Podcast | The Noble Truth Of Dukkha: Buddhism And Beyond With Randi Green (Part 2)

“Now this, monks, is the Noble Truth of dukkhaBirth is dukkha, aging is dukkha, death is dukkha; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair are dukkha; association with the unbeloved is dukkha; separation from the loved is dukkha; not getting what is wanted is dukkha. In short, the five clinging-aggregates are dukkha.”

— SN 56.11

In part one Randi and I talked about various Buddhist related topics and in this part two we expand on dukkha which is often translated as:

  • suffering
  • stress
  • unsatisfactoriness
  • Also depicted as:
    • as a raging fire — SN 35.28
    • in terms of the senses:
      • “And what is the noble truth of dukkha? ‘The six internal sense media,’ should be the reply. Which six? The medium of the eye… the ear… the nose… the tongue… the body… the intellect. This is called the noble truth of dukkha.” — SN 56.14
    • should be known:
      • . . . The cause by which dukkha comes into play should be known. The diversity in dukkha should be known. The result of dukkha should be known. The cessation of dukkha should be known. The path of practice for the cessation of dukkha should be known.’ . . . — AN 6.63
  • chariot where the wheel base is unstable resulting in a bumpy, jolting and shaky ride
  • duk = negative / kha = no essence contrasted with sukha or happiness as su = positive / kha = no essence

Randi’s illustration of the Four Noble Truths in a cross pattern alluding to the programs of the cross. (To learn about such programs look into her material to learn more)

Our talk also touches on:

  • (My) various disclaimers and approaches
  • party poopers Buddhists with (over) emphasis on suffering
  • why addressing suffering is important
  • acknowledgement within (almost all) Buddhist schools on the Four Noble Truths
  • the Two Truths
  • Buddha as pragmatist, realist, humanist
  • expectations of being able to maintain longterm control over external conditions as setting the stage for dukkha
  • current day therapeutic parallels
  • narratives
  • past life influences
  • (deriving) meaning
  • the role intent plays
  • turning the fire of indignation into one of transformation
  • emotional pain turning into physical pain
  • healing
  • rebirth
  • wise/whole/right view
  • types of pain and frustration
  • cognitive therapy
  • expectations
  • wisdom
  • enslavement (during the time of the Buddha) and as a metaphor and throughout all levels of society
  • kamma, past actions and the overriding importance of how our thoughts, speech and actions right now matter most
  • cultural and time period differences
  • different approaches and levels of teachings for different classes of folks
  • how one views and works with the circumstances they find them in
  • equanimity
  • various ways of working with and applying compassion
  • repetitive pattering and repeats
  • kamma [12 types of kamma], actions, applying to existence and humans
  • leveraging dukkha for awakening
  • past lives:
    • Buddha recalling myriad past lives on night of awakening
    • benefits and dangers of past life recall and sharing
    • (consciousness) mechanics of collapsing timelines and fields during past life recall and work
    • Randi´s past life of being tortured to death as a Tibetan buddhist monk in 1959 by a Chinese solider; how techniques of compassion and voidness failed; the challenges and dangers of (sharing) this today so sharing only what’s relevant to the group
    • I ask if past lives before this could inform this one?
    • I allude to my past post Wisdom Snippets: The Murkiness, Blocks And Obstructions Of Past Life Discernment
    • how ought we access, recall, view, experience, and clear past lives
  • levels (or rings) of various teachers and the Buddha’s entourage and followers
  • exoteric/esoteric teachings and the Buddha limiting teachings to dukkha and the end of dukkha
  • my Last Words of the Buddha blog post
  • [Also check out Randi’s YouTube series My Take on Buddhism]
  • teachings foretold to die out
  • not turning all this into a religion
Buddhist Cosmology YouTube series

Also check out our other chat where we talk about Randi’s own material:

Text selection briefly alluded to but not explored:

Chapter XII – Examination of Suffering from The Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way — Nagarjuna’s MulamadhyamakakarikaTRANSLATION BY JAY L. GARFIELD

  1. Some say suffering is self-produced, Or produced from another or from both. Or that it arises without a cause.
    It is not the kind of thing to be produced.
  2. If suffering came from itself,
    Then it would not arise dependently.
    For those aggregates
    Arise in dependence on these aggregates.
  3. If those were different from these, Or if these were different from those, Suffering could arise from another. These would arise from those others.
  4. If suffering were caused by a person himself, Then who is that person—
    By whom suffering is caused—
    Who exists distinct from suffering?
  5. If suffering comes from another person, Then who is that person—
    When suffering is given by another— Who exists distinct from suffering?
  6. If another person causes suffering, Who is that other one
    Who bestowed that suffering, Distinct from suffering?
  7. When self-caused is not established, How could suffering be caused by another? Whoever caused the suffering of anotherMust have caused his own suffering.
  8. No suffering is self-caused.
    Nothing causes itself.
    If another is not self-made,
    How could suffering be caused by another?
  9. If suffering were caused by each, Suffering could be caused by both. Not caused by self or by other, How could suffering be uncaused?
  10. Not only does suffering not exist In any of the fourfold ways:
    No external entity exists
    In any of the fourfold ways.

Audio: The Noble Truth Of Dukkha: Buddhism And Beyond With Randi Green (Part 2)

The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:

hey this is Josh depold again from integrating presence back with Randy green for part two of our first series

which I may call trauma teaching and textural interpretations and I know at

the beginning we talked a little bit about duka and we said we’re going to talk more about it so here’s where we’re

we’re back here and we might say a few things we said in the beginning but if you haven’t listened to the first part definitely go back and do that kind of

lots of things along the lines of the titles and so I think a maybe a place to to

start with this is well first off what is Duca uh and why why is it important

um possibly another caveat here that it really is not designed to be taken out

of context with the other four noble truths so the first Noble Truth of the Buddha is the the Noble Truth of dukkha

and uh well what is duka and some of the most common ways that people can just

jump into it as is interpreted in English is suffering but you know we

think of suffering as really extreme like if somebody say oh yeah you’re you’re suffering or there’s you know but

people say no that’s I’m not suffering you know so this is uh I mean I might suffer a few times in my life but that

seems really extreme word so stress is another interpretation of duka and

unsatisfactoriness I is really a good one because who doesn’t experience

unsatisfactoriness from day to day um and you know the the Buddha said he taught two things the suffering and the

end of suffering are one thing even sometimes it said I just teach suffering in the end of suffering so what why is this important you know have this fully

enlightened being said and he knew all this stuff all these other things but he

would only teach suffering in the end of suffering which I’ll just go really briefly through the

other Noble Truth so the second Noble Truth is the the noble truth of the cause of suffering and then the third

Noble Truth is the um the the noble truth of the cessation or ending of

suffering and then the fourth Noble Truth is the path or the way out or the way towards the cessation of suffering

but today we’re going to drill down more on just the first one and I know a bunch of people say oh these Buddhists they’re

just such Party Poopers you know they’re always talking about suffering I mean come on give it a break so

um I I want to just talk about why this is important to begin with you know why are we spending time on this before we

jump in and I uh well first say welcome back Randy and then if you want to jump in here with why is

this important are any other approach you want to take immediately on this yeah yeah I’ll let you give the

background here so all right well that’s that’s um a lot of the different uh the

background well there’s a there’s a few more things I might say now um

uh the you know the Buddha he didn’t I mean this this is the kind of a a Core

teaching in Buddhism I would say and even if there’s other schools and sex that you know which we who knows we

might look at another text on um later on in this this podcast we

might not but for for the most part at least all the Buddhist schools at least acknowledge the four normal truths

whether they think that suffering ultimately exists or not but that’s another uh good distinction here so

we’ll be talking about the relative reality of this not the ultimate level of reality so there’s this notion of the

two truths which isn’t an original teaching it’s a later distinction from my understanding that we’re talking

about there’s a relative truth and an ultimate truth or a relative reality in an Ultimate Reality so of course we’re

not going to go into the Ultimate Reality of this we’ll probably just be addressing it mostly from a relative

reality right and also a very practical the Buddha was known as a pragmatist

right as well as a humanist that all these things were visible here and now you know in addition to being realized

um by each one for their own um you know realized by the um each wise

one for their own so it’s not like some theoretical thing you know we can look at this in our everyday lives it does

it’s not just like a scholarly exercise right that um there is unsatisfactorness

and stress in life and a lot of times I know from my own experience one of the ways it comes from is this false notion

I have that if I could just get all my external conditions lined up just right have everything the way I want it then

you know then things will go good now I’ll have total control over everything and just keep everything arranged and

then you know I’ll just be happy that way the thing is though that that is not a long term in my experience anyway

that’s not a long-term plan for suffering because eventually in the long term I will not be able to keep all the

external conditions the way I want them right something will come along and then

it will throw that off and then when I expect that it shouldn’t be like that well then I will get upset because

um because you know it’s not going the way I wanted it to externally and so then I can get upset and frustrated and

just feel like things are crappy it shouldn’t be like this so then I’m at that point then I’m laying overlaying an

additional layer of suffering on top of the pain that’s already there so there’s like maybe a

psychic pain that’s already there but then I’m making this is a teaching of the two arrows right the the human

Incarnation nobody experiences Being Human without some kind of pain but the

one that’s more avoidable instead of hitting ourselves with the second arrow is saying this this wisdom of well when

I say it shouldn’t be there it shouldn’t be like this um I I can’t I don’t want this to be

like that and so that’s just for me that’s an other layer that doesn’t need to be there because it’s adding

psychological pain on top of how painful it ready is so that’s that’s to jump in

there that’s very similar to when we’re talking psychology when we talk about all the therapy we’ll talk about we have

the incident of the the situation but how we interpret the way what we

derive from it the way we respond to it is all about the narrative we create around the situation as in in this is if

we and people say is it similar to the the glass half full or the half empty it

depends on the approach and I will say no that’s not it that’s kind of glossing it over even though you put lip gloss on

a pig it’s still a pig so so there are certain that we can’t whistle our way

around using a lot of animal analysis here we can’t whistle our way around the incident but we can we can begin to work

with the pain of it as in kind of yeah I fell in and I hit my knee that’s physical pain but you can also have the

emotional pain that that goes with why did you fail and and hit your knee if someone pushed you then you will have

the emotional pain of it because that was unfair why did that person push me and when we had then we can choose to go

into anger or we can choose to go into to resentment or we can choose to go into victimization and blaming ourselves

I’m a bad person for falling in here I should have never done that or if the other ones and other person pushed us

then it’s karma or it’s punishment or the gods are against me or I deserve this so that’s where the narrative comes

in as in exploring all of these Avenues not just locking into one but

psychologically and emotionally and and energetically go in and say okay that

might actually be the truth not the truth but the case because what is truth it might actually be the case yes I

might have done something in a previous lifetime that actually eludes or builds up to this moment where I have a

re-experience of something I have unfinished business with us or we could go from an enormous psychological

perspective looking into okay that other person what was he or she is it a

perpetrator is it a kind of a predator or is it incidentally something that

happened by accident so we can’t say if it’s done by by directly volat what you call it by um

intent with intent thank you intent to harm yes then we can be upset and feel

victimized okay why the [ __ ] you do that to me kind of and then we will have a different narrative than if we’re just

looking over and if we fall and we get pushed and we we think that that person wants to do it deliberately and then we

we move around and and we’re full of aggression and why do you do that intercept this go into the mindfulness

approach where we stop up for a moment and look at that person and then person will say oh I’m so sorry I didn’t mean

to do so and then we say well then that person was an instrument for the gods to to

reimburse or re-put back in the whatever I haven’t paid we can call all of these

narratives and just there just calm down stop all of that frustration and just

look in the now and say this this happened this is an experience this is

what that person is this is what I am and then here I want to put in some things you’re working with a lot that’s

where loving kindness come in because there you go into the that mode of if it is a past life re-enactment if it is a

predator all depending on what kind of Predator it is but if it’s kind of a manifestation of ill will to put it that

way into this reality then all of these things can actually be eradicated and

and ceased to be frustration and this fire of indignation and turn into a fire

of transformation where we look at the situation and instead of feeling

hatred and Ill mindedness ourselves we go and feel this kindness in ourselves

and in this situation we might not be able to change the Predator but we can at least change how we respond to it

what the narrative will be around it so instead of choosing something that re-traumatizes and lingers on in that

pain that will then eventually if we do believe in karma will become a physical pain later on from being an emotional

pain it will later on become a physical pain in another life then we can go in and say well right here and now I heal

that Pain by choosing to be in compassion by choosing to be in that

feeling of hear I heal it right here and right now and by that I bring it to its

cessation I stop it right here and now instead of following the trail of frustration that will lead to rebirth

yes sorry for just bringing it right there and that’s real it’s it’s there there’s so much to pick up on this is

really good so you know this this natural human inclination to explain

things to derive meaning from events and I think that’s there it’s very helpful to do that and at the same time I also

feel it’s it’s helpful to have the ability of just saying being okay with not knowing what it is but how we view

it so that’s the first step of the Eightfold Noble Path is Right View our correct view our wise view our whole

view uh and so that’s kind of where wisdom starts and ends to to view

something in the in the best possible manner right that that’s going to lead towards benefit at the same time is not

deceiving ourselves or lying to ourselves at the same time right so you almost have to have some degree of of

wise view in order to to become more wise and then wisdom will lead to even

better more of um I guess not evolved but yeah I I guess more skillful views on how to see

things so that that’s the one thing we definitely can’t have a seeming Choice over is how we view a situation how we

respond to it now there’s all kinds of possibilities on that way you Illustrated some beautiful ways to do

that too and I think I think a little bit of the key word here is in my opinion in my experience and what I’ve

remember not what I’ve studied because I haven’t studied Buddhism to to the letter as you have to a large degree but

for me when we talk about frustration and The Sensation of duker as in in this

pain frustration aggression way of interpretation things clinging onto things creating situations for ourselves

that makes things more complicated it has a lot of meaning all depending on where it could be physical pain it can

be emotional pain it can be mental constructions that leads to pain because you think of things in a specific way

that makes us what we call a cognitive scheme when we talk about depression with there the mind creates what

cognitive scheme or cognitive schemata where you begin in one end then it goes into a spiral where you end up being

depressed and sad and if you can via the cognitive therapy techniques you can go

in and stop that spiral so that’s mindfulness that’s also meditation and mindfulness where you go and observe

what’s happening in my mind and with the emotional level what’s happening emotionally in my heart when I

experience the situation what’s happening on the physical level so the pain is we we know some of the

practitioners that are the gurus and some of the other ones that work with the physical form they can completely

extinguish all forms of pain so they don’t feel pain and we know that we can

do our painkillers and what have you so pain is also tied to our expectation of pain or our expectation as we have

learned when we’re children that if we fall and our mom said oh go that way then pain will be something very to to

be afraid of whereas if we are we we kind of when we fall and we get picked up we get kids on the cheek and Mom says

okay it’s fine it’s fine it’s just pain you can deal with this it’s good you feel that this is to teach you to be

careful next time or put it into some kind of context that is expanding our awareness of how to use our body in a

proper way because that’s what pain is then we create the narrative around it as in in this is not just something to

be afraid of but actually something to utilize for a better way of being a human being and that narrative is more

the distinction I’m drawing between pain and and the stuff we add on top of the natural

paint now the childhood thing I’m going to set aside because that’s a whole new complex thing but maybe an example I’ll

give is that uh yeah it’s the stories we tell about our what you know this extra

stories we add on like if we have a physical physical pain or something like

that and then some people might add on like oh well I’m I’m all right the

story’s added on top of that you know because there’s some stories that we add on top of that well that actually add an

extra level of uh unsatisfacturiness to it but there’s other views and stories

we can we can see that might actually help it more wise more wisdom or wise views or skillful ways to to

um view it that will that won’t add that extra level of unsatisfacturiness on it

now the um what was the so young go ahead yeah no I was just thinking what

we’re dealing with you and what we’re doing here and try to exemplify here is that when when we are having this this

discussion on on Words which some Scholars do and some do not do and is it

to be interpreted this way or that way whatever then in my mind we must understand because the Buddha was one of

the the people that could look into different Realms and different aspects of things in one go uh very soon I’m not

saying I’m a Buddha or anything but my I’ve trained my mind to do some of the same things and others that practice and

expand their awareness they can look into multiple layers at the same time and that’s why we begin to understand

why we cannot take words literally why we must always work with them on the different levels this is the physical

this is the emotional this is the mental this is the extraordinary onto the other Realms as well as when when the Buddha

was teaching the Layman he would use the analogy of the Yoke of of the bull for

instance that living inside the human realm in if we do contextual as in the time of his existence the ones he would

be teaching were slaves and they were under enslavement and they they were slaving for someone else so they were

under a yoke both meaning that they were carrying the burden of the rich people but they were also carrying the burden

of being the low cost they were also carrying the burden of pain they were also carrying the burden of

psychologically not be acknowledged as living beings yes and also round after round of birth in samsara right yes so

and in that interpretation have I got to this button of the hierarchy because I have done something ill minded in my

previous lifetime is this the punishment from the gods to put me here and then then the Buddha came into this whole

teaching another level of teaching which we have also discussed you and I where they they go in and where he goes in and

say well none of the gods are Eternal beings they are they are also having their their spiritual transgression rate

they will also cease to exist at some point so there is no living being that’s internal there is no continued

repetition and and rebirth after rebirth after rebirth since everything will come

to an and eventually so let us go in and figure out okay what is it that leads to

the rebirth and that’s where the understanding of Duca comes in because that’s where the teachings are well you

have that experience and what you put onto it what you tailor around to the faculties of mind what you interpreted

the faculties of emotion what you put into the five scandals what you put into the under sorry if I’m not well it’s

interesting because it’s uh people it’s because there’s actually a terminology in Buddha because the five faculties but

they’re um they’re also called the indria and so it’s interesting how we’re kind of mixing our these terms that

Buddhists usually take as their own terminology so in in the sky does too but I’m alluding to that because I’m

kind of trying to tap into it yeah and so the the even if people don’t you know

there’s no requirement for people that are you know not into this very deeply is to to

um buy into or believe rebirth but the thing is past action so it just goes to

the this is it goes to the notion of actions have consequences According to some like you you know a cause and

effect or thing like this but so yeah we the earlier examples you talked about well maybe this is past a fruit of a

past action and so um so that just kind of that’s the way maybe to weasel out of

uh past lives you just say past action because sometimes things might happen in this lifetime but some might be from

prior lifetimes too as well but I don’t think we can take the the teachings of the Buddha without having it in the

context of the time he was living in it absolutely he lived with people in India that believed in past life and and

that’s part of it too reincarnation and and that’s and and he for me he was if I

am to interpret in my way he was teaching people that this this might be true to some point not or did what he

would have said I would rather go around if we are to understand the unders the the concepts of duker in on its

different levels then he would teach one level to the slaves as in a kind of

explanation of why there were positioned where they were positioned as in this is

the life you have now but it’s not necessarily because the gods have deemed it that way exactly it’s not necessarily

because they are they are impermanent creatures as well so they don’t rule over you as a human being so what it all

comes down to it’s not circumstances it’s not the gods it’s not calmer but it is your actions and Here and Now what

you’re doing here and now that determines whether or not you will be in the wheel of samsara the wheel of Reaper

yes and for me that’s the understanding of ducat where he goes in and teaches people and say well this this is your

own doing so to speak if you change the way you experience life if you change the way you experience your life as it

is now yes it sucks you might not have said that but you can you can change the way you perceive it you can change the

way the narrative you create around you can change the way you experience these these physical

impermeables and they are they’re just things that happens to your body you can

override it which you learn by the gurus you can override it you can work with it in meditation contemplation yes you come

home that you have been beaten up you have been whatever has happened to you but you can sit at the end of the day

doing your your before the sun goes down meditation and clear it all out and go

into love compassion and just heal yourself from that moment yes you’ll wake up tomorrow be the same [ __ ] but

you could do that every day and that will minimize the burden of distortion or that leads to a specific type of

rebirth yes and they also talk uh Sila samani panya so Sila is the ethics so

even the people that don’t get a chance to do meditation right the these ethical ways of conduct it’s going to be of

benefit too if you act you know skillfully usually you might have more of a chance to have a skillful result

salt so you know it’s not because you thou shall not right is this is for your

own wealth uh welfare and long-term welfare and well-being then the next step is we’re talking more about the the

meditation path that that helps you can go another layer and then the ponya is the wisdom and that can really help us

see and know and overcome levels of suffering towards the complete uh yeah

and I just wouldn’t I just wanted to go in would you go ahead no because what you said there because if you go into

the circumstances of the Layman that were slaves they had no chance of changing their life no chance whatsoever

they might as well have been thrown into a prison cell that’s why he allowed the lower caste to join the order if they

could even have that possibility but if we look into that that context and say well they had no chance of changing

their lives what could they then change the way they perceived it absolutely so I think we should look at the teachings

the vulnerable truth as well in within that context if we look within the context of the the Rogers of the

nobilities and the rich people then the teaching would apply in a different way so we have to say well when you talk

about the idea of we have to who who’s working with frustration there what

level of frustration are we talking about but also what are the life circumstances and this is why it’s your

right View and this is the very first step on the path and it’s a you know yeah yeah and so like I don’t know all

the exact terms but I think it was defined as what you know what is uh Duco birth aging sickness death uh sorrow

grief lamentation despair I think I’m missing all these things so it’s it’s the ending of that so just know that

it’s not just all the bad things there’s a possibility it said that you know there is a chance to end this if it

wasn’t possible I wouldn’t teach it so that’s the third one so we keep this in mind at the beginning maybe middle and

end that it’s just not all party pooper time right um all right actually it’s a

little bit when we’re going to talk about the gospels and the same change the happy the gospels the it actually

means the happy message the happy news yes and and Jesus were also teaching the

Layman he was also teaching the slaves and the Saint Paul goes in and say this is this is the liberation of enslavement

where we get liberated in the corpses of Christ so the ideas is saying that we have these people that are targeting

that information for the ones that are enslaved and I don’t know languages used to Liberation emancipation and I think

that’s enormously important we can of course if we go scholar nerdy here that the the Emancipation

that Jesus talked about were actually the Hebrews that left Egypt and that old enslavement and what have you we could

go tailing back to that ones because that’s a Jewish context but here we have an Indian context but they both on the

Indian continent as well as in in in Judea people were enslaved and they had

no freedom and then we have these that comes in and tells you you can’t change the circumstances because that is what

it is but you can change the way you perceive it and then we’re going to go and say well do we then go in and create

The Narrative of gods or reincarnation or whatever and I think that why I do

enjoy Buddhism very much to the degree I understand is because it’s so close to psychology it’s so close to good human

behavior it’s so close to these are the techniques how you can survive being an

environment that literally restrains you from a to set and how can you still have

that balance point because I’m not going to say you create Joy because that is impermeable as well that will the moment

you have joy you might get killed in the butt and life happens but there are moments of Joy otherwise it wouldn’t be tolerable at all yes but I would rather

say points of neutrality where you are just in acceptance and trust and and and

just being in that without labeling it without valuing it without putting things into it and just do what you have

to do because then tomorrow is another day as the gospels say each each day has its own burden so you just as a slave

because I want to put it there so we have that context that as a slave of reality and what’s with the

circumstances you put into it all depends on how you’re working with these circumstances and that can as we kind of

sing as you have the piece of cold that cold that the more you pressured it will

eventually become a diamond and that actually goes into some of the diamond body teachings where you use all of that

pressure which we can interpret our suffering we take all of that pressure all of that duker and you transform it

into becoming this enormously strong Sovereign independent being that no

matter whatever happens to you always stand in the midpoint and you will always transform suffering and you will

always turn it into love compassion and you will always find the center point that no matter what happens it will not

really affect the core of who you are and that goes into the sukkah when we talk about the non-essence what is the

essence so and before we get there pick up on some points yeah that Equanimity

that that the wise some people it’s not to be confused with indifference it’s a

really kind of wise grandparently love that saying that I cannot live your life

for you you know I need to worry or not worry you know that comes into it too

but the my my own kind of own or whatever level of stability in that

while I can offer you know help and guidance along the way I can’t do every single thing for you you know you have

to do your you go on your own path and this whole notion of enslavement is a really good one both

literally and figuratively because you know um just even the nobility would

would be enslaved to like you know I don’t know um lots of different sense Pleasures having access to all kinds of

things right and still even not having that be satisfactory you know and really

so it just whatever cast you were there would still be some level of stress and

unsatisfactory it’s just different degrees in that view and so there was a big emphasis with you know you might

have been uh fruits from past actions but the thing is like we were saying right now is the chance to change you

can view this you have there’s the choice to view this a different way now and there’s a choice now to act think

and speak more skillfully and more wisely now which will pay off so instead

of putting the emphasis on all the past and how horrible it was maybe what I did

all in the past you know not to deny that but know that uh that can actually drag one down even further if we give

that more time and attention and energy but know that now is the chance to make a change our actions our thoughts speech

and action do make a difference there’s one thing though that I also want to pick up with is when we talked about

um the real life example of getting pushed down and uh yes I think you kind of um

also mentioned compassion because in my notion that would be a notion of compassion there because to say oh hey

you know how you doing when somebody’s you know hitting you I don’t you know it’s not I mean that’s a real

high-minded thing and I would say very Advanced practitioners can do that but for the reality the streets smart spirituality would my view is that

person isn’t a lot what is that person going through that they did that you know and also this notion of yeah that

person is a lot of freaking pain right or something really bad is going on there at the same time they want to be

happy just like I want to be happy right you know so now sometimes the most

compassionate thing to do is you know put up strong boundaries and stay just as far as away from that person as you

possibly can and have no interaction whatsoever I think in some cases that is the most compassionate thing it’s not

like I’m going out you know so but if again I’ll put yes absolutely so that’s I would say that’s people in the

distance that kind of we don’t look at people in the distance because we’re not infiltrating and we’re not entangling ourselves into their energy Fields

energy but if if I have a person this is this if you talk about the higher levels of compassion if if we if I have the

situation where I’m on a train and and I am in my bubble of energy I’m in my version of reality the relative reality

that I have created by working with my energy system to the level where I am in that balance point of neutrality so that

whatever happens around me flock to its in and out of my field without me clinging onto it without me grasping it

without me pulling it in and saying this is mine or this is part of who I am just letting it be there as an experience

then if someone comes and pushes me then that person becomes part of my experience and by that becomes part of

my field and that’s where when in that situation where I will then go into that still point and look at the situation

and actually in that moment I would be able via the the higher levels works of

compassion be able to change the trajectory of his I’m using it here his

and my entanglement in future lifetimes I can actually put I can distinguish

that Karma that would arise from that moment by being in the correct type of compassion and that has nothing to do

with me being all softy and oh yeah you didn’t mean to do that it is an energetic nullification

of the incident so that’s something entirely different it is that’s Mastery of energy field

so that means compassion has different layers too absolutely and this goes along with a view

because you saw this and you know where it could potentially lead with your action right and the action is more

energetic in this case but it’s still the the the what you saw the view and where it could lead and then the action

the response that that was chosen there so it is a type but it’s it’s again on a high you know a different level but yeah

yeah so that’s beautiful yes because if if that situation is not resolved then

it will we will meet up again at some point because it’s kind of you have this it’s like a tear in the fabric of

reality two realities clashes together this is why we’re going to we have relative reality that’s our individual

reality that is ignited and controlled and explored and unfolded Via our Energy

System but if we go into the unified reality field then all of these individual relative reality incidents

will create a pattern from where we will be forced to meet up eventually and this goes to the notion that I that

maybe a similar type thing is when if I don’t learn a specific lesson a specific

a specific lesson it might it seems to keep repeating until I’ve mastered it or

came to completion it might not be the exact same person it might be in a different scenario at a different place

but the Dynamics are really similar right these repeating things that happen in our life over and over again until we

kind of get the the thing that needs to be learned or realized I mean that’s what came to mind with this yeah yes so

that’s the understanding also of karma as this pattern that we own weaving together of reality our relative

realities our individual perception of reality the way we administer our energies and our Consciousness

potentials will then create the big pattern where we are all interconnected in that not that we are all at one no we

all want because we’re not interconnected yes but we are interconnected and we are affecting each other interdependent too yes because

we’re in the same in reality so in a way we say Karma’s the entire reality it’s not just cause and effect but it has a

cause and effect in our everyday life and it has a cause and effect on the long run and that’s where you’re going

when you master The Compassion to the higher degree where you begin to understand it’s yes you’re both

compassionate in the moment but what is compassion that movement compassion that movements to understand who’s actually

in front of you what’s the right course of action here so that’s another cause and in fact what’s the right cause of

action here yes which we talk about the noble truth about how to end do care yes

the course of action what do you do here what’s the root of it and how to work with it and that’s wisdom knowing what

taking knowledge and applying it in everyday life Yes actually putting knowledge into action yes and then

knowing it for yourself you know yes with the incident that’s in front of you and not just in contemplation and not

just in meditation it’s an application so you have to be out in life to to Really experience how we will put these

teachings into effect and everyday life and that’s the mindfulness for me comes

in that in that moment every single moment you have to be completely mindful

observing you never have too much mindfulness yes and always see every single incident that comes into your

life once you get to the higher levels of the the path where you begin to understand the whole life is this

fluctuation of energies that changes and you’re in this ocean of all of these energies and every single moment is a

moment of wisdom of learning of processes of transformation and where you can begin lives and end lives and

and develop lives and whatever you want to do with that moment everything can be lifted up to an enormous unified level

understanding of reality or just choose to do it locally yeah and the I think

the view is an example of that that’s possible you know at least what we have headed down there’s one thing you said

there though that I was um that uh that I was wondering that I kind of missed that you said everything is karma in a

way now my understanding is that there are other laws that come into not

everything is karma right and this goes into the bigger well I mean just like the laws that govern whether whether

although we are some say you know connecting an effect but there’s I guess certain natural processes

yeah so when we talk about the human rounds this is this is but it’s a it’s a good distinction distinction to make

because people might not think in these different boxes but I was thinking when I was talking about when we talk about

the human Realms and talking about combat karma is only connected to humans I see what you say because like the spin

rate of an atom yeah it might not have to do with any of my actions but then sometimes it depends on what those words

atoms even exist but exactly yeah so no nature does not have common nature is

not an entity nature is not a life form as we understand of it so it does not get here it won’t do its own actions yes

so it does not get Reborn the planet does not get reborn into different shapes even though there is teachings

allude to that one because they want to make them entities the logos of the planet what have you but when we from in

my understanding is that when we talk about the human realm this is the human realm on its own because if we talk

about the laws that governs Universal structures we go into a completely different discussion so cause and effect

here is always connected to rebirth and calm is always connected to the understanding of existence in different

Realms of reality or as I call them timelines or no other points and don’t get me started on a whole other level of

things but here we keep it within the concept of the Buddhist ideas and for me

coming there is alluded to the actions of the past the actions of the present and how you can change that so you will

not be caught up in the wheel of samsara because at the end of the day duker is to be stuck on the wheel of

Reapers yeah absolutely yep and that’s what the ending of Duke you know that’s that’s what enlightenment and Liberation

is the ending of duka what’s being ceased duka right and it’s a really important notion too that our actions

matter because some systems say oh no everything’s predetermined you know it’s

um it’s either fatalistic or predeterminism things like this you know

so that’s really because then then there’s no incentive to behave in in a

way or do anything whatsoever I mean if nothing applies so yeah so that’s that’s another important thing now let’s um the

um the one thing we uh talked about uh in the last one is this the the the the

the well before I wonder do you remember the point when I said I was going to go back

and pick up some some things before you kind of transitioned into something now I’ve completely I’m I’m off on that so

maybe if it comes up later we can we can choose that but the one thing we left at the last time that we kind of um hinted

that we pick up is this symbol working with the symbol yeah so if we want to go back to that and explore that a little

bit deeper and how that works well let’s see if we can work our way back in because that’s a very very high level

right now we have gone into the path of compassion and calmer and the the cessation of being on the will of

rebirth and and being enslaved to the wheel of rebirth because I think it’s important when we talk about the Buddha

and his teachings he was always working with this very I’m sorry I’m saying he was always as if I’ve been around him

but it’s an English expression yeah yeah so so working with the different layers

of information and teachings and again we have talked about from the slaves and how to to be in a reality where you’re

stuck and your your literally refrain from doing anything and then going into to the Kings and the abilities or

whoever were on a higher cost and what would they be enslaved by other than frustration and nitty-gritty yeah you

got the whole Palace there and and you’re still complaining kind of psychology but what would they be

actually enslaved by they would be enslaved by the Gods they would adhere to the gods because

they were put there as that level that would administer in reality feel for the gods so in in my vision I’m having here

is that if the Buddha were teaching a king or an ability or Roger he would

then go in and say your frustration is that you’re linked up to the gods you are controlled by the gods your wealth

is controlled by the gods you are taking not free either you’re also enslaved you’re enslaved by your greed you’re

enslaved by your your your priesthood that you are asking them to cast the the

not the rooms but the cars the the fortune or whatever that is to look into the Stars to look into astrology so you

can get more fortunes so you can get more wealth and that would also mean more power so you’re enslaved by your

power you’re enslaved by your greed you’re enslaved by and if you don’t get that then you get frustrated you’re enslaved by your thousand wives or

whatever was going on so how do you stop having that that and that’s why both

when we talk about the gospels or the teachings of Jesus or the Buddha as an and yes you can teach this level to

these people but at the end of the day it’s they are more difficult actually to liberate than the commoners and even

expanding this uh Beyond it said that the human realm is the best place for this type of practice because if if

one’s in a Hell realm it’s just too agonizing you don’t have any thought you

just have to wait till that lifetime’s over and then if it’s in the heaven you’re everything’s so delightful and

beautiful you know that there’s no incent what is suffering I mean stress what are you talking about this is lovely you know so there’s no incentive

in the extremes right to practice but there’s just enough here to say yeah this just isn’t doing it for me you know

what’s the better way here so there’s an incentive here on from the rajas all the way to the the slaves that yeah we all

share this in common until we’re fully enlightened from my understandings that we’re all going to experience at least unsatisfactory us but if it goes where I

kind of wanted to work with it which we have the gospels as well there’s the same way where Jesus this rich guy comes

to him and said I’ll give away all my money all these kind of things and he still says the eye of the needle is still too too narrow for you you would

still not be able to go through why is that why is it that rich people not to put that away but the ones on top of

hurricane why is it more difficult for them to reach Enlightenment because we need suffering we need the crisis we

need so that what moves us what what like being in in this fiery place not

hell not hellish conditions but we need to be in a situation where we are

confronted with constantly that life is unsatisfactory that that no matter what

we can’t get a full stomach we can’t we go to sleep tired we are always being beaten we’re always this net whatever so

we’re in this constant psychological grinding machine that where there are

larger potential for transformation whereas if you’re on the top end of everything you get served for you and

you have access to whatever then these then and I think so you kind know where

I’m going but the idea is then why did the Buddha then leave the castle because perhaps he knew that if I’m going to do

this if I’m going to adhere to the the the inner teachers that he probably already had the time I need to be out

there in the grinding machine I need to be where pain is felt I need to be aware the the gurus are teaching the the

commoners how to deal with their physical pain I need to be out there with the sages that teaches me the

ancient wisdom of the ones that have gone before us I need to be in the forest so I can feel the nature Spirits

the Divas I need to be out there he started as a Seeker after truth yeah and the truth is with the the Four Noble

Truth that suffering does you know it does exist or the people experience suffering while the people in the castle

they want to hide from it pretend it doesn’t exist cover it up with more sense Pleasures right and that said not

even a mountain of gold or a reign of gold would be enough yeah there’s never you know they always more and more and

more and more so when so so that kind of blinds them to the truth of how actually

unsatisfactory that is they’re just totally caught up in that so yeah that’s

it’s a very good point yeah so that’s kind of just so we we’re still talking about when he said there

he was teaching the different people in different ways and and I for me and I

know I’m I’m constantly conflating it with with Christianity or the position it’s a good reality because you’re

drawing on that teaching system to understand this time and that might be completely wrong well it could be it

could be even more right than than we know of so I don’t know and then of course this this intuitive what I

remember what I was experiencing as being that Buddhist monk when I had that we we re remembering so to speak yes

let’s then let’s talk about that for a little bit if you’d like to whatever you’d like to say about that let me

preface it with a little bit of um this kind of paradox of so it said on the

night of the Buddhist Enlightenment one of the things that stages he went through is recalling his own past lives

incalculable number of past lives right and then before going on to actually

seeing these uh the the cycles of birth and death in other beings so that was

the next but his own past life so that to me that seems fairly important now the the the Paradox is some people say

and there’s wisdom in this too obviously well I guess some of the um the monastic

order they’re not allowed to really talk about their past lives for this and that reasons at least among the lay people

that I know of now they can talk about the Buddhist past life or or I don’t know exactly what but now you don’t hear

too many um uh uh monastics talking about that I won’t go into the reasons now but we’re not monastic so that rule doesn’t apply

to us and um the the other thing is that you know some people can get hung up on

certain past lives right so they can constantly either re-traumatize or get too involved in that and where where

that’s uh they put too much importance on it but I would say there is a great deal of importance to be gained so what

is the balanced approach to look at these types of things and then you can also do this from draw on your own

experience with past life memories too right as experiential yes because loved all the things you said they’re

absolutely absolutely so I will give more kind of my approach to this more than what others have put because in in

the inner work I’ve been doing where I work with timelines and clearing of timelines using the keyism of my heart

feels so that’s a completely different approach but when I go in in this life alone I work through many of my fields

that are part of my energy system and when once I’m done with the field it collapses and once it collapses you see

everything that is on the timelines connected to that field that that would be how I would interpret that as the

Buddha went through these Enlightenment stages he would collapse his scanners or his fields and there he would see all

the existences he had been on with that feel on these timelines as I would put

it because the experience I have had is that once that happens I see all the timelines collapse but they they surface

as these at this life and it kind of past life that just as in time of death they you just go through all of them as

they cease to eat assist on the timeline the the surface activate evaporate and

then what you are pulling out of that is that whatever remains there of viability what’s called viability rate that goes

with Consciousness units will then be transferred into my heart field and then activate that to another wing of

expansion another ring of of Developmental processes that will lead to new timelines but whenever I’m done

with a field and it no longer is useful for me for my continued journey of

expansion it will collapse and everything that’s on it will collapse with it and by that all these past lives

would cease to exist and even if you ask me can you remember them no they will completely cease to exist so that’s

another way of getting unhooked of the wheel of samsara where you work with a different developmental processes of

your Fields lifting them to their highest energy State and highest viability rate as it’s called where you

then will understand this is lifting it up to its highest potentials from where all of the other time timelines that is

below that will cease to exist so thereby there’s no need to talk about it because it doesn’t exist anymore it

ceases to exist completely so that’s also cessation of pain and cessation of rebirth and cessation of suffering

because you have cleared yourself to that level where everything literally becomes light and symbols to put that

one in there and with that collapse everything that’s below that that is lesser than that

so that’s how I kind of perceive that thing so but with things that lingers on as in this the Buddhist monk that’s

because I’m not done with it yet I still have got some frustration there because I died in agony and torture and

severe pain and some of the things that I experienced there where I was using all of my techniques first in trying

transforming compassion which didn’t work because I was dealing with some really severe let’s just call it type of

being that were in human form there so that didn’t work then I went to other ways in while I was being tortured while

I was in severe Agony and it’s completely bodily pain but I could administer that but what frustrated me

was that I kind of found that moment that all of my techniques didn’t apply so so that that’s the frustration and

that’s why sometimes when I work with the whole idea of Buddhism I can go in between this this High state of

compassion and understanding and transformation and and it brings me joy and then the next moment because of that

frustration of in the moment of death where I try to none of this works and

eventually the only thing I could do was to pull myself into the void but that has not really ended that timeline it’s

not there’s still pain there’s still this image of that being what was that being what was going on the whole

frustration around that so so that there’s still pain there so that’s why it’s not ended so when when you’re in

that state of a past life that’s also going to talk the monastic level as a monk it’s good not to talk about it

because you will then and you will then activate it further you will you will go in with the human mind once you try to

verbalize things you will go in with the human mind and create thought forms and ideas and by that actually amplify The

Narrative around it amplify The Experience other than just having it as an experience so it should be done in

contemplation and inner work and compassion work that goes with my relative reality and why why it for me

led to frustration what was it of the teachings that I might had into misinterpreted so that it didn’t apply

to that situation and and thereby would be logical to think oh perhaps my teachers didn’t teach it right I would

go into to this whole kind of spinning office their folder was the Buddha fake or what have you and then put it back

into the center point and say okay not as in why did I have that experience or why was I putting it was a political

issues and the things I was involved with in the time and all these kind of circumstances of 1959 in China so we

kind of get the context of that so why why was it that it’s unfinished for me

that would be the the point of inquiry where I go in and look at that in meditation as I’ve done and of with the

past life in as a Native American and what was it that I didn’t get done that keeps me stuck on that timeline so

that’s that’s where the way we work with past lives but we don’t share it because that is that is so relative that when we

talk about the Buddhist ideas you only share what’s relevant for the group you don’t share what’s relevant for you

so you keep what’s yours because that’s your process but you share what’s relevant for the group as a as a

community to lift up as an enlightened group that leaves the group to a higher level not your personal distress or what

have you because that’s yours to deal with duh you do you have practice and

compassion and undo of of of pain and suffering so you don’t share that it’s

very beautiful and wisely put the Buddha would do that too in crowds he would kind of survey the crowd and

just know exactly what to say what not to say for everyone present there right and um but this uh what I’m what comes to

mind now is it besides the yeah the pain and the challenge behind uh when I what

I felt by hearing you say that is that I wonder if um if there’s other past lives

behind that that interrelate to that moment too if there if there’s patterns

in past lives too yeah that can that uh that either repeat or that are

significant and yes so it’s uh it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s the way you viewed that

in your response to it it’s it’s uh I think it’s I find it very helpful especially for practitioners that are

getting around that level and I would love to hear from some practitioners who are experiencing past life recall and I

know I’ve done a post in the past about what makes it even more confusing is all the different uh potentials where it

could not be a past life it could actually be something else right there’s so many other possibilities where what

one is experiencing uh could seem like a past life but there’s so many other explanations of what it could be too

yeah so this is yeah maybe I can refer people to that post because I can see

where Randy can just go on for probably a couple days with that one at least so

so that’s a whole other level so no I want to keep it with the whole Buddhist and you can kind of say well if if you’re not supposed to share this as as

a monk because you didn’t share the frustration and yes yes absolutely Dylan you notice here yes I

should not have shared it but since I’m not I’m not exactly and I’m using this as an example of okay because I’m

working with past lives as well and we are getting into when we talk about the elevation of our reality on its on its

own merits and what that is and what that means then as part of the universal structures the whole clearing of past

lives come in and we need techniques to do that absolutely well first I I feel we need techniques enabled to access

them and recall them because you know it’s obviously valued within Buddhist teachings of past life recall right then

we need ways to uh how to go about experiencing them viewing them and then

how how and when we should share them to who you know because they’re important and they’re um some parts are taboo some

parts are not and I think uh and then some people write it off altogether and I don’t think so you’ll have these um if

I might do a slight drive you have some psychologists that find all the Brilliance of the Buddhist teachings in

in Psychology but if someone’s that brilliant and they’re talking about they just completely disregard that like

though that’s just fairy tale well I don’t think it would be in there for for no reason whatsoever right so it’s it is

a complex issue that I feel needs to be explored and because we’re not subject to monastic rules you know and I would

also invite monastics to come in here and uh also give advice on how lay

practitioners might experience things too right yeah yeah I want to put in there when we talk about all of these

ancient teachers that’s been there in my understanding and the way I see it and and recall it from my lives here and

there and Beyond is that you have the teacher that’s always the kind of the center point of this teaching system

that is not channeling that’s not downloading it is it’s given off over by

the ones that gone before this is kind of you have a field of knowledge you have a field of Consciousness you have a

field of that is divided into a kind of hierarchical structure of different beings which goes into the Buddhist

cosmology as well and all of this is is triggered what you call triggle down it spills over down to the deeper layers

until there is a human representative that becomes the the face of that system that becomes The Interpreter of that

system that is born into different Realms that is what the the esoteric is called avatars and you have other ideas

of the the the rebirth our hearts or whatever it is there’s always one the teachers that comes in in different

crises and different times in human history and teach these different concepts within different I call them

factions extraterrestrials what have you that’s where I go in a little bit out of normal understanding of Buddhist

teachings but there are always these teachers and the way they operate the Dynamics are more or less the same you have the

teacher that comes in whether it’s poor or it’s rich or whatever it is then that

person begins to create the people around him or her we haven’t heard many

of the female teachers but there have been a few and they create they have the first one that is the second ring that

where they have this this inner circle of people around them that are in their the field of the teacher where they like

osmosis get the teachings the regularly delivered to them and they they are always connected through past lives

they’re always doing the same thing they’re circulating to do that so they are appointed that position always so

they are called the igniters and the administrators and it will not go further into exploring that and then we

have the third cycle where we begin to have the ones that are preaching what that’s the kind of the monastic the the

teachers of the monastery the teachers of the monk the high level that one which I have no English word for that I

just called the Grand Master and then you have the monks that are part of that section but the marks go into the fourth

ring as well so the teachings would there be a different type of teaching and then you have the fifth ring which

are the Layman of the commoners that are inside reality and if you ask me would

the Buddha teach the lame and the fifth ring about reincarnation absolutely not that’s monastic

that’s for the monks to do but the teachers of the monks they

would know about these past life because they were recall it they would not be taught it they were we call it automatically because they’re so close

to the second ring where they would also get a spill over not osmosis in the same way as from the teacher but they would

get a spill over that would ignite enough for them to run a monastery to to do the daily chores to do we wake up we

do this we have this discipline we have this way of living and we’re working with this to nullify the effects of

physical existence within the monastery we’re working that way with energy like Venezuela with the Garden or with

growing of herbs or whatever it was so that we transformed the the monastery

setting if there’s a word Monastery I don’t know the grounds of the monastery exactly to keep that pristine so it

represents Shambhala on Earth actually so that’s what the monastery is and the shambal is a kind of heavenly realm

where the Hearts and the enlightened ones or whoever and it’s a huge which would often to Tibetan Buddhism there

are many different Realms there and we’re not to go in there either so so all of this is the understanding well we

would say well the Buddha didn’t have a monastery he didn’t have monks he they came later as far as I understand right

but I I don’t think that I think he did have the he might not have called them Marx he did not have the monastery as

the older Christians didn’t have a church but they have the ecclesias they had the Gatherings they met in specific

Parks Meadows and parks and what have you as do you know the the the and sorry

about that I’m going into Greek philosophers they also the stoics they met under the stallers they met under

the pillars where they were discussing topics so that’s how it was so of course he had his people around him of course

yes and he had and this goes to um was the chief disciple I guess or I mean

whatever is interpreted the close ring of monks that are well known and uh what was it sorry puta was foremost in wisdom

and there are I think accounts of sorry puta doing his own teachings to his own I

um I don’t know if anyone else noticed but when Randy talked about the third ring you actually said cycle for third

one so I’m I I you meant third ring but it just came out so so yeah no no no that’s just one out in case anybody else

noticed that or was confused about it but yeah it’s it’s it’s um it makes a lot of sense uh to to see

that that system as well and we’re seeing that mirror actually when you do educational institutions you have the

podium and then you have the seats that are divided into rings or the theater where you have the Rings again and or as

well with the ones in the back are the ones that are in the cheap seats you have the serious practitioners closer to

the yeah and the ones that are close and the past life connection is really interesting as well because there’s

stories in the sutas where um it was uh mogulana and uh was it uh Anna uh no I

think is was it no it was it was two well sorry puta whoever he was with either mogalana or

um Anna Ruda or whichever one he’s paired up with but they supposedly went through many past lives together and

there’s like this uh Bert and Ernie type character oh I don’t know but you know they they were always kind of known together and so yeah that that makes

sense like that as well yeah they will always find each other no matter where they were they’ll always be drawn

together because if there is to be a teacher seated into reality and create the Five Rings of knowledge to create

the waves of different levels of ignition of the original teachings within Humanity so they could they can

do the elevation because it always comes in when we are on a threshold to a new age then the teachers come in that’s

what they say it’s easy it was the time was ripe for him to be here at that time all the different conditions were

perfect for it so he was he was to end an age and he

ignite another age so he’s an igniter and that’s what the teachers often are but that’s also why is says that

everything that I leave behind was cease to exist because the point of me being here is not that I become a religion

that I become something you worship the point of me being here is to end everything that I brought with me and

this goes to the Buddha’s Last Words which may or may not have to come another time because we were ready an

hour into this and uh there was I think one other point that I want to make that

I forget so I’m not not a smooth ending but I think we can probably leave it I

think the ending was that he said to his students that that go out be lamps of your own go out and and carry on my

teachings as the Buddha the teaching of Jesus is as well he says I will cease to exist but the the the the spirit the the

Holy Ghost will come and enlight you and you will then carry the teachings on and the for me the Buddha did the same thing

in this end of whatever happened in the last hours of his he was having these people around him he was talking to

different people on different levels saying different things to each and one of them deliberately so that they would

not come up with this great teaching system and that’s why when we talk about the the whole practitioner of Buddhism

today for me it’s kind of that’s not what he asked he asked people to not

make it into a religion he he asked them not to make it into a teaching system that’s right so like well now I remember

what I wanted to say that what you were talking about here is just this realm so the in the Buddhism acknowledges many

many I’m sorry World Systems that’s what they that’s translated so that’s just this world system that Buddha for this

world system when there’s so many different world systems and things going on so and yeah and so I think the one of

the interpretations of the last words I was looking into this if I’m getting this right um

compounded conditions are subject to change work out

um your own workout your own liberal weight your I’m getting excited here your own Liberation with diligence

that’s are along these lines right so it doesn’t say yeah you know build huge temples and you worship me I mean that’s

of course they don’t do that in Buddhism but they get more Christianity or something but yeah it didn’t he didn’t

necessarily say you have to rely on me for a teacher anymore you know work out your own Liberation with diligence yeah

so I mean it’s a little it’s somewhat cryptic right but I mean it’s also very wise yes but when we talk about the the

ancient wisdom that’s been given to us from the ones that were before us that will always change according to the

teachers that are ending in H in the beginning and you it will always change it will become something else and the

ones that have got the spillow of the osmosis of the teachers they will carry the torch for a certain period of time

then they will distinguish and then this the third ring will carry the torch for a certain amount of time and then the

fourth ring will carry it for a certain amount of time and then the fifth ring and once the fifth ring has turned it

into religion then the teachings would cease to exist and because they have solidified they are no longer living

words and this is acknowledged too that the Dharma is going to die out and there they give these sign points of you know

if you see this then it’s the end is near kind of thing like one of the things if I’m remembering this right is when people start losing the ability to

do you know deep samadhi and deep Sama to practice or concentration that’s not the right translation I like but when

that kind of dies out then that’s a sign that this will die out for this cycle until the next one right well there’ll

be maybe another Buddha or however it works right but that’s that that’s inbuilt too that is

once he’s he sees to be reborn I am pretty sure about that so oh yeah

there’s no more rebirth after that then the second ring there would perhaps be reborn one or two or three times once

they are gone the third ring would be reborn four five six times so there’s this amplification Vector that goes with

that as well and then eventually the ones that the Layman that got the lowest level of the teachings they they will

they will have been reborn many many times but once they die out too either by lifting themselves up to the second

ring or the third ring of the fourth ring or just by complete decomposition because they’re worn out and they no

longer exist then that’s then that error is done but he started by collapsing

everything that was connected to the teachers he got it from so that’s the most important thing to remember yeah

because when it said when he um achieved Awakening the first and then he decided

to teach out of compassion that the first person that he would that could get it because it was so complex and so

subtle and so profound yet and not understandable by miralogic alone to his

first meditation teachers the ones that taught him these profound levels of subtle levels of consciousness they were

already dead though yeah so he wasn’t able to teach them and the other thing this also lines up a little bit I’m

taking with the uh taravada Notions of the stages of Enlightenment you have the stream enter and if it was it seven more

births the first stage of Enlightenment then there’s once returner non-returner and arhond yeah so yeah so all right

I think that’s the that’s the way to put it yes and that’s that’s the uh that’s the goal to

um to to see and no suffering in order to see suffering yeah

yeah okay all right well thanks Randy you’re welcome thank you

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