Materiality And Mentality | (7/27/2021 — “Ask Us Anything – LIVE” With Denny K Miu And Guest Beth Upton)

Materiality and Mentality | (7/27/2021 — “Ask Us Anything – LIVE” With Denny K Miu And Guest Beth Upton

For this month’s regular open-audience, open-discussion “Ask Us Anything LIVE” — continuing discussions about meditation and related topics — Denny and I chat with meditation teacher Beth Upton most significantly about the Dependent Origination link Nāmarūpa, or Materiality and Mentality, which, according to Wikipedia, is “used in Buddhism to refer to the constituents of a living being: nāma is typically considered to refer to the mental component of the person, while rūpa refers to the physical.”

Audio only version — Materiality and Mentality | (7/27/2021 — “Ask Us Anything – LIVE” With Denny K Miu And Guest Beth Upton

We discuss:

  • Science and spirituality
  • Functions of mind without physical characteristics
  • How mind can create physicality
  • Causal relationships between Materiality and Mentality, including those continually keeping Materiality and Mentality together
  • Mind-born materiality
  • Material basis
  • Materiality in the six senses (five physical senses and mind)
  • Consciousness supporting materiality in the mind
  • Type of physicality located in the heart area responsible for mind consciousness to arise
  • How the power of Samadhi is a scientific tool to perceive consciousness
  • Directly perceiving the momentary arising and passing away particles making up the body
  • Mind arising and leaving a physical imprint in the brain and body
  • Samatha and Samadhi
  • Abhidhamma
  • Universal and non-universal mental qualities
  • Beth’s offer to teach leading scientists how to cultivate Samadhi in order to further scientific investigation and knowledge
  • Perception:
    • Conditional nature of perception
    • Progression, refinement and freeing of perception
    • New perceptions
    • Dangers
    • Arising and passing nature
  • Dumbing down of society
  • The importance, differences and confusions of what is, and what isn’t samadhi and Vipassanā
  • Mindfulness of body via breathing, impermanence and four elements meditation
  • Vast and varying differences of individualized responses to Co-V
  • Challenges and rewards of lay life and monastic life
  • Details, analysis and commentary on various four element mediation methods including internal and external perceptions
  • How depth of meditation correlates of with subtleness of meditation object including examples ranging from course to subtle
  • Intersections of Dhamma promotion, ((Non-)American attitudes surrounding) money, and generosity
  • Beth’s physical practices
  • Real life vs virtual meditation teachers and when to seek one

Other unmentioned relevant notes:

  • Namarupa relating to the classical spiritual question of “Who am I” as well as the dictum “Know Thyself”
  • Ever asked to “visit” realms other than human and animal to study Namarupa? If so, what can you say about this?

Other stuff afterwards:

  • Curious about karma(s) in relation to willfully intending change of/to the heart particles associated with mind consciousness especially in light of anicca (not-self); intended outcomes; and variations with different quantities (for example one particle or many)

Full twitter thread:

Current views on $Money thread: I’m open to many perspectives on #money, which is an idea at its core.

One skillful and wise constant though is the ethical gain and use of money.

Likely one of the most important questions: what amount of control does money have in your life?

CURREN(T)cy can be perceived as a representation of power and there’s also the flip side of the power and freedom of zero fear and concern if happening to be pennyless the rest of ones life

Money can be seen as a absolute joke on nearly all levels, contrasted with money being the main way to effect serious, meaningful mass change, even with small amounts

Being conscious with $ is dealt with on a case-by-case basis – earning, spending, investing, giving, and receiving with discernment. We find balance and middle ground with others’ perspectives and intents with money while retaining option to stick to your ethical guns so to speak

Non-attachment to outcome with money matters, ideally with zero greed involved and bypassing usury if possible.

Money is secondary to life lessons. Experiences happen with or without any certain amount of money.

We can always make more money, we can’t always get time back.

“Evil”, “good”, positive, negative, neutral, etc. associations with money can possibly be transmuted from one to the other depending on intent, action and conditions. If done wisely, this and other creative uses of money can often be beneficial

Money is also an expression of value/energy current — how much you value yourself and work. The more creational influence your work has the more value it has — the more effect it has the more outcome you will get energetically from what you’re producing

And from the Buddha’s Q & A with Āṭavaka:Āṭavaka

What is a [wo]man’s highest wealth?

Conviction[/confidence] is a [wo]man’s highest wealth.

How does one find wealth?

Doing what’s fitting, enduring burdens, one with initiative finds wealth.

Originally tweeted by j dippold (@JJDippold) on January 11, 2021.

Beth’s brief bio:

Beth was born in 1982 in London. She graduated from Cambridge University with a degree in Economics, then in 2008 ordained as a Buddhist nun at Pa Auk Meditation Centre in Myanmar. She spent five years training diligently in meditation in the Theravada tradition under the guidance of Pa Auk Sayadaw, then a further five years training in other meditation methods and doing long solo retreats. In 2014 Beth founded Sanditthika Meditation Community in the caves of Almeria, Spain. In 2018, after ten years of monastic life, Beth decided to disrobe in order to integrate some of the challenges of western life into her Dhamma practice. Beth has been teaching meditation since 2014 both in Almeria and in meditation retreats around the world.


186. For the clause, “With consciousness as condition, mentality-materiality”:

(1) By analysis of mind and matter,

(2) Occurrence in becoming, etc.,

(3) Inclusion, and (4) manner of condition, The exposition should be known.

187. 1. By analysis of mind and matter: here “mind” (náma—mentality) is the

three aggregates, that is, feeling, perception, and formations, because of their bending (namana) on to the object. “Matter” (rúpa—materiality) is the four great primary elements and the materiality derived [by clinging] from the four great primaries. Their analysis is given in the Description of the Aggregates (XIV.34f., 125f.). This, in the first place, is how the exposition of mentality-materiality should be known “by analysis.”

188. 2. By occurrence in becoming, et cetera: excepting one abode of beings, [that is, the non-percipient,] mentality occurs in all the kinds of becoming, generation, destiny, and station of consciousness, and in the remaining abodes of beings. Materiality occurs in two kinds of becoming, four kinds of generation, five destinies, the first four stations of consciousness, and the first five abodes of beings.

. . .

202. Here it may be asked: “But how is it to be known [562] that the mentality-materiality of rebirth-linking has consciousness as its condition?” From the suttas and from logic. For in the suttas it is established in many places that feeling, etc., have consciousness as condition in the way beginning, “States with parallel occurrence through consciousness” (Dhs §1522). But as to logic:

From matter seen here to be born Of consciousness a man can tell That consciousness is a condition For matter when unseen as well.

Whether consciousness likes it or not, [certain] material instances are seen to arise in conformity with it. And the unseen is inferred from the seen. So it can be known, by means of the consciousness-born materiality that is seen, that consciousness is also a condition for the unseen materiality of rebirth-linking. For it is said in the Paþþhána that, like the consciousness-originated, also the kamma-originated has consciousness as its condition (see Paþþh I 172–73).

This is how the exposition should be known “by manner of condition.”

This is the detailed explanation of the clause “With consciousness as condition, mentality-materiality.”

Selections on mentality-materiality from Chapter 17 of The Visuddhimagga

Other Beth Upton talks and teachings:

Previous post with Beth Upton:
Choosing a meditation object
Personal Instruction
Dependent Origination Teachings

(Mostly) Biographical (and relational) Interview:

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