more benevolent intents.
Meditation on death could perhaps deter those who threaten with death to invoke (and feed on the subsequent) fear. Death meditation could also deter those who would like to keep on and on with tactic after tactic to block progress with the faulty reasoning that one’s current existence is eternal so what’s the big deal with messing around with someone if doing so is only a blip in the grand scheme of things.
Loving-kindness can protect against mischievous beings only crying out for kindness (and not really realizing it); for those who still have a conscience but have temporarily forgotten it; and towards those who seek to provoke anger, violence, ill-will and retaliation (as fuel).
Meditation on death and loving-kindness may protect against any harmful actions of nihilists since they resonate with death and the energy of loving-kindness may be a reprieve from their bleakness.
And of course meditation on the Buddha — and the true pinnacle of awareness represented thereby — appeals as a deterrent for more seemingly middle of the road, non-benevolent forces, especially those who seek to connive using (false) knowledge, deception, distractions, deterrents, tricks, foolery, games, etc.
Finally meditation on foulness can deter (those forces appealing to) lust, seduction and misuse of sexual energy.
Much of this series seems to present the four Iddhipāda as objects. However, perhaps perceiving the Iddhipāda more as features, aspects, and/or characteristics will help add further vistas and dimensions of the Iddhipāda for greater meaning and inner/over/understanding.
Again, this series comes via seven categories/blog posts/podcasts:
Audio: Studying And Practicing With “The Iddhipāda-Vibhaṅga Sutta — An Analysis Of The Bases Of Power”: Summary, Findings, Observations And Comparisons (7 of 7)
[10/15/2022 UPDATE: Big thanks to the host and participant for allowing me the opportunity, training and experience to lead and facilitate my first (outdoor) (mini) retreat. Possible future retreats include: this spot; at friends’ newly acquired southern central Illinois property of Eastern woodlands; as well as at other locations as arrangements are made]
Wholeness Integrating Presence readers! I’ve come across a small outdoor retreat space at a private residence in a neighborhood in the greater St Louis, Missouri area somewhat close to the city itself.
This is an open call to join my first (micro) donation-based sitting and walking meditation retreat as of now limited to five meditators from 10am to noon on Saturday October 15, 2022. Chairs are provided and I have a few extra blankets and meditation cushions if needed/requested.
Tentative schedule:
10:00am – 10:10 — Greetings, introduction, brief orientation and instructions
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The description for this August 26th Insight Timer live event followed by my notes:
Not full of cr*p. For those (interested in) practicing the Four Sublime Abidings of loving-kindness, compassion, vicarious joy/rejoicing & equanimity join this Mettāsahagata Sutta (SN 46.54) sharing where we penetrate into even higher release by examining various modes of repugnance & lack thereof
Want to say the Pali word translated as “repulsive”, and my translation/use of “repugnant” is from:
appaṭikūle
appaṭikūlasaññī
With the “appa” defined as:
adjective & neuter small, little; trifling; few; rare; iic: very little, next to nothing (almost equivalent to a negative) (neuter) a little, a small amount; a trifling thing
I didn’t immediately find translations for the rest of that Pali word
In practical daily life for greater and greater freedom of heart:
Will come back to some of these at end again:
“repugnant” seems more extreme may really get our attention, Ṭhānissaro Bhikkhu uses “(not) loathsome,” but “repulsive” and “unrepulsive” in daily life:
people, groups, food, feelings, thoughts
perception level
David Lynch photos example
seeing buddha nature and/or divinity in the characters in our lives
respecting power in blasting noise pollution example
in relationships noticing strong likes and dislikes in same person
(vi) That which consists in dwelling perceiving the unrepulsive in the repulsive, etc., is called Noble Ones’ success, according as it is said: “What is Noble Ones’ success? Here, if a bhikkhu should wish, “May I dwell perceiving the unrepulsive in the repulsive,” he dwells perceiving the unrepulsive in that … he dwells in equanimity towards that, mindful and fully aware” (Paþis II 212). [382] This is called “Noble Ones’ success” because it is only produced in Noble Ones who have reached mind mastery.
For if a bhikkhu with cankers destroyed possesses this kind of success, then when in the case of a disagreeable object he is practicing pervasion with loving-kindness or giving attention to it as elements, he dwells perceiving the unrepulsive; or when in the case of an agreeable object he is practicing pervasion with foulness or giving attention to it as impermanent, he dwells perceiving the repulsive. Likewise, when in the case of the repulsive and unrepulsive he is practicing that same pervasion with loving-kindness or giving attention to it as elements, he dwells perceiving the unrepulsive; and when in the case of the unrepulsive and repulsive he is practicing that same pervasion with foulness or giving attention to it as impermanent, he dwells perceiving the repulsive. But when he is exercising the six-factored equanimity in the following way, “On seeing a visible object with the eye, he is neither glad nor …” (Paþis II 213), etc., then rejecting both the repulsive and the unrepulsive, he dwells in equanimity, mindful and fully aware.
For the meaning of this is expounded in the Paþisambhidá in the way beginning: “How does he dwell perceiving the unrepulsive in the repulsive? In the case of a disagreeable object he pervades it with loving-kindness or he treats it as elements” (Paþis II 212). Thus it is called, “Noble Ones’ success” because it is only produced in Noble Ones who have reached mind mastery.
Key translation differences
“And how, monks, is awareness-release through goodwill developed, what is its destination, what is its excellence, its fruit, & its consummation?
And how, bhikkhus, is the liberation of the mind by lovingkindness developed? What does it have as its destination, its culmination, its fruit, its final goal?
‘But reverends, how is the heart’s release by love developed? What is its destination, apex, fruit, and end?
Comparative paragraphs
“And how, monks, is awareness-release through goodwill developed, what is its destination, what is its excellence, its fruit, & its consummation?
“There is the case where a monk develops mindfulness as a factor for awakening accompanied by goodwill, dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion, dependent on cessation, resulting in letting go. He develops analysis of qualities as a factor for awakening… persistence as a factor for awakening… rapture as a factor for awakening… calm as a factor for awakening… concentration as a factor for awakening… equanimity as a factor for awakening accompanied by goodwill, dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion, dependent on cessation, resulting in letting go. If he wants, he remains percipient of loathsomeness in the presence of what is not loathsome. If he wants, he remains percipient of unloathsomeness in the presence of what is loathsome. If he wants, he remains percipient of loathsomeness in the presence of what is not loathsome & what is. If he wants, he remains percipient of unloathsomeness in the presence of what is loathsome & what is not. If he wants—in the presence of what is loathsome & what is not—cutting himself off from both, he remains equanimous, alert, & mindful. Or he may enter & remain in the beautiful liberation. I tell you, monks, awareness-release through goodwill has the beautiful as its excellence—in the case of one who has penetrated to no higher release.
“And how, bhikkhus, is the liberation of the mind by lovingkindness developed? What does it have as its destination, its culmination, its fruit, its final goal? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu develops the enlightenment factor of mindfulness accompanied by lovingkindness … the enlightenment factor of equanimity accompanied by lovingkindness, based upon seclusion, dispassion, and cessation, maturing in release. If he wishes: ‘May I dwell perceiving the repulsive in the unrepulsive,’ he dwells perceiving the repulsive therein. If he wishes: ‘May I dwell perceiving the unrepulsive in the repulsive,’ he dwells perceiving the unrepulsive therein. If he wishes: ‘May I dwell perceiving the repulsive in the unrepulsive and in the repulsive,’ he dwells perceiving the repulsive therein. If he wishes: ‘May I dwell perceiving the unrepulsive in the repulsive and in the unrepulsive,’ he dwells perceiving the unrepulsive therein. If he wishes: ‘Avoiding both the unrepulsive and the repulsive, may I dwell equanimously, mindful and clearly comprehending,’ then he dwells therein equanimously, mindful and clearly comprehending. Or else he enters and dwells in the deliverance of the beautiful. Bhikkhus, the liberation of mind by lovingkindness has the beautiful as its culmination, I say, for a wise bhikkhu here who has not penetrated to a superior liberation.
I remember hearing somewhere in the Visuddhimaga practicing metta, compassion, and rejoicing for jhana can only result as high as the first three jhanas. If so, this doesn’t seem to add up with this sutta. What am I missing and/or getting wrong?
How can we better identify and be mindful of repulsive and unrepulsive in daily life? How can we then work with these dynamics of repulsive/repugnant and unrepulsive/not repugnant / loathsomeness and what’s not loathsome?
Everyday live areas for exploration and practice: people, groups, food, feelings, thoughts, public bathrooms, bad neighborhoods, politicians
May I, you and all of us come to know the true heart’s release
Some comments from the event:
“A stressful work situation has many hidden beautiful moments” . . . . “I celebrate a win when I remain calm and easy in my mind when I’m stretched too thin. To see challenging coworkers as a being who is also learning and deciphering information. I can connect with my patients in small ways even when they present upset, angry.”
“How do you deal with “repulsive” things that you cannot get away from? For example, when you have very toxic relationships with people you love? Can you become more tolerant towards repulsive things at some point? Is that healthy?”
As of the time of initially publishing on August 30th, 2022 this blog post foregoes judgements and/or conclusions; it’s simply to show the process of a cease and desist letter from a law firm in reference to that now essentially wiped blog post that only points back here along with multiple responses both to the lawyer involved as well as my attempt to forward our email exchange to anyone at tm.org only to be met with a response from the same lawyer who had gotten a hold of this attempt.
One might still be able to find this now removed blog post (and/or various locations of its contents) consisting mostly of publicly available internet material along with some words from me at/from various publicly available online archival services (and/or other online locations)
——- Original Message ——- On Sunday, August 28th, 2022 at 5:54 AM, Jason Sytsma <JRS@ShuttleworthLaw.com> wrote:
Josh – Thank you for removing the content.
Warm regards,
Jason
Jason R. Sytsma Shuttleworth & Ingersoll, P.L.C. 115 3rd Street SE, Suite 500 Cedar Rapids, IA 52401 Phone: (319) 731-2216 Fax: (319) 365-8443 E-mail jrs@shuttleworthlaw.com
From: josh dippold [integratingpresence@protonmail.com] Sent: August 27, 2022 9:17 AM To: rfarley@tm.org Cc: postmaster@tm.org Subject: Fw: RE: Trademark Infringement – Transcendental Meditation
Wholeness Robert Farley and whom it may concern:
I’m forwarding this to you as your email is the only TM email address I could find. Please start at the bottom of this my email thread with a lawyer claiming to represent TM and forward this email to the appropriate parties please. After I sent my last email to this individual I received no further response from him. Due to the nature of what is mentioned herewithin I request a response from (someone from) the TM organization please
Boundless blessings,
josh dippold
integratingpresence.com
——- Original Message ——- On Wednesday, August 24th, 2022 at 6:24 PM, josh dippold <integratingpresence@protonmail.com> wrote:
OK Jason R. Sytsma, if I may a little lighthearted joke before I remove this: so if I understand you correctly you’re saying, um, no bro, I’m a bigboy lawyerpants! Me and my people don’t like this josh so get rid of it or else! Neener-neener-neener!
Anyway you’ve basically just repeated yourself like a broken record, paid little heed to my intent and requests. I guess I could forward our exchange to “the Foundation.” Also, please check your first form letter at least partially seemingly spit out by a machine as it says “We expect you to comply with these demands on or before December 01, 2021” but now you’re saying “We insist that you immediately remove this webpage”. Which is it? The inaccurate date or the resending of initial insistence of removal by a time in the past at point of contact? Is any part of this email exchange non-human?
Other than calling on the phone to see if this Jason R. Sytsma is in fact a real living being, I obviously don’t plan to pursue this much further as such ridiculousness is not worth further time and effort
——- Original Message ——- On Wednesday, August 24th, 2022 at 9:42 AM, Jason Sytsma <JRS@ShuttleworthLaw.com> wrote:
Josh – I’m legal counsel for the Foundation and acting on their authority. You are using without authorization the Foundation’s Transcendental Meditation trademark to promote your own version of meditation instruction. The Foundation cannot allow you to continue to infringe its trademark.
The Foundation protects its trademark in this manner to ensure a uniform, consistency of practice. All those who seek information on the TM program deserve accurate information about the TM program. By restricting use of the TM trademarks to only trained, licensed instructors, the Foundation can ensure uniform instruction and consistency in outcome. For these reasons, the Foundation enforces its trademark against unauthorized users.
You are free to promote other forms of meditation with other names. You are not free, however, to use the Foundation’s trademark. We insist that you immediately remove this webpage, else we will be forced to consider further legal action.
Sincerely,
Jason
Jason R. Sytsma Shuttleworth & Ingersoll, P.L.C. 115 3rd Street SE, Suite 500 Cedar Rapids, IA 52401 Phone: (319) 731-2216 Fax: (319) 365-8443 E-mail jrs@shuttleworthlaw.com
From: josh dippold <integratingpresence@protonmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 9:13 AM To: Jason Sytsma <JRS@ShuttleworthLaw.com> Subject: RE: Trademark Infringement – Transcendental Meditation
CYBERSECURITY WARNING : THIS EMAIL ORIGINATED FROM OUTSIDE OF SHUTTLEWORTH. DO NOT CLICK LINKS, OPEN ATTACHMENTS, OR SHARE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION UNLESS YOU RECOGNIZE THE SENDER AND KNOW THE CONTENT IS SAFE.
OK Jason Sytsma, is there any compromise here? Is there any other option other than removing the blog post? Have you relayed my changes to “The Foundation”? Also could you please let “The Foundation” know of the aforementioned questions please? Due to the nature of the material I request a reply from “The Foundation” about this directly please.
Boundless blessings,
josh dippold
integratingpresence.com
——- Original Message ——- On Wednesday, August 24th, 2022 at 4:50 AM, Jason Sytsma <JRS@ShuttleworthLaw.com> wrote:
Josh – Your update is unacceptable. There’s no exception for “research purposes” that would allow you to infringe the Foundation’s trademark. We insist that you remove the page.
Sincerely,
Jason
Jason R. Sytsma Shuttleworth & Ingersoll, P.L.C. 115 3rd Street SE, Suite 500 Cedar Rapids, IA 52401 Phone: (319) 731-2216 Fax: (319) 365-8443 E-mail jrs@shuttleworthlaw.com
From: josh dippold <integratingpresence@protonmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 5:42 PM To: Jason Sytsma <JRS@ShuttleworthLaw.com> Subject: Re: Trademark Infringement – Transcendental Meditation
CYBERSECURITY WARNING : THIS EMAIL ORIGINATED FROM OUTSIDE OF SHUTTLEWORTH. DO NOT CLICK LINKS, OPEN ATTACHMENTS, OR SHARE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION UNLESS YOU RECOGNIZE THE SENDER AND KNOW THE CONTENT IS SAFE.
Wholeness Jason Sytsma! I’ve updated the mentioned blog post with the following language:
8/23/2022 Disclaimer Update: This blog post is for research purposes only. I, nor this website, in zero ways intend to infringe upon the Transcendental Meditation trademark especially for competition as everything here and in real life is done on a donation basis with total income since inception being well under a few hundred dollars with expenses far exceeding that. Furthermore this blog post is to spark interest and encourage readers to visit http://tm.org to learn and find a teacher. I apologize for this oversight of not initially including such a disclaimer
Please let me know if this is sufficient to settle this matter.
——- Original Message ——- On Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 at 2:56 PM, Jason Sytsma <JRS@ShuttleworthLaw.com> wrote:
Dear Sir:
We represent Maharishi Foundation USA, Inc. (the “Foundation”). The Foundation holds the U.S. exclusive license for the registered service mark, “TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION”, U.S. Reg. No. 1,082,923. In connection with this mark, the Foundation is the exclusive source for educational services related to the teaching of a meditation program under the Transcendental Meditation® (TM®) trademarks in the United States.
The Foundation regards the “Transcendental Meditation” service mark as an enormously valuable asset. In order to preserve the integrity of this mark, and to maintain legal rights to it, the Foundation cannot allow unlicensed uses of this mark or uses of the mark in a manner that creates a likelihood of confusion.
We recently learned that you are using the term “Transcendence Meditation” to promote your own competing meditation instruction online at:
The federal Lanham Act prohibits the use of any copy or colorable imitation of a federally registered trademark in a manner that is likely to cause confusion. You are using the Foundation’s trademark to promote your own meditation instruction. This constitutes trademark infringement
We insist that you remove immediately all reference to any “transcend-formative” words from your websites and advertising. This necessarily includes ceasing any further references to “Transcendental Meditation” or using “transcend” or “transcendence” when advertising meditation or other forms of instruction in personal development.
We expect you to comply with these demands on or before December 01, 2021, or contact the undersigned before that date and confirm that you are in the process of complying with our demands.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Sincerely,
Jason R. Sytsma Shuttleworth & Ingersoll, P.L.C. 115 3rd Street SE, Suite 500 Cedar Rapids, IA 52401 Phone: (319) 731-2216 Fax: (319) 365-8443 E-mail jrs@shuttleworthlaw.com
The description to this August 17th, 2022 Insight Timer live event and subsequent notes:
Pretty much all considering joining this already know they’d like to gossip less so let’s dig into some teachings to really drive home the importance of quashing our gossip as we interactively share questions, feedback, contemplate, reflect and explore solutions
Recently uncovered levels of shame so forgive me if any of this where notes written beforehand comes off as shaming
I’m obviously not beyond gossip yet but am more interested in events and ideas so I’m kind of like an alien overhearing gossip at cafes then observing, contemplating, getting insights and “downloads”. Glad for this though and not everybody tethered to devices.
I’ve been out of traditional workplace for awhile which is a different more dangerous dynamic
Not to take to other extreme of avoiding discussing uncomfortable occurrences or keeping secrets only to perpetuate harm
relationships built on gossip
enlivens life
compassionate potential in weird way
comparison / ego involvement
how much is reflective or indicative of the degree to which one values and validates one’s own life and behavior?
Seems so juicy, important, irresistible, but what is the intent and reasons for involvement, even if just talking about someone?
How much are we trying to control other people — via judgements and advice — and not wanting it to happen to us or avoid that we may still do the same thing?
Can and how much of (unusual/foreign-like) drama of others points out what’s missing or not understood about one’s own relationships? How much do we learn from what others are going through and how can we do so better without getting addicted to and fueling unhelpful drama?
What do we find idle chatter and boring? What do we find juicy? How much of our assessment is person specific?
How can societal importance on an event affect how related, or involved people are gossiped about i.e., extra chatter from a “news item”?
Recall a gossip session. Recall for a few moments what was:
emotionally triggering
emotionally amplifying
a release, a relief
gratifying and a reinforcement to repeat this and/or other gossip
Ways to master gossip
feel what’s happening in and to body
after identifying some of the unskillful, unwise, unwholesome, unhelpful aspects (we’ve explored) consider the choice to stop feeding them
“Don’t respond to drama and drama won’t respond to you”
Notice where the value and worthiness is, where it’s coming from or where and how value and worthiness is missing
How can life be enlivened in the moment, especially with (former) gossip pals, without always relying on external stimulus?
How can we identify what gossip games and programs, old and new are running? How can we develop new healthy habits to replace them.
Old fashion: Males bond more around shared interests. How can males gossip less around shared interests? Female tend to bond more around relationships. How can females gossip less while still deeply engaging in relationships? Perhaps being more absorbed into the present helps both
Identify common, easy to notice landmarks and reference points to help recognize patterns and traps when gossiping that shout, “hey this is now happening again. I see it and now can choose differently.” Then what are some of those better choices?
“What we notice about others is what we’ve already addressed in ourselves”
From Matt Kahn’s 2/27/2024 newsletter ‘How to Eliminate the Tendency to Gossip’:
Are you sitting down? Don’t worry, you’re the first to know. But you cannot tell anyone. You’re never going to believe what they did next! How many times have you heard the breaking news alarm blaring within your social circles as you hope you are near the front of the line to get the latest salacious update on who did what? In a world where many define trust by how ‘in the know’ they remain with the juiciest details of someone’s life, the tendency to gossip continues to pull on the fabric of a society that often prefers talking about one another over talking to each other.
Fundamentally, the need for gossip has a few levels of motivation. At its core, gossiping is intended to be a way for people to process their feelings or gain the support of loved ones during times of difficulty. The oversight that turns sharing into gossip is discovered in where our focus is placed. While it is natural to share details about our experiences, when the focus is too consumed on ‘who did what’ along with deciding ‘what do we think of them as a result,’ the healing power of processing halts in the face of personal judgment.
As a way of seeing through and eliminating the tendency to gossip and judge, it is important to remember emotional processing is most effective when the focus of your sharing is centered more on how you feel than on the vilifying of another. Of course, if someone has violated your personal space, it is important to let people that you trust know to help advocate for your well-being. While confiding in someone you trust about the abuses you are ready to be freed from requires talking about another person, there is a palpable level of intention that makes a cry for help a much different experience than talking behind someone’s back.
Even when the energy just needs to speak disparaging words toward the character or people associated with your wounds, it is of equal importance for those holding space for your process to witness your sharing without feeding anyone’s ego through reflections of judgment. When operating from states of unconsciousness, it is common to believe you are offering companionship to others in pain by adopting their enemies as your own. While you don’t have to degrade the value of a person who hurt someone you love, it is equally unhelpful to correct someone in pain, who may need to accuse, criticize, and condemn a character, in order to move the layers of emotional energy that guide them further through their own healing process.
Since it is common to overlook the value of emotional companionship needed when holding space is invited, it can be nearly instinctive to partner up with others, in an attempt to become spiritual detectives intent on figuring out the motivations of another. Instead of focusing on ‘who did what’ or determining who was right or wrong, space holding is more so a willingness to be present for the versions of truth each person perceives, as it relates to the feelings that have surfaced to be healed. Even though people’s perceptions of reality can vary, shaped by their life experiences and internalized pain, it’s crucial to recognize that everyone has the inherent right to experience and navigate their emotions in their own manner, provided it doesn’t inflict harm on others, without being judged for the validity of their feelings.
Rather than fueling the fire of someone’s judgments or even trying to correct them, of fundamental importance when holding space is to honor how someone feels, no matter the narratives attached to each feeling or memory. In order to do so, it is important to resist the temptation to dig for information, even when the other person wants to give you updates, show you text threads, or troll someone’s social media pages in your presence. Instead, it is important to distinguish yourself as an ally of their soul and not an enabling haven for their ego to hide in. This occurs by maintaining a focus on someone’s emotional journey no matter how steeped in envy, jealousy, wrath, judgment, or rage they may need to be.
For example, let’s say a friend in pain says, “How could they have done this to me?” In all honesty, you can say, ‘I don’t know’ because the truth is, you don’t. You may have strong suspicions in one direction or another, but because you haven’t lived a lifetime in someone else’s shoes, you couldn’t assume to know anyone’s true motives without living out their history of pleasure and pain. Even when your intuition says, ‘I know exactly why,’ it is important to distinguish the ego’s belief in being intuitive from the true beauty of intuitive knowing.
When co-opted by the ego, you are likely to confuse the impulse of snap judgments with a sense of higher knowing—as if knowing why anything happened the way it did offers some degree of relief. Contrary to the ego’s ‘intuitive’ need to know, the soul’s version of intuition is knowing the right question to ask and the right things to say to help someone face themselves with supportive connection and compassion. In truth, relief is not a matter of knowing why, since there are always endless versions of why waiting to be answered. Instead, true relief is found in facing how we feel, whether in time spent alone or through the support of loved ones.
To help you deepen your ability to hold space by eliminating the tendency to gossip, please consider the following tips:
• Gossip is an unconscious way of feeling special. When we know details that others don’t, we are momentarily freed from beliefs in inferiority and fears of rejection by being ‘in the know’. Because gossip creates an energetic phenomenon known as ‘triangulation’, there is no redeeming healing benefit for any person involved when the sharing of feelings becomes the ridiculing or accusatory nature of talking behind someone’s back.
• To the best of your ability, choose to replace ‘what do I think about this’ with ‘how do I feel about it’.What you think about things is mainly an extrapolation of judgment that gives you no greater ability to feel or uncover the next most empowered steps you may need to take. It’s simply how the ego derives a false sense of power from the circumstances it has felt disempowered by. Since the ego doesn’t know how to make courageous decisions without making someone else an enemy to reject or avoid, you are better off focusing on your feelings, along with the changes in environment, relationship, or lifestyle that only have to be right for you and the journey you’re on.
• While you may be present when gossip ensues, trying to correct anyone’s behavior helps no one heal. In order to move from victimhood into empowerment, one must be permitted space to give words to their feelings. Gossip is a judgmental free-for-all where everyone engages in this expression with no one holding space for another person’s feelings. As this occurs, you can sit quietly and hold space for the emotionally-fueled sharing of others. Although, it is only helpful if it’s a space you willfully desire holding. Sometimes gossip can become so toxic that you may choose to remove yourself from the spiral of projection. When this occurs, you can politely excuse yourself without any need to correct the behavior of others, allowing it to naturally correct on its own as their healing deepens. This may help remind your inner healer that while you may be capable of space holding, it can only be a powerful gift to offer when holding space is a choice instead of an insistence or obligation.
When connecting takes precedence over correcting, we are able to hold space for the healing occurring in ourselves and others without adopting anyone’s narrative or creating energetic patterns of triangulation. Since the aim of personal integrity is to treat ourselves and others the way we wish to be treated, one of the best ways to heal lingering wounds of rejection, abandonment, and betrayal is to refuse playing that same hurtful role in someone else’s life. From this space of mindful compassion, the elimination of gossip becomes instinctive versus effortful and can occur for everyone’s mutual benefit.
The five hindrances — sensual desire, ill will, sloth & torpor, restlessness & worry, and doubt — hinder progress in meditation and in our daily lives. These five shroud: clarity of mind, the capacity of mindfulness, wisdom, and concentration. This wikipedia table states how each are suppressed and during what stages of enlightenment they are eradicated:
Just as, brahmin, if there is a pot of water mixed with orange, yellow, indigo or crimson dye, and a man with good sight should consider his own facial image in it, he could not recognize nor see it as it really is. So too when someone abides with their mind pervaded with sensual lust, overcome with sensual lust…
Ill-will
Just as, brahmin, if there is a pot of water heated over a fire, bubbling and boiling, and a man with good sight should consider his own facial image in it, he could not recognize nor see it as it really is. So too when someone abides with their mind pervaded by ill-will, overcome with ill-will …
Lethargy, Drowsiness, Sloth, Torpor
Just as, brahmin, if there is a pot of water covered with algae and water plants, and a man with good sight should consider his own facial image in it, he could not recognize nor see it as it really is. So too when someone abides with their mind pervaded by lethargy and drowsiness, overcome with lethargy and drowsiness …
Restlessness, Remorse, Worry
Just as, brahmin, if there is a pot of water stirred by the wind, agitated, swirling, producing wavelets, and a man with good sight should consider his own facial image in it, he could not recognize nor see it as it really is. So too when someone abides with their mind pervaded by restlessness and remorse, overcome by restlessness and remorse …
Doubt
Just as, brahmin, if there is a pot of water that is stirred up, turbid and muddy, placed in the dark, and a man with good sight should consider his own facial image in it, he could not recognize nor see it as it really is. So too when someone abides with their mind pervaded by doubt, overcome with doubt …
Integrating Presence 