Thoughts And Questions On “The Mystery Of The Breath Nimitta” Or, The Case Of The Missing Simile By Ajahn Sona

While I have still maintained my moratorium on writing and talking solo about jhāna and nimitta, from time to time I do speak with others and discuss others’ writings on the topic, as I do here with “The Mystery of the Breath Nimitta: Or, The Case of the Missing Simile — An Essay on Aspects of the Practice of Breath Meditation” by Ajahn Sona. My questions and comments here are cursory, as I’ve only read the Ānāpāna section and some samatha portions of the Visuddhimagga, but not the Vimuttimagga or the Paṭisambhidāmagga—the two texts Ajahn Sona sides with.

I appreciate the Ajahn’s approach, time, and effort in scouring these three seminal texts on meditation for a topic relevant to a practice I’ve been engaging in almost exclusively for the past year or two of my two hour daily formal sitting practice since May 2012. Yet, I have not had much light nor an image-based nimitta arise and remain, which is precisely why my comments should be taken with a grain of salt. Everything ultimately needs to be verified through wise and discerning, clear, direct knowing and seeing for oneself. (I may or may not revisit and revise this post after reading the aforementioned texts and/or having more direct experience in practice.)

The sole intent here is to help clear as many distortions and blockages as possible. However, the danger in doing so is that it could create new ones. The question then arises: why is jhana and (associated) nimitta(s) not more clear and straightforward? If I had to guess, I’d say the stakes are high—and when the stakes are high, it tends to attract high-stakes players.

Like Ajahn Sona and many others, I have often wondered why much of the commentarial material is not mentioned directly in the suttas. Or, in other words, how there can be so many differing understandings and explanations of the suttas in the commentaries, and among teachers and scholars? Again, if I had to respond, I’d note that we don’t even have full English translations of all the commentaries and sub-commentaries, so the conversation is already limited. Then, how accurate are the sutta translations we do have? And how much subtext, context, and subtle nuance are we still missing—nuances that seem to continue to be uncovered by dedicated practitioners and scholars?

Moreover, since the Buddhadhamma is timeless and universally applicable, the more subtle, fragile, exacting, verbose, technical, and intricate the instructions become, the greater the chance of being impacted by the uncertain, unreliable, changeable nature of experiences so in that light, it makes sense why the Buddha expounded the suttas in such a way.

This blog post won’t make much sense without having read Ajahn Sona’s article. With that in mind—and setting aside the minor matter of breath location, which I’ve addressed previously in Initiating Mindfulness to the Fore as the Foremost Meditation Instruction, and return to later in this post—I might be so bold as to summarize Ajahn Sona’s thesis as follows: According to the Visuddhimagga, during ānāpānasati practice (mindfulness of breathing), the images that arise when the mind is sufficiently concentrated, calm, and unified are not meant to be taken literally, but are metaphorical in nature and should be discarded.

However, a key passage from the Visuddhimagga complicates this interpretation:

“The difference between the earlier learning sign and the counterpart sign is this. In the learning sign any fault in the kasina is apparent. But the counterpart sign appears as if breaking out from the learning sign, and a hundred times, a thousand times, more purified, like a looking-glass disk drawn from its case, like a mother-of-pearl dish well washed, like the moon’s disk coming out from behind a cloud, like cranes against a thunder cloud. But it has neither color nor shape; for if it had, it would be cognizable by the eye, gross, susceptible of comprehension and stamped with the three characteristics. But it is not like that. For it is born only of perception in one who has obtained concentration, being a mere mode of appearance. But as soon as it arises the hindrances are quite suppressed, the defilements subside, and the mind becomes concentrated in access concentration.”
Visuddhimagga Ch. IV, §31

It is a strong claim to assert that these images are purely metaphorical and have been misappropriated from earlier texts, misunderstood as literal objects of concentration. Has this really escaped the notice of advanced yogis, despite their attainments, proficiency, and powers of concentration, until now?

Moreover, in light of the above-quoted passage, I find it hard to understand Ajahn Sona’s interpretation of another Visuddhimagga section, namely Chapter VIII, §216, which he suggests reflects the compilers’ discomfort with “diversity of perception.” Here’s the passage:

“In fact this resembles an occasion when a number of bhikkhus are sitting together reciting a suttanta. When a bhikkhu asks, ‘What does this sutta appear like to you?’ one says, ‘It appears to me like a great mountain torrent,’ another ‘To me it is like a line of forest trees,’ another ‘To me it is like a spreading fruit tree giving cool shade.’ For the one sutta appears to them differently because of the difference in their perception. Similarly this single meditation subject appears differently because of difference in perception. It is born of perception, its source is perception, it is produced by perception. Therefore it should be understood that when it appears differently it is because of difference in perception.”
Visuddhimagga Ch. VIII, §216

Ajahn Sona also claims the perceptions recommended in the Vimuttimagga and Visuddhimagga for mindfulness of breathing are “diametrically opposed.” He cites the following from the Vimuttimagga:

“To the yogin who attends to the incoming breath with mind that is cleansed of the nine lesser defilements, the image arises with a pleasant feeling similar to that which is produced in the action of spinning cotton or silk cotton. Also, it is likened to the pleasant feeling produced by a breeze. Thus in breathing in and out, air touches the nose or the lip and causes the setting-up of air perception mindfulness. This does not depend on colour or form. This is called the image. If the yogin develops the image and increases it at the nose-tip, between the eyebrows, on the forehead or establishes it in several places, he feels as if his head were filled with air. Through increasing in this way his whole body is charged with bliss. This is called perfection.

And again, there is a yogin: he sees several images from the beginning. He sees various forms such as smoke, mist, dust, sand of gold, or he experiences something similar to the pricking of a needle or to an ant’s bite. If his mind does not become clear regarding these different images, he will be confused. Thus he fulfills overturning and does not gain the perception of respiration. If his mind becomes clear, the yogin does not experience confusion. He attends to respiration and he does not cause the arising of other perceptions. Meditating thus he is able to end confusion and acquire the subtle image. And he attends to respiration with mind that is free. That image is free. Because that image is free, desire arises. Desire being free, that yogin attends respiration with equipoise. Equipoise, desire and joy being free, he attends to respiration, and his mind is not disturbed. If his mind is not disturbed, he will destroy the hindrances, and arouse the meditation (jhāna) factors. Thus this yogin will reach the calm and sublime fourth meditation, jhāna. This is as was fully taught above.”
Vimuttimagga, Chapter 5: Mindfulness of Breathing, translated by N.R.M. Ehara, Soma Thera, and Kheminda Thera (Kandy: Buddhist Publication Society, 1961), pp. 145–147

To me, this doesn’t necessarily conflict with the Visuddhimagga’s progression of parikamma-nimitta (preliminary sign), uggaha-nimitta (acquired sign), and paṭibhāga-nimitta (counterpart sign). Could this simply represent an alternate approach, another angle, and/or variation in description?

When Ajahn Sona writes, “The sentence ‘this does not depend on colour or form’ makes it quite clear that the meditator should not expect the sign of respiration mindfulness as a visual image, since it is not possible to conceive of a visual perception lacking both colour and form. What may be inferred from the sentence is that the sign is a tactile percept,” I would point out that not depending on color or form doesn’t mean that there can’t be color or form.

Reading and reflecting on the essay raised several key questions:

  • Why do a relatively small but consistent range of nimitta images arise for many meditators once the breath is sufficiently concentrated on knowing the breath at the Ānāpāna spot?
  • Is it wise to write off these types of nimitta images without firsthand investigation — working with such nimitta(s) to see what they are capable of and how this compares to other approaches of meditation which cultivate (deep) samadhi?
  • Is a monastic allowed to declare to laypeople that they experience a nimitta (given that proclaiming attainment of jhāna is against the Vinaya)? Can nimitta be shared since it may occur in access concentration rather than absorption? What are the implications of sharing, or not sharing this?
  • If light or visual nimittas are required for jhāna, they can’t be dismissed. But if they’re not, then waiting for them might not be the best use of practice time. How does one discern this? Either way this is a monumental thing for concentration and Ānāpānasati practice and begs to question why there is such a lack of consensus  

Regarding the question of location and breath contact, Ajahn Sona interprets this line from the Visuddhimagga: “A short-nosed man however, feels it on his upper lip,” as support for his point that “one can only feel the exhalation of warm air out the nostril onto the upper lip.” But is this necessarily so? Might a short-nosed man feel the breath on the upper lip during the in-breath? Or how about feeling sensations there when holding the breath? Must sensations on the upper lip always arise strictly from air movement? Could the Visuddhimagga simply be noting that when such a man does feel the breath, it is localized there, without specifying mechanism?

While this post touches a lot on specific points and details, in the end, this isn’t about nitpicking right vs. wrong—it’s about discovering what is truly helpful in the long run. It would be ideal if there were greater consensus and clear comprehension across the board. But at the very least, we all seem to agree on the jhānic factors and the suppression of the five hindrances.

No matter the degree of details and generalities, it appears the work now is about carefully weeding out distortions and exploring what actually works—and how clear, collected, deep, wide, profound, useful and helpful can it get


Related posts:

https://integratingpresence.com/2020/09/06/dharma-questions-the-jhanas/
https://integratingpresence.com/2020/09/06/dharma-questions-the-jhanas/
https://integratingpresence.com/2020/09/06/dharma-questions-the-jhanas/

Current Practice Share | “Meditation Q & A With Wendy Nash” #32


In this thirty-second installment of the ongoing live series with Wendy Nash inquiring into meditation practice on and off the cushion we plan to share our current (meditation) practices. Stuff like what they are, for how long we’ve been doing them, how they are going, why we are doing them, etc. asking each other (specific) questions about our practices.

Wendy brings up lack and worthiness and explore how types of conceit play into this. There is talk of ambiguous loss and how reflecting regularly on loss can help. I mention samatha practice and Wendy mentions Rob Burbea in light of jhana. Wendy shares that acknowledging ease from others is at the heart of her metta practice. And actually during the show it was likely a sewer pumping truck instead of a trash truck. Of course we welcome questions about meditation practice before, during and after the Q & As


*There’s naturally an ongoing open call for meditation (related) questions for the (roughly) monthly “Meditation Q & A” either by the various social media means listed; integratingpresence[at]protonmail.com or just showing to type/ask live.*



Background

Regular, current and past visitors to Integrating Presence may recall the monthly series “Ask Us Anything” I did with Denny K Miu from August 2020 until January 2022 — partially including and continuing on with Lydia Grace as co-host for awhile until March 2022.

For a few months thereafter I did various Insight Timer live events exploring potential new directions and/or a continuation of the Ask Us Anything format while weaving in other related teachings to these events.

Then, after chats with meditation coach Wendy Nash, it became clear to start a new collaboration similar to “Ask Us Anything” simply and clearly called “Meditation Q & A” especially due to the original intent of the Ask Us Anything’s being “discussions about meditation and related topics.”



Past chats with Wendy:



Audio: Current Practice Share | “Meditation Q & A With Wendy Nash” #32

Or listen via Insight Timer (app or website)


Unedited transcript via YouTube:

presence and inner skilled and today joined by Wendy Nash again for our 30

second meditation Q&A Wendy what’s going on 30 second Q&A We’ve got 30 seconds

Stop there Your time is up So I think we’ve got our 30 minute Q&A today And you’re on retreat Josh So

that’s that’s really true I’m here on Gabby Gabby country in Queensland in Kabula And Josh you are not in

Queensland You’re not in Australia Whereabouts are you in the United

Kingdom And I’ve kind of given up on correcting people about on one retreat because it is more or less a retreat So

it’s at a Thai forest tradition in in in the lineage of Ajan Cha Monastery

outside of London at Amraati And I’m actually not at the monastery grounds right now outside but I’m living

probably amongst over 20 beus uh there’s usually more here and I don’t know how many um

female monastics nuns maybe 10 and seminaras and people called anagarakas

and anagarakas which are they’re the testing before they get to nost all all

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“Awakened Beings” Chapter 7 From Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life

This is the seventh chapter “Supreme Peace: Nibbāna” from the book:

Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life
by Bhikkhu P. A. Payutto (Somdet Phra Buddhaghosacariya)

Published by Buddhadhamma Foundation
Copyright © Buddhadhamma Foundation 2021
Translated by Robin Philip Moore

Editor: Bhikkhu Kovilo, typesetting: Bhikkhu Gambhīro

Download this e-book in PDF, EPUB and MOBI formats at the following address: https://buddhadhamma.github.io

This is a gift not for sale / to be sold. I just read it and claim zero copyright. Please support https://www.buddhadhammafoundation.com


Audio: “Awakened Beings” Chapter 7 From Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life

Depth, Integration, and Navigating Spiritual Terrain: In Conversation With Tina Rasmussen

Before I toss this over to AI to summarize / describe our conversation I want to take back that I said Tina “completed the grueling Samatha phase” which of course is anything but grueling. In fact, it is actually beautiful in the beginning, beautiful in the middle and beautiful in the end. I was reaching for, and came up short for something to describe the high level of innercraft often required to complete such an extensive meditative training that includes attaining the four form jhanas and four formless jhanas under strict qualifying criteria for long durations and doing so for the 40 traditional meditation objects from the Visuddhimagga (to the extent of jhana they allow for) plus jhanic mastery which involves attainment at will, prolonging the state, emerging at will, reviewing the jhāna accurately, and being able to shift between jhānas fluidly

There’s also quite a surprisingly refreshing emphasis towards the end on teacher and community scandal, solutions, ethics, prevention, safeguards, and accountability

OK, Ai now takes the reins:

Tina Rasmussen is a meditation teacher and author with deep experience in both the Theravāda and Dzogchen traditions. Ordained as a Buddhist nun by Pa Auk Sayadaw, she emphasizes practical and accessible pathways to deep states of meditative absorption (jhana) and awakening.


🧘‍♀️ Topics Discussed:

  • Background and Early Path:
    Tina shares her transition from spiritual seeking to formal Buddhist practice, including her early influences and ordination in Burma.
  • The Jhana Journey:
    A deep dive into Tina’s jhana training under Pa Auk Sayadaw, what distinguishes her approach, and how she supports modern practitioners engaging with these deep states.
  • Theravāda and Dzogchen:
    Exploration of integrating two seemingly distinct traditions: the focused absorptions of Theravāda and the open awareness of Dzogchen. Tina speaks on how these methods can complement rather than contradict.
  • Dealing with Subtle Attachments:
    Insight into how even refined meditative experiences can lead to subtle clinging—and how awareness practices help unwind them.
  • How to Choose Practices Wisely:
    Practical advice on selecting practices based on one’s temperament and developmental stage on the path.
  • Meditation and Trauma Sensitivity:
    Tina speaks on navigating deep meditation as a trauma survivor or working with students with trauma, and the role of embodiment.
  • Subtle Energies and the Body:
    Observations about somatic intelligence, subtle energy movements, and their role in meditative development.
  • Non-Linear Awakening:
    Tina describes the nuanced, non-hierarchical nature of awakening, and how deep states don’t necessarily equate to realization.
  • Common Misconceptions:
    Tina challenges assumptions about jhana as escapism, or Dzogchen as bypassing, and clarifies their roles in deep insight and transformation.
  • Mentorship and Teaching Style:
    How Tina works with students, what she emphasizes in transmission, and how she remains grounded and accessible.

🔗 Resources & Mentions:


Audio: Depth, Integration, and Navigating Spiritual Terrain: In Conversation With Tina Rasmussen

Or listen via Insight Timer (app or website)


Unedited transcript via YouTube:

wholeness Welcome This is Josh Tippold Integrating Presence and today it’s my

uh honor um privilege and pleasure to have Tina Rasmusen join me Tina how’s it

going today I’m doing well Josh Yeah good to be with you Well thanks so much

for joining Probably most everybody listening to this will already be familiar with Tina but just sticking to

my format here Who is Tina Rasmus and and what kind of work does she do

I love the way you phrase that question Well I could give you know the the ultimate answer Who is Tina Rasmosson

Which is the same answer for everybody which is I could say the ground of being or a

manifestation of the ground of being you know sort of at the most ultimate level

Um at the human level uh I’m a dharma teacher and I feel really grateful to to

have been a dharma teacher for almost 20 years now And um what kind of work do I

do Well I really my my ultimate um calling is to help people awaken to

their deeper nature to know what they are beyond the body and the personality

of wealth at the same time honoring the human part you know I really um big part

of my teaching has been in my own practice really it comes I teach really my own practice that’s you know so

there’s a lot of um comfort and integration in that you know and it just so happens that there are some other

people who resonate with that you know so it’s a win for all of us but um yeah

I I really feel that our our era is the time when with the tools of psychology

and trauma therapy and a lot of the embodiment methodologies that we have really just come into recently combined

with the ancient ones that were have been so effective to live as a regular

human from our deeper nature that is uh you know ultimately a mystery but that

we can know through direct experience So that’s my calling is to help people

um come to know that and and live from that more and more Well beautiful Uh

obviously that’s so needed and we’re anybody probably listening to this is is totally on board with that too I just to

be a little light-hearted here when people ask you like at the grocery store you know who are you How you doing You

probably usually don’t say um in manifestation of the ground of being though right Yeah

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Compassion In Action | “Meditation Q & A With Wendy Nash” #31


In this thirty-first installment of the ongoing live series with Wendy Nash inquiring into meditation practice on and off the cushion we went into formal compassion practice and how it can help with demonstrating compassion in daily life

Ai basically summarizes thus:

This episode Compassion in Action explores how mindfulness fosters a deeper, more engaged form of compassion. We discuss the difference between passive empathy and taking meaningful action, sharing practical insights on integrating compassion into daily life while maintaining balance and self-care. The discussion also highlights societal barriers to compassion and strategies for overcoming them, offering listeners valuable perspectives on making kindness an intentional, sustainable practice.

Wendy also introduces “confelicity” as another translation for Muditā (Pāli and Sanskrit: मुदिता) the dharmic concept of joy, particularly an especially sympathetic or vicarious joy—the pleasure that comes from delighting in other people’s well-being

confelicity

noun
  1. Pleasure in another’s happiness.

Related:


*There’s naturally an ongoing open call for meditation (related) questions for the (roughly) monthly “Meditation Q & A” either by the various social media means listed; integratingpresence[at]protonmail.com or just showing to type/ask live.*



Background

Regular, current and past visitors to Integrating Presence may recall the monthly series “Ask Us Anything” I did with Denny K Miu from August 2020 until January 2022 — partially including and continuing on with Lydia Grace as co-host for awhile until March 2022.

For a few months thereafter I did various Insight Timer live events exploring potential new directions and/or a continuation of the Ask Us Anything format while weaving in other related teachings to these events.

Then, after chats with meditation coach Wendy Nash, it became clear to start a new collaboration similar to “Ask Us Anything” simply and clearly called “Meditation Q & A” especially due to the original intent of the Ask Us Anything’s being “discussions about meditation and related topics.”



Past chats with Wendy:



Audio: Compassion In Action | “Meditation Q & A With Wendy Nash” #31

Or listen via Insight Timer (app or website)


Unedited transcript via https://restream.io/tools/transcribe-audio-to-text:

This is Josh. And today, I’m joined with Wendy Nash again for our thirty first meditation q and a called Compassion in Action. Wendy, what’s going on?

Well, I’m here on Gubbi Gubbi Country in Queensland. It’s wet and tropical. It’s the March, so it’s the end of summer for us and coming into autumn. So it’s yeah. We noticed the the rain.

We’ve had monsoons. So that’s how we are. Oh, wow. So there you go. Well, we had a cyclone between the last time I saw you and today.

So a monsoon’s nothing. Wow. That’s, it’s it’s wild here in Denmark. The weather is fairly mild and stable, you know, and we’re getting out of winter and into spring here. So, yeah, it’s, yeah, not it’s either usually overcast or sunny and temperature stable.

But alright. Today, I have in this thirty first installment of the ongoing series with Wendy Nash inquiring into meditation practice on and off the cushion, we plan to go into formal compassion practice and how it can help with demonstrating compassion in daily life. So I think, where ought we start with this? Oh, one of the things I think might be helpful is what do we mean by compassion to begin with? I know there’s some, kind of disagreement on what this even is.

I think most of us know intuitively kind of what it is, but I wonder if help giving language and and wording to it, might help, not just in our conversation here, but in in the general sense too of how this how we encountered this in our daily lives or not. Compassion. That’s a good one. So, you know, they talk about compassion. So they talk about compassion as sort of with desire, with passion kind of thing.

But, you know, that’s a Catholic, that’s a Christian in the Christian sense. Compassion in the Buddhist sense is quite different. You would know more than me, but my understanding is that compassion is that you don’t want other people to suffer, actually. And and dukkha, you know, I don’t mean by suffer as in. I mean, suffer as in to experience Samsara for longer than you need to.

You know, you you need to compassion in action is the topic today. And it is basically compassion is action in is essentially that. That’s what I’ve that’s my take on it. I don’t know. What do you reckon?

That’s a that’s a beautiful way to to put it and, kind of one of the definitions I’ve heard or ways to to perceive it is, you know, it is one of the Brahmavaharas, like what he was saying, and we’re not talking about kind of to, yeah, with passion. You know, that’s almost, kind of the opposite in in in a sense. It’s it’s I think it’s when when the heart is free from hindrances and, like, things that are blocking it, let’s just say, when the heart meets suffering such as stress. Let’s just say stress. When when the heart meets stress, its its natural response is compassion.

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“Supreme Peace: Nibbāna” Chapter 6 From Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life

This is the sixth chapter “Supreme Peace: Nibbāna” from the book:

Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life
by Bhikkhu P. A. Payutto (Somdet Phra Buddhaghosacariya)

Published by Buddhadhamma Foundation
Copyright © Buddhadhamma Foundation 2021
Translated by Robin Philip Moore

Editor: Bhikkhu Kovilo, typesetting: Bhikkhu Gambhīro

Download this e-book in PDF, EPUB and MOBI formats at the following address: https://buddhadhamma.github.io

This is a gift not for sale / to be sold. I just read it and claim zero copyright. Please support https://www.buddhadhammafoundation.com


Audio: “Supreme Peace: Nibbāna” Chapter 6 From Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life

The Eight Vicissitudes Or Worldly Winds | “Meditation Q & A With Wendy Nash” #30



In this thirtieth installment of the ongoing live series with Wendy Nash inquiring into meditation practice on and off the cushion we explore the Eight Vicissitudes or Worldly Winds. I sometimes consider these as somewhat a psychology class crash course. While these don’t often seem to have a direct connection with formal meditation practices they are so interwoven into nearly every aspect of our lives in this world that their residues can easily carry over onto the cushion while the benefits from our practice naturally allow us to more skillfully navigate, meet and respond to gain and loss, pleasure and pain, praise and blame, fame and disrepute


vicissitude /vĭ-sĭs′ĭ-too͞d″, -tyoo͞d″/

noun

  1. A change or variation.”an economy vulnerable to the vicissitudes of the oil market.”
  2. A usually unforeseen change in circumstance or experience that affects one’s life, especially in a trying way: synonymdifficulty.”the vicissitudes of childhood.”Similar: difficulty
  3. The quality of being changeable; mutability.”the vicissitude of fortune.”

In pairs, along with some alternate translations, the Worldly Vicissitudes:

  1. Gain & Loss
  • Profit & Deficit
  • Acquisition & Deprivation
  • Wealth & Poverty

2. Pleasure & Pain

  • Happiness & Suffering
  • Joy & Misery
  • Delight & Discomfort

3. Praise & Blame

  • Approval & Disapproval
  • Compliments & Criticism

4. Fame & Disrepute

  • Honor & Dishonor
  • Recognition & Obscurity
  • Renown & Defamation
  • Fame & Infamy / Ill Repute

*There’s naturally an ongoing open call for meditation (related) questions for the (roughly) monthly “Meditation Q & A” either by the various social media means listed; integratingpresence[at]protonmail.com or just showing to type/ask live.*



Background

Regular, current and past visitors to Integrating Presence may recall the monthly series “Ask Us Anything” I did with Denny K Miu from August 2020 until January 2022 — partially including and continuing on with Lydia Grace as co-host for awhile until March 2022.

For a few months thereafter I did various Insight Timer live events exploring potential new directions and/or a continuation of the Ask Us Anything format while weaving in other related teachings to these events.

Then, after chats with meditation coach Wendy Nash, it became clear to start a new collaboration similar to “Ask Us Anything” simply and clearly called “Meditation Q & A” especially due to the original intent of the Ask Us Anything’s being “discussions about meditation and related topics.”



Past chats with Wendy:



Audio: The Eight Vicissitudes Or Worldly Winds | “Meditation Q & A With Wendy Nash” #30

Or listen via Insight Timer (app or website)


Unedited transcript via YouTube:

hey Hess Wendy what’s going on hello yeah running late running late no there

was a Miss communication about the time start sometimes when I send a reminder then it

just sends even more confusion so you probably would have been here either way it’s just a couple minutes so no big

deal I’m very grateful to have you here and um yeah today’s today’s title or

well so yeah I guess we’ll just jump into it huh let’s go okay this is called

um this is our 30th one that we’re doing today and it’s called the eight

vicissitudes or worldly winds and I know that’s a big word but I’ll just go ahead and read the little description I have

here in this 30th installment of the ongoing live series with Wendy Nash inquiring into meditation practice on

and off the cushion we plan to focus on the eight vicissitudes of worldly winds I sometimes consider these as somewhat a

psychology crash course while these don’t often seem to have a direct connection with formal meditation

practices they are so interwoven into nearly every aspect of our lives in this world that their re residues can easily

carry over onto the cushion while the benefits from our practice naturally allow us to more skillfully navigate

meet and respond to gain and loss Pleasure and Pain praise and blame Fame

and disrepute okay so I thought maybe we could mention men these kind of in

general um first uh or maybe real briefly what to say about them all then

just dive into them and then maybe at the end just then once we have dived into them what can we say about them in

general overall too so and if you’ll give me just one moment I forgot to turn on the lights here so I’m gon to make

Wendy’s screen maybe big when she talks no you’ve gone the other way

around I know what happened I don’t know I should get this flame Fame and

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“The Law Of Kamma” Chapter 5 From Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life

This is the fifth chapter “The Law Of Kamma” from the book:

Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life
by Bhikkhu P. A. Payutto (Somdet Phra Buddhaghosacariya)

Published by Buddhadhamma Foundation
Copyright © Buddhadhamma Foundation 2021
Translated by Robin Philip Moore

Editor: Bhikkhu Kovilo, typesetting: Bhikkhu Gambhīro

Download this e-book in PDF, EPUB and MOBI formats at the following address: https://buddhadhamma.github.io

This is a gift not for sale / to be sold. I just read it and claim zero copyright. Please support https://www.buddhadhammafoundation.com


Audio: “The Law Of Kamma” Chapter 5 From Buddhadhamma: The Laws Of Nature And Their Benefits To Life

Chanting Practice Notes

The description for this Feb 11, 2025 live event:

I’ll go into detail of lots of stuff from the notes of noticing and observations I’ve had around the direct experience of (group) chanting practice which doesn’t come easily and naturally to me and yet can be quite a profound practice at times

AI basically summarized my talk thus:

Podcast Episode: Exploring the Depths of Chanting Practice

Episode Summary:

In this episode I dive into some reflections and experiences of chanting practice. From participating in group chanting sessions during retreats to understanding the nuances of sound, resonance, and mindfulness, this episode sheds light on how chanting influences our awareness, emotions, and energy.

Topics Covered:

Personal Experience with Chanting: Daily group chanting practice during a winter retreat and exposure to different traditions.

Authenticity in Chanting: Overcoming initial reluctance and embracing the practice with confidence.

Sound and Space Awareness: How acoustics, echoes, and resonance affect the chanting experience.

Listening and Harmony: Balancing one’s own voice with the group while maintaining mindfulness.

Breath and Body Awareness: Observing the connection between breath, vibration, and physical sensations.

Emotional and Psychological Aspects: How chanting can evoke deep emotions, from joy to humility.

Judgments and Preferences: Observing likes, dislikes, and personal biases during chanting sessions.

Group Dynamics: The role of personality types, confidence, and collective energy in chanting.

Language and Meaning: The impact of chanting in different languages, including Korean, Pali, and English.

Chanting as an Energetic Practice: How chanting balances and shares energy among participants.

Key Takeaways:

• Chanting is not just about reciting words; it’s an embodied experience involving sound, space, and awareness.

• The emotional impact of chanting can range from profound joy to deep humility.

• The language of chanting can influence how we engage with it, freeing us from preconceptions when we don’t understand the words.

• Group chanting can create a sense of unity, harmony, and energetic exchange.

• Ultimately, chanting is a practice that transcends thought—it’s about being present with the sound, breath, and collective experience.

• Have you ever practiced chanting? What was your experience like?

• Have you tried solo vs. group chanting? How did they compare?

• Do you have a favorite chant or tradition that resonates with you?

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This Theravada Thai Forrest Tradition chanting is more of what I was used to before Korea:


The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:

s so welcome everybody see finally got

some sun here in Scandinavia area so my

placement here is a little bit off so

apologize in advance if the Sun is a

little bit distracting

visually um so yeah I want to hear

people’s comments about chanting

practice chime in with whatever you have

to say I going give a disclaimer here at

first probably give a lot of just kind

of points and I didn’t really organize

this much I’ve got my not notes from

practice I just want to make a lot of

points so at the end of the day this

might seem all too complex or something

just kind of let all that go and do your

chanting practice this doesn’t involve

thinking this is uh some noticings of

things I could point to or talk about

after the practice um so just a little

background here I did chanting at least

one time a day in a group for a month of

col which is a winter retreat in um Ken

and tradition in Buddha Hall and uh

maybe twice a day sometimes I would do

the morning A lot of times for one month

of retreat and then I went back and I

served uh The Retreat and then I was

still doing chanting once a day there so

like two months every day um at least

one chanting

session for two months so and then

before that I’ve been at monasteries in

terab tradition which is quite different

it’s English chanting and poly chanting

um so significant differences there’s

some

similarities um the thing when I first

started doing this or was there it was a

big question about authenticity you

know so how do I do this and feel

authentic and there’s a huge reluctance

to not want to do this to feel weird um

about

it and when I list all these how many of

these can be applied at the same time uh

applied together at the same time these

points are going to make so the first

thing you do uh or notice is when you go

into the space you’re get a chant so I

mean this is common for all of us right

we go into a space and we immediately

notice things about the space whether we

don’t like it whether we like it we love

it what do we want to change um how can

we get it for ourselves you know this

type of thing or are confused about

where we’re at what we’re doing

um so the other thing to notice here is

the inside and outside of the space

we’re doing and this goes into the body

as well be talking quite a bit about the

body so just the physical space we’re in

some just standard sound qualities to

mention are Echo right echo in the space

these are things more like a sound

engineer would know the quality of the

sound is is it acoustically rich Place

does it sound really well would you want

to have a concert in there or is it just

kind of like an afterthought most

chanting halls I think are designed for

kind of rich full

deep wide sound in the volume so these

are just kind of things that just happen

in the background right okay so when

we’re actually practicing one of the

biggest things uh at least I was doing

is hearing others listening to others

chant and my own voice so a lot of times

I couldn’t hear my own voice voice and

um some say you should hear your own

voice well then you know it starts

getting into maybe a loudness War not

that’s not the right terminology but how

can I still raise my voice to hear my

own voice when I’m chanting and at the

same time hear others and not stick out

too much or not be too quiet and soft

and of course this goes

into um things like self-confidence of

you know do I feel confident enough to

raise my voice and to chant you know

and this notion of harmony with others

being in harmony with others this is a

common thing for singing obviously and

how am I when I’m toned deaf you know

how do I do this when I’m tone deaf

really the resonance the resonance

effect

um how it kind of feels with the

vibration um within the body espe

especially and then in the space and

with others around me so this goes into

vibration so even though I couldn’t hear

my voice a lot of times I could feel the

vibratory qualities of the voice

especially in the voice

box and of course the breath while we’re

chanting and how is the breath while

we’re chanting you know do we even

notice that um and then what we’re

paying attention to as well uh there’s

only so much Capac it in my attention

and awareness that what am I going to

put an emphasis in on what I’m paying

attention to sometimes I would pay

almost exclusive attention to the breath

while I’m chanting and how it feels in

the air coming in and out with the words

and of course the silences as we know in

music too um two people can play kind of

the same piece of music but what really

makes the difference is their pauses and

the silences between the

notes okay

and there was a time when it was almost

sounded like an organ I don’t know if

you guys have been like in a church or

something where you hear an organ and it

just has a certain quality and at times

everybody was synced up where it almost

sounded like someone was playing an

organ it was it was really beautiful and

a little bizarre at the same time of

course that was my perception but then

we have these organs inside so with

certain kind of awareness maybe some of

us can know can feel a slight vibration

and a

resonance uh within the organs in the

body when we are really embodied in

chanting in a certain way and deep and

paying attention to maybe kind of

tickles the

organs

um so another thing is personality types

it’s interesting who we’re sitting next

to enchanting and maybe how we know them

outside of chanting and how maybe

there’s an alpha type or a beta type

and kind of the psychology and how this

might play into chanting too I

noticed of course we get into our likes

and dislikes right I like this chant I

don’t like this chant I like the way I’m

singing or chanting this I don’t like

the way I’m chanting this this guy next

to me he sounds weird I don’t like that

this guy over here oh he sounds amazing

wish I could be like him so this is a

common thing throughout all our our

lives and of course goes into the

judgments like I’ve just said the ideas

we have you know oh I wish we could you

know chant a little bit quicker or chant

a little bit slower um you know going

into what the text says and thinking

about that you know in one sense it’s

helpful to really be mindful and aware

and kind of know the meaning of the

chanting beforehand because I found

myself kind of getting off by

contemplating what the meaning of the

words were if I agreed with the words

and then other times um

just completely put that in the

background uh almost so much it was

completely mindless and it was just like

on automatic and I don’t I think that’s

kind of The Other Extreme where that’s

not helpful either so how much do we

really embody and put meaning into what

we’re

chanting um of course the willingness to

do this some days kind of more willing

to chant and then there’s reluctance

other days like I just don’t want to do

this you know this was um

every day pretty much the same thing

every single day and even within this

container there’s differences so that’s

the great thing about these certain

formal practices and forms is there’s

not a lot of surprises in in one sense

kind of know what’s expected and can

keep practicing however within that

container we can know slight

variations and um slight

subtleties because there is potential

for slight variations and just in all

the different things that I’m saying you

know and none of this has to really even

be noticed either just this is kind of

the scope and some of more what’s

possible but maybe it’s not normally

noticed or um recognized of all the

different things that can go into this

of course uh our feelings come into play

I know the first time I chanted um at a

Center that was both terata and Mahayana

combined I I wept and I didn’t you know

just slightly and I it was kind of a a

mix of Joy it was mostly joy and then I

don’t know what it was it was just I

just just happened you know it was a

really beautiful thing um in some

respects and a lot of respects actually

humbleness I noticed quite a bit of

humbleness when we get into at least in

the Buddhist tradition and probably

Christian tradition too just kind of

feel humbled by um

well should I put this well in the

Mahayana there’s so much vastness and

profoundness and inspiration of going

beyond beyond beyond and this huge

greatness to Aspire to and in in a way

that’s very humbling at the same time

inspiring and helps with ask irations I

feel and just I think just reflection on

the Buddha is is humbling as well that

here’s a a fully self-awakened being uh

that’s something to Aspire to or just

full

Awakening the togetherness you know

um Concord and just noticing that

everybody’s together doing the same

thing on whatever level that may be uh

certain times there was chills you know

like up the

spine and yeah how much are we

understanding all this and how okay are

we with not being able to understand and

not needing to understand and how how

that can be okay

too um you know what kind of uniqueness

is here what’s really unique about this

practice and what’s kind of commonplace

so these are things to notice too of

course the

energies um the energies in the room

some days are just

really palpable and people really get

into it and there’s a lot of energy

flowing and other days it’s kind of like

pulling teeth and stiff and and uh just

kind of

flat sometimes it can be draining and

sometimes it can be energizing not

really draining as much the differences

in in just noting noticing again those

differences um dayto day in practice I

also wanted to say um that I haven’t

done solo chanting practice so I would

love to hear from anybody that has done

that and what their experiences with

that or um and honestly I don’t really

have a huge inclination to do solo

chanting practice I was doing um maybe a

couple years ago every once in a while

justas this is kind of said three

times before a lot of um things and in

certain terab traditions

and then back to the energy balancing um

it it’s it’s the chanting can be an

energetic practice where we’re balancing

energy sharing uh what needs to be

shared kind of knowing what energy is

needed uh for everybody involved in the

space and providing that if we have that

to provide and also receiving the energy

that we need from the group and so

there’s kind of an maybe an equal

exchange and balance of the

energies I think the other um

interesting quality to mention here is

um the language so a lot of these chants

were in Korean I don’t know Korean you

know there was a translation in the back

of the book so I did get to read the

meaning and of course I raised um a

couple questions I had on on this and

that minor things to some of the manast

or a few of the monastics there so I was

clear about certain things um but it’s a

really interesting practice at least for

me to chant in an unknown language

because when I’m doing it in English I

kind of get caught up in the meaning or

I think I know the meaning and then I

think oh there’s nothing else to know

here or nothing else to realize and then

kind of

compresses the understanding and the

experience in a way but when I’m speak

chanting in a in a language that I don’t

know I don’t know what I’m really

chanting right so then I can’t focus on

what the words mean but I’m listening to

the sound and the experience of the

words and the Korean has a lot of vow

ending so it reminded me of like these

people that speak light language you

know just ra s so I I don’t do that but

I’m just mimicking what some other

people do and it’s this really

interesting experience of not uh at

least for me when I hear that I don’t

really understand it but it’s got the a

beauty in the way it’s

sounds and uh

yeah in a way it reminds me of like

reading complex scientific literature

and being able to read and pronounce a

lot of the words and know what kind of

the words mean individually but not

really knowing what it’s about because

it’s so high level that I could read a

bunch of technical jargon but I’m not

really understanding it right so it’s a

really uh kind of interesting experience

like this and this question of am I

doing it right am I actually pronouncing

the words right does anybody know I mean

how far off am I

um so like I said the pros of this are

not being hind hindered by focusing on

meeting um and there’s more attention to

the sound and the special qualities I’m

sorry spatial qualities involved in

singing so it it frees up a a lot of

things at least in my experience to

focus on things other than the actual

words themselves like the effects that

the language might have had

energetically and then other different

phenomena that I

mentioned so those are my notes on

chanting practice um and like I said

most of that reflection was the kind of

the Mahayana in the K and tradition that

I did the terada the poly language that

we were doing it’s it’s beautiful

language too and I know a little bit

more poly due to practice but a lot of

these have English chance as well and

noticing how English can be kind of

really stodgy

and and some of these other languages

like Korean they sound more feminine and

uh kind of smooth and more beautiful I

know the Thai language to me it sounds

like even though I don’t know of it

sounds so beautiful and pleasant and

poly of course has a mix of

softness femininity Beauty and at the

same time very deep profound and precise

ways of describing what it

describes so yeah I thank you all for

tuning in in listening to all these

little bitty minutia on chanting

practice and now you can just let all

this go and uh yeah just hopefully some

of that in the background might help

your own chanting practice or get you

interested in doing chanting or

exploring chanting in different ways so

may all your en chanting practices be

optimal for yourself and others

long-term benefit and

well-being bye