The short description for this August 29th, 2022 Insight Timer live event, also listenable unedited in full at https://join.wisdom.audio/HhKz:
Not so much specifics on how to directly discern deception but looking at the importance of doing so then going deeper and broader than the surface manifestations of deception along with a blast of categories and techniques to illustrate ubiquity while providing reference points for further study
My notes:
- Zero consent for using this information for harmful and/or deceitful purpose(s). Stop listening now if even a shred of thought that you may at some point use this info for deception
- Intent to lead to true knowledge and liberation
- Spurring this talk: Why do people say one thing, mean another, and act in a different way entirely?
- also voted most gullible in high school
- foolishness [transmuting and leveraging and committing to wise]
- important why?
- can lead to and cultivate wisdom
having the power of discerning and judging properly as to what is true or right; possessing discernment, judgment, or discretion.
definition of “wisdom”
- identify these tactics in more everyday life to build discernment skills for higher level challenges on your path, religion, spiritual endeavors, etc. eg. mentioned sexual scandals in spiritual communities; maybe overblown; hierarchy sleeping amongst each other telling others to remain celibate then selecting certain others
- study of archetypes to go deeper and broader than surface manifestation
- knowing how specific archetypes are custom targeted for maximum effects and results
- maybe this is kind of a let down but not really qualified to go into archetypes nor the time here anyway. I suggest also putting aside time to pay attention to the insights arising when studying and practicing with discerning deception and how such insights can apply to real life
- purposes of deception: revenge and protection and pleasure for psychopaths . . . but guess I’m not entirely beyond deriving some pleasure from calling out deception yet.
- my last borderline deception story dealing with sales
- Also to go deeper and broader than the surface manifestations of deception look into these three things: psychopathy, revenge and protection
BTW, a definition of mine of psychopathy:
Intro and build up to list:
- Nondisclosure Agreements (NDAs) for income
- get really bizarre when going beyond these mostly public techniques to look up mostly available on wikipedia I’d imagine
- worked in marketing, know some of these directly, via observation, study and of course from mostly popular media like spy movies
- some of these are direct deception techniques but some can act as supportive and some are defensive
- and some are deployed differently in different mediums and given certain conditions
- just as some folks are inclined to honesty with lying being foreign there’s the polarity
- line from the metta sutta: “let none deceive another nor despise anyone in any state”
- uncovering deception, at least for me can lead to despising and despising can lead to, or cause a deceptive response. And wanting to be despised so they can deceive and/or be validated in doing so. Destructive Twin flames
List of deceit, trickery, and manipulation methods
- tired old lies
- repeating lies so often they seem true
- Big lie: ‘the use of a lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”‘
- lie and deny, deny, deny
- broad sweeping flat denials: deny, deny, deny
- basing various things — programs, stories, ideals, actions, etc — on a foundation of lies
- avoidance
- reward and punishment
- lying and deceptions is taught, gamed, revered, lauded, and perpetuated by mass media to get ahead — it’s an inverted proving of superiority and uplifting service to self
- catch phrases
- trigger words
- fronting (sometime for others) and pretending to be what one is not to varying degrees (in order to maintain some credibility) and with varying degrees of consciousness and unconsciousness
- deliberately appearing to be a certain way to conceal intentions to deceive [watch for “tells” and give away to indicate this like Freudian slips, body language, gestures, etc. I refer to the show Lie To Me]
- gaslighting
- narcism
- double speak
- narrowing subject matter down to an (selfish) opportunistic aspect, sometimes distorted or twisted, then ignoring, writing off, and/or distracting from other facets of the subject, then applying other means mentioned here
- inverting and using pretty much everything said and done against perceived opponents by claiming allowances and counter-allowances (and upheld as valid with and within their jurisdictional rules)
- tacit consent and harvesting consent
- influencing and indoctrinating certain morals, values, valuations, importance and intent not always in the ways one believes or is led to believe
- leveraging (social) norms and peer pressure
- corporate, private, governmental and military “intelligence” industries
- hoaxes
- stockholm syndrome
- Factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA), also called Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP)
- questions that are “leading”
- leading / bread crumbing
- language control:
- Neurolinguistic Programing (NLP) for ill
- placing people in camps by different terminology choices for same notion eg. Indians, Indigenous, Native Americans, American Indians, etc
- cognitive dissonance
- repetition
- false sense of urgency
- false sense of belonging: inclusion / exclusion dynamics
- plausible deniability
- (non-disclosure or lack of sufficient notification(s) and explanation(s)) then giving a cherry-picked depiction, spin, vital information glossed over, not given context, or used out of context. Potential example: reporting on public drills and simulations
- carrot and stick
- boiling frog effect
- Pavlovian conditioning
- sheep dipping
- spinning outcome to defend or look benevolent
- admitting to some (more minor) wrongdoing especially when confronted with some bigger wrongdoing
- conditioning and re-looping/repeating
- divide and conquer
- influencing another to make one’s preferred choice and make it seem like one didn’t influence it including prior knowing of another’s disposition, personality type, ideals, habits, patterns, usual choices then using ambiguity and suggestion to lead the other to make the choice one wants
- illusion of something has to stop before something else can start
- illusion of you have to have this or be this way or your life won’t get better
- distraction aka look over here not over there
- overshadowing
- Brownstone operations / honeypot / glamor / dazzling / seduction / traps / femme fatale
- compromise
- compartmentalization
- passing the buck
- (illusion of) appropriation / special access, treatment
- turncoat
- calling out / protecting (like handlers & masters saying what someone could do to someone and what protection they’re offering)
- information and contact rates for various purposes: drip, steady, flood
- appealing to one’s defenses
- hiding (temporary) alliances / “sleepers” / sleeper cells / (de/re)activating network (nodes)
- paid actors and provocateurs
- enlisting personalities like actors who primarily can only find their/an identity in (relation to) others
- not disclosing that one action or program has little to do with what’s said but is actually addressing, and/or is part of something else / different
- mole / infiltration
- playing both sides, or double or triple agents
- controlled opposition
- capitalizing / leveraging weaknesses / using weakness against
- fear
- appealing to emotion over critical thinking
- manipulating emotions
- appealing to intellect
- appealing to — and adoption of — certain lifestyles
- fraud
- chaos creation / discord(ianism) / confusion / disharmony
- resignation
- dog eat dog to get ahead (mentality)
- appeal to survivalism
- using certain judgments for justifications and false justifications
- blackmail
- discrediting
- character assassination
- dismissal
- dumbing down
- (promoting) self-censorship
- defaming
- inciting harsh, divisive, derisive speech normally unbecoming
- ignoring
- making light of
- veiled threats
- shifting attention to something else
- bait and switch
- limited hangout
- plant
- handlers and masters
- (hierarchal) groups (running stuff like gang stalking)
- false flags
- ostracizing
- blacklisting
- shadow banning
- con games
- coverups
- greenwashing and whitewashing
- accusing others of what one is doing
- victim / victimizer
- victim shaming
- sexual misery programming
- Stockholm syndrome
- narrative(s)
- custom tailored narratives
- counter-narrative(s)
- perception / image / reputation / reality / narrative management
- psyops and other intel operations
- giving some truth / partial truth
- MK ULTRA and Project Monarch in mass media
- advertising and marketing tactics
- (ritual) abuse
- shame, blame and guilt
- extremes of nihilism and eternalism
- transference / countertransference / projection dynamic (or at least knowledge of)
- dumping
- twisting words
- blackmail
- rope-a-dope
- contracts
- randsom
- copy(cat) tactics
- gatekeeping
Conclusion:
How do we skillfully and wisely view and respond to those who deceive?
Can we find dignity?
I’ve tested waters by asking some “how do you deal with fools“?
If those engaging in these types of activity had more joy there would be less incentive to engage in these. When distortions, defilements, and hindrances are at least held at bay joy arises naturally.
Innerstanding some use deception for revenge and protection but there’s better ways of protection such as the Four Protective Meditations including Death Contemplation
[I kept in a question about deception seemingly being everywhere. I mention selective attention but forgot to mention confirmation bias.]
May we all come to know true joy in all our hearts!
Did the Buddha teach how to discern deception?
Audio: (Discerning) Deception
The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:
wholeness welcome this is josh depold from integratingpresence.com the event
description i have for this is not so much specifics on how to directly
discern deception but looking at the importance of doing so then going deeper
and broader than the surface manifestations of deception along with a blast of categories and techniques to
illustrate ubiquity while providing reference points for further study so
first off i want to say there’s zero consent given for using this information
for harmful and or deceitful purposes so stop listening now if even a shred of
thought that you may at some point use this information for harm or deception
okay so my intent with this is to lead towards true knowledge and liberation
and what spurred this talk for me was um well one of the things there’s several things but this question i had um kind
of distilled for me that explained a lot and i’ve mentioned this before you know why do
many people say one thing mean another and then act in an entirely
different way i think i’ve also mentioned before that i was voted most gullible in high school
so how about that for laying that on somebody right i mean how do i i’m still learning how not the shame blame or
guilt such wards and acclimades that’s not quite what i had in mind however the
silver lining of course is that if that was the case whether or not then it just gives that much more end of
the spectrum in order to come back and go to the other end of the spectrum of wisdom so why is this
important why is it important to discern deception well it can lead to and cultivate wisdom
a dictionary definition here um having the power of discerning and judging properly as to what is true or right
possessing discernment judgment or discretion with this information is to identify these in in more everyday life
in order to build discernment skills for higher level challenges on your path such as within religion
spiritual endeavors etc pretty much all this is a common knowledge in everyday life or
from the public domain for example i’ve mentioned in the past how we can use this deception especially in sexual
spiritual scandals in spiritual communities you know maybe they might be overblown but you know sometimes we hear
about there’s a hierarchy that are sleeping amongst each other and telling others to remain celibate
but then choosing select individuals who they will let in on their thing and do and hide that in the background you know
sometimes it comes out sometimes it doesn’t and comes out for various reasons i guess to go broader and deeper
into just the surface manifestation of deception may i suggest studying archetypes one of the ways to look at
the tarot is as human archetypes especially the minor arcana so when we
know these how these specific archetypes people who have deep knowledge and
insight and wisdom into these specific archetypes they can be used to help folks but they
people have the knowledge they can also custom target um these i guess individuals or certain
areas of life uh where they can identify these deep architects they can target them for maximum effects
and results i’m not really qualified to go into archetypes i feel at this point
and plus we don’t really have the time to anyway i do suggest putting aside time and pay
attention to any insights arising when studying and practicing with discerning deception how such
insights that come up while looking at this can actually be applied to daily life because we can have knowledge and
insight but if we’re not applying it to our daily life well then i guess you might as well just could be trivial add
to our knowledge of trivia i guess i’m not sure although you know there’s other
uses but i’ll just forego that for now so we look at deception itself and we
come up with for the purpose of why people engage in deception a lot of times it seems to be revenge and
protection and i would just add pleasure for psychopaths too i’m not entirely
beyond driving some pleasure from calling out deception quite yet so just
be careful how i do it though and i’m not totally beyond deception myself either i was kind of tested a while back
maybe a borderline deception so a salesperson came up when i was talking to some folks and friends and they said
oh came right up to me and said oh do you know the owner of this establishment that i was outside of and i was i said
yes i happen to know the owners of this place or maybe owner and actually the
owner was one of the owners was right beside me did i get off on a technicality i helped my friend out
about this from not having to deal with this maybe my excuse for this was i i
did take the information and i did give give it to him later i uh allowed it to
him to follow up so in a way that was a form of protection in a way so they
didn’t have to deal with it however now if i was pressed there was no questions you know who is the owner can i schedule
a time with the owner how do i get a hold of the owner this type of thing so it’s a really gray line i feel so i’m
open to suggestions on how to better dealt with that situation i felt that i could be interpreted either way now in a
lot of things i forgot some of the details of this too now i’m emitting these details probably from my own
to resolve this challenge in my mind so i don’t remember all the the exact
details this is one where it like hinges on every single word and people might say oh josh you know who cares you know
people deal with this every day it’s no big deal and i can definitely see that however here i am giving a talk about
deception so i just think i found it interesting for this to go broader and deeper than the surface manifestations
of deception i would definitely look into these three things more closely for our own
study and interest is psychopathy in general revenge and protection one of
the definitions or i came up with a definition of psychopathy this is kind of maybe the thought of a psychopath
everybody will only be better off if or when i get what i want when i want it
and do not get what i don’t want ever the opposite goes for my enemies
challengers and competitors ensure no one or nothing can run
contrary to this no matter what it takes and at the same time pretending
otherwise so this is just this cut throat psychopathy do whatever it takes okay so
now i get into getting get into the intro and build up this long list i have here
that i just probably rattle off without much commenting it seems like there’s a
fairly good amount of people on non-disclosure agreements too to make their income and make their ends
meet so they sign these non-disclosure agreements from what i understand is they can’t talk about certain things you
know they’ve already signed legal agreements saying they can’t say anything and you know there’s pros and cons i’m
not going to go into that so much i think that really this culture of non-disclosure
agreements i think needs to be scrutinized more and see where those can be minimized a lot
i’ve had people back when i was in the business world there used to be people that wouldn’t share even business ideas
a lot of times without people designing a non-disclosure agreement first just to share an idea
so now this is you know it gets really bizarre when we go beyond these mostly public techniques i’m going to mention
and most of these will probably be google i don’t think it’s the word searchable on wikipedia i did work in
online marketing for a while and i know some of these directly not necessarily just because of
marketing daily life you know through observation and study and of course mostly from popular media like spy
movies so there’ll be a lot of you know the spy techniques mentioned here because you know it’s the art of
deception right spies and that type of stuff some of these are direct deception
techniques but some can act as supportive to deception and some are like defensive
techniques some are deployed differently in different mediums given certain conditions too so it depends where the
person is where the deceiver and the deceived are interacting you know online certain
situations in life around certain people certain times if this than that else kind of thing and
then you know we just keep in mind that some folks are naturally inclined to honesty with lying being kind of foreign
to them and of course we all know there’s the polarity of this and then this line from the meta suit or suit on
loving kindness i really like it really stuck out for me and i was thinking about doing an entire podcast on this
let none deceive another nor despise anyone in any state i’ll just read that
one more time let none deceive another nor despise anyone in any state
so uncovering deception at least for me in my experience i’ve noticed can lead to despising if i see people deceiving
other people or trying to deceive me sometimes especially when i’m not mindful it can lead to despising that
person for what they’re doing and so that despising can also lead to or
seemingly cause or support a deceptive response in return so if we see someone
we despise i don’t know what we i mean i i see others hopefully you’re not this
way but i’ve seen it my in tendency myself too so if i also just see someone
as despicable then there might be a incentive for deception either i want to kind of feel
that i have to protect myself from this despicableness you know or maybe it’s just an inconvenience
maybe i found something they’ve done reprehensible and despicable and want to try to get revenge so there might be
deceptive tactics creeping into the mind or heart that uh present themselves as
options and when we’re not conscious of that or mindful of that sometimes we act on them out of revenge or protection
and then there’s the folks that who actually reverse where they want to be despised so they can in turn be
deceptive and have validation for their being deceptive this is kind of like a it
could be maybe a destructive twin flame type relationships perhaps so here we go
the list of deceit trickery manipulation and oops in advance on the lack of order
or any duplicates in this so at the top here you know we’ve got the just tired
old lies standard old tired old lies then repeating lies so often they seem
true you’ve got the lie and then deny deny deny so whatever comes somebody says
that just standard blanket denial deny deny deny the broad sweeping and flat denials so
there’s basing various things like programs stories ideals actions etc on a
foundation of lies if something’s built in the foundation of lies which often times it seems there are things then you
know everything is just going to be lies on top of that because it’s not true getting to that foundation identifying
that foundation of lies so there’s a tactic of avoidance of course we got the common one of reward
and punishment you know lying in deceptions are taught gamed revered they’re lauded and
perpetuated by mass media to get ahead it’s inverted proving of superiority
and an uplifting service to self mentality a lot of the media establishment oh i would say a lot but i
mean there is corporate governmental media in place to do just what i’ve mentioned or help support that by the
way i don’t know if i’ve mentioned these but i had i hadn’t done any special study or anything this these all just
came to me over the time this occurred to me to do i would just write things down that came to me there’s also catch
phrases used there’s trigger words technique of fronting sometimes for
others and pretending to be what one is not to varying degrees in order to maintain some credibility and with
varying degrees of consciousness and unconsciousness so this fronting pretending to be what
one’s not to maintain credibility and sometimes it’s done consciously and unconsciously and similarly deliberately
appearing to be a certain way to conceal intentions to deceive when somebody is trying to appear a
certain way conceal their intentions to deceive you know watch for tells quote-unquote tells and giveaways to
indicate this like sometimes freudian slips are something interesting to pay attention to
body language and gestures of course i think there was that one program with tim ross
about the different discerning body language of lying and whatnot and of course we have the ever popular
gaslighting and narcissism these days i mean especially in the last couple years
those have been big keywords i’ve i’ve heard people go into depth about gaslighting and
narcissism then we’ve got double speak we’ve got narrowing down subject matter
to a selfish opportunistic aspect sometimes distorted or twisted then ignoring writing off and
or distracting from other facets of the subject then applying other means mentioned here so that’s a
big mouthful here narrowing down subject matter to just what you want to achieve right and what
you hope to get out of something or what what the deceiver wants to get out so
of all the things they can cover in a subject matter they narrow it down to the things that fit their purpose
specifically and sometimes of course that’s distorted and twisted then they ignore write off or distract
from the other parts of the subject they can add some of the techniques mentioned here so
there’s inverting and using pretty much everything said and done against the perceived opponents by claiming
allowances and counter allowances yeah some of these are upheld as valid with and within their jurisdictional rules so
yeah this is using things against people coming up with excuses for why they do that like they haven’t allowed to do it
so and so said this and did this and because they’re this well then i get to do this and it’s
it’s upheld by system that i certain systems of whatever law or back channels
if you’re not going through legal systems and whatnot so there’s tacit consent in harvesting consent
there’s influencing and indoctrinating certain morals values
valuations importance and intent and ones that are not always in the way
one believes or is led to believe when somebody’s going after someone on more of a long
deception they can instill certain morals values valuations importance and
intent and some of these can be good actually but some of them could be just narrowed down that specifically serves
what they’re hoping to achieve and they can also instill these seemingly good things or maybe they are but in ways
that the person believes in another way they think that okay well these things are actually
mean this and go along with this but actually they’re just there to kind of
back up prop up and support like hidden agendas or hidden motivations and whatnot
so we’ve got leveraging social norms and peer pressure as far as arenas where this can happen
to you’ve got corporate private governmental and military intelligence industries we’ve got hoaxes
stockholm syndrome factitious disorder imposed on another
fdia that’s not the federal deposit insurance agency by the way with the bank right
this is also called munchausen syndrome by proxy so all you psychology people out there that i’m sure that’s been
you’re very well familiar with studying that one so questions that are leading you know they call this out in courts a
lot leading the witness kind of thing questions to lead someone in a certain direction towards what you want similar
to breadcrumbing and just leading in general then you have language control
neuro-linguistic programming but for ill i’m not too familiar with neuro-linguistic programming
there’s some that claim to use it for good and ill placing people in camps by different
terminology choices for the same notion this is kind of really common these days
so let’s say you have a concept and someone refers to this concept with one word and another person used maybe a
more politically correct uh version of this term people have been kind of conditioned oh if they use this word
they’re that kind of person they do this kind of thing they’re that for an example um maybe
indians even though i have went to kokia mounds on before on
artistic days where native americans in spoke i have asked a few how do you want to be referred to you want to be
referred to as indians native americans indigenous people indigenous americans so they said
all that’s kind all that’s okay what i get out of it is it really depends where your heart’s at when you say something
right yes certain things you know overall because of so many different factors seem obviously
more kind than others just the times some of them have been deliberately gone after and supported
to refer to certain things as one way over another way for all kinds of different reasons it’s too complex to go
into here but the important takeaway for this for me is where is your heart when you’re saying words and talking to
people and referring to certain things and i’m not saying i’m perfect with this obviously either so then we have
cognitive dissonance this is a really big one and i uh it didn’t seem to be popular the little
talk i gave on cognitive dissonance but this is a a vital one i feel for identifying
cognitive dissonance so we’ve got repetition saying the same thing over and over and over again
instilling a false sense of urgency false sense of belonging with inclusion
and exclusion dynamics there’s a technique of plausible deniability so
then we’ve got non-disclosure or lack of sufficient notifications and explanations
then giving a cherry-picked depiction spin and glossing over vital information
not giving context are used out of context and a potential example for this is
reporting on public drills and simulations so this is kind of a complex one i think i’m just gonna not say too
much more about for right now so then we’ve got the carrot and stick
this is a common approach boiling frog effect if you throw a frog
in a boiling pot of water it’s going to jump out so you do it really gradually you turn up the heat incrementally and
so it doesn’t even notice that it’s being boiled alive pavlovian conditioning
it’s a common psychological thing sheet dipping this is a intelligence term
spinning outcome to defend or look benevolent admitting to some minor wrongdoing especially when confronted
with some bigger wrongdoing conditioning and re-looping or repeating the ever
common divide and conquer tactics we’ve got influencing another to make one’s
preferred choice and make it seem like one didn’t influence it including having
prior knowledge of another’s disposition personality type ideals habits patterns
usual choices then using ambiguity and suggestion to lead the other
to make the choice one once and make it seem like they made that choice mainly
on their own right so basically this is just oh you have a ton of information about this person but you don’t let them
know you do and so you know so much about them but you don’t let on to that you know a lot about them
and then you kind of play on that to influence them
have them seemingly make their own decision that benefits you and again i hear i’m using you but you get the idea
okay so there’s an illusion of something has to stop before something else can start right you see this kind
of on tv too oh you have to get rid of this before you can start this this has got to end before you can really start
to do this that you want to do well not necessarily the old thing can keep going and something new can start katavari
says interesting to think sometimes deception can be considered honorable like deceiving the gestapo during world
war ii yes this is the exception to deception right this is what some claim and
i’m on the fence a little bit about this it depends on our skill set right so if
lives are going to be saved by deception it’s it’s a really fine line and i think it has to be done on a case-by-case
basis i’m not sure exactly what that’s if that’s what’s being referred to here i would just say to that depending on
your skill level some people are just so trained to kind of immediately lie they have that skill set that it it almost
takes less energy for them to do that to lie than actually tell the truth or something so you know in that case when
potential lies but then how do you know for sure if you’re going to be able to save the live or not it’s interesting with discernment i would just encourage
people to put the extra effort into using the least amount of deception
in order to achieve the same result as our perception expands and gets better
we can kind of see choices and options in ways to handle
and view and address things that don’t need to involve deception or lying we don’t necessarily have to give up what
we want either and at the same time don’t have to lie there’s just a lot more options open up instead of the kind
of conditioned response to just lie it’s easier you don’t have to you know use more consciousness and mind and
perception to stay on track with honesty and truth and at the same time
yeah you don’t have to give up exactly what your goals and what you’re after either that way it takes training and practice
back to this there’s the illusion that you have to have this or you have to be this way or your life won’t get better
right this is a common advertising tactic this image of oh this you you’ve got to have this your life’s going to suck
continue sucking until you have this or you have to adopt this way this lifestyle or your life is going to suck
and not get better so there’s the common thing of distraction you know look over there not
over here okay nothing to see there hey look over there this is more important to look over there we’ve got
overshadowing i’ll just lumped a bunch of these together here we’ve got brown stoning operations honeypot operations
glamour dazzling seduction traps femme fatale
then there’s compromise compartmentalization passing the buck the illusion of
special access special treatment turn coats calling out
slash protecting this is like what masters and handlers will do they’ll say to one person oh so-and-so
could do this to you you know laying out the having like this knowledge of what this
person can do these certain threats and then what kind of protection they can offer
to counter this information they have are these potential threats so then there’s information and contact
rates for various purposes so there’s the levels of like dripping out information dripping out
contact incremental spaced over time then you’ve got a steady flow of
information steady flow of contact and then there’s like flooding so the same thing with
information and contact just tons of it all at once these different rates of
contact and information flow or use in different ways for certain things
appeal to one’s defenses when someone knows how they like to defend themselves or what they’re they
find worth defending then appealing to those there’s the hiding of temporary
alliances hiding of sleepers sleeper cells
deactivating reactivating activating networks and network nodes
there’s paid actors and provocateurs there’s enlisting personalities like
actors who primarily can only find their uh identity or an identity in relation to others you
know it’s common cliche of actors they don’t know who they are they can just kind of find themselves in the roles
they’re given not disclosing that actions are that one’s actions or programs have little to
do what’s said but they’re actually addressing and or as part of something else are different
so basically yeah pretending one way doing something engaging in one program
it doesn’t really have anything to do or little to do what they’re actually saying it is but it’s actually
addressing or is part of something else that they’re not disclosing there’s moles in infiltration playing both sides
double and triple agents controlled opposition capitalizing leveraging weaknesses using
weaknesses against fear appealing to emotion over critical thinking manipulating emotions
appealing to intellect appealing to in the adoption of certain lifestyles get
fraud and then this lumped together chaos creation discord discordianism confusion
disharmony there’s resignation this dog eat dog to get a head mentality
the appeal to survivalism lots of survival programming going on right now
using certain judgments for justifications and false justifications
oh well this is this way so it justifies this and this are false justifications
so there’s blackmail discrediting character assassination dismissal
dumbing down promotion of self self-censorship defaming
inciting harsh divisive derisive speech normally unbecoming basically pushing
people’s buttons to get them to say harsh divisive derisive speech they wouldn’t normally do there’s ignoring
making light of something veiled threats there’s the bait and switch
technique there’s limited hangouts a plant planting
mentioned there’s hierarchical groups there’s this term gang stalking there’s false flags
ostracizing blacklisting shadow banning con games cover-ups
green washing whitewashing accusing others of what one is doing
accusing another of what one’s actually doing there’s victim victimizer programming
victim shaming sexual misery programming common psychological term is stockholm
syndrome there’s narratives lots of different versions of this narratives custom tailored narratives
counter narratives perception management image management reputation management reality management
and of course narrative management there’s psyops psychological operations and other intel operations giving some
truth or giving partial truth there’s the mk ultra project uh in the 70s that
can be looked up people talk about project monarch and mass media there’s marketing tactics
ritual abuse shame blame and guilt we’ve got the extremes of nihilism
and eternalism there’s transference counter transference projection dynamics or at
least knowledge of these those are usually mentioned in context of therapy
there’s the technique of dumping twisting words i don’t know if i said blackmail yet or not rope-a-dope i just
recently had to look this one up i think this was in some old school hip-hop basically meaning pretend you’re dumb in
order to fool an opponent and then kind of have an attack then there’s contracts ransom
copycat tactics and gatekeeping okay so that ends the list for now here and so
how do we skillfully and wisely view and respond to those who deceive i think that’s the big question here we can all
obviously point out some or a lot of these tactics when we come across them
what’s the most skillful and wise way to view these i mean are we just gonna there’s a saying from the dhammapada ill
will can never overcome ill will only non-ill will can overcome ill will this is an eternal and ancient law so to stop
these cycles from continuing how are we gonna best view this and respond to this
can we find dignity in those who deceive and if we’re engaged in deceiving and deception and considering
changing our ways can we find the dignity there how can we best go about or how can those best go about tapering
down to eventually cease especially a lot of the unwholesome unskillful unwise
deception i’ve also tested the waters before by asking folks how do you deal
with fools and to see kind of their response when that question is asked do they take it as oh he thinks i’m a fool or does he
know i’m trying to fool him or it’s just kind of in general i mean they will a lot of people will kind of give a
reaction to that it’ll be like maybe somebody will say oh do you think i’m a fool or you think i’m fooling you i
haven’t got that response yet but however they answer it i think it’s helpful for maybe they do have some
wisdom on how to deal with fools too one thing i find is those engaging these types of activities if they had more joy
there would be less incentive to engage in these so when distortions and defilements and hindrances are at least
held at bay this joy this natural joy can arise alright so with that hope you all got
something out of that this is one that’s kind of close and dear to my heart i really feel that this
can be a benefit a bigger benefit in society just because there’s so much of this everywhere and knowing i think that
where it comes from a lot besides the the pleasure that psychopaths get with this not everybody’s a psychopath
obviously that engages in deception knowing that some people that’s what they do to protect themselves knowing
that people use this for revenge sometimes there’s a lot of pain out there and so in a way it’s
understandable but knowing that there’s other ways to deal with pain than getting revenge through deception
knowing that we can protect ourselves other ways protective practices like loving kindness actually are very
helpful the contemplation on death and there’s a post i’ve done on these protective meditations you can go into
reading how they were or you know what the reasoning is behind these uh actually it seems a little counterintuitive but then meditating on
our spiritual guides and teachers one of his is on the buddha meditation on the buddha as protection
gadovari says after you you’ve detailed all these it feels like the whole world is mired in deceptive tactics yeah you
know and that’s a good point because in a way it is really prevalent and at the same time this is selection bias or just
because i spent so much time in such detail and given so much energy to this
maybe it’s the perception that it’s actually more prevalent more often than it is just because of this selective
attention and stuff so not to you know write it off because of that but just keep that in mind too that
of course if you tune into a program that’s going to seem way more important at the time especially than a lot of
other things just because of all the time and energy and the support that goes into it too all right thanks again
guys for joining may we all come to know true joy in all of our hearts
Integrating Presence 
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