Another Buddhist forum post shutdown: (Buddhist) origin of tobacco and its relation to Native American use(?)

Another closed forum post, this time closed with an extremely brief reason given of it not being specific enough.

Full question/post titled “Buddhist origin of tobacco and its relation to Native American use“:

Can anything wholesome, helpful, wise and skillful be mentioned about the (Chinese and/or nearby regions) origin(s) of tobacco and how it may and/or may not relate to tobacco use among Native American people — especially the types of tobacco Native Americans approve of now and throughout the known past?

Context from https://bodhiactivity.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/the-defects-of-tobacco-and-smoking-dudjom-rinpoche/ on this topic:

Approximately a hundred years after Buddha Shakyamuni’s parinirvana, a Chinese demon, maddened with obsession, spoke these dying words:

“Through my body I wish to lead the beings of this earth to lower realms. Bury my body intact and eventually a plant, different from all others, will grow out of my remains. Merely by smelling it, people will experience pleasure in body and mind, far more joyful than the union of male and female. It will spread far and wide until most of the beings on this earth will enjoy it.”

And a description from a talk https://www.pathgate.org/index.php/audio-teachings-by-lama-dondrup-dorje/18-old-audio-teachings/104-old-the-buddhist-perspective-on-tobacco on the topic:

Lama Dondrup Dorje gives a teaching based on the Terma and prediction of Chogyal Ratna, Sangay Lingpa, Rinzin Godem, Dundul Dorje and other great masters. The teaching explains the origin of tobacco and other drugs, the negative influences of the Four Maras, and the harm caused by tobacco, which brings war, famine, disease and chaos to the world, and separates those who are users of tobacco from ever attaining any understanding of the Dharma, leading them to take rebirth in the lower realms.

Various comments include(d):

  • tobacco’s use as allowable “medicine”
  • what the relationship (and/or lack of relationship) between Buddhism and tobacco is
  • if the plant mentioned was actually cannabis not tobacco; plants being void of intrinsic evil
  • opium dens
  • being about Terma in Nyingma tradition en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terma_(religion) with the term ‘Chinese demon’ perhaps a confusion from the terma’s Tibetan originator believing tobacco came from the east and unaware of its origins in the Americas.

And my comment after it being closed (not available there publicly):

Looking at the comments I feel it [the question] is taken as plenty specific just not neatly able to wrap up due to its metaphysical nature and the world’s current lack of metaphysical knowledge, or suppression of such knowledge. Even if it is not specific there are plenty of questions and vaguenesses to be derived and cleared up from the source material I’ve included

The intent being to explore truth within the context of subtle, often overlooked topics without disrupting harmony and concord. If allowed to speculate, perhaps the multiple political and cultural sensitivity involved influenced the decision to close it, and maybe for the best?

If tobacco prevents understanding the Dharma could tobacco also waylay other things positive and/or negative: “to-back-owe” [pun on “tobacco” — to back, or support, or reinforce what’s owed; and/or to go back to owing; and/or to be indebted (to forces or spirits involved with tobacco who provided a seeming benefit for the tobacco user and want some kind of compensation)]?


Another Shutdown

I asked:

How is Buddhism related and/or involved in what’s happening in Burma/Myanmar? Attempting to innerstand what’s going on in Burma/Myanmar by way of Buddhism there

Some topics/comments mentioned before shut down and subsequent deletion via bot:

  • killing of Rohingya Muslims by Buddhists in Myanmar
  • military coup and now civil war[s] between the military and local militias
  • “Radical Buddhism”

Published by josh dippold

IntegratingPresence.com

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