(Ai assist:) Saw Myint (a 52-year-old woman originally from Myanmar, now living in Sydney, Australia) shares her personal journey of healing from childhood trauma and mental health challenges through practical, non-religious insights inspired by Buddhist teachings.
Saw Myint is a qualified mortgage broker with a background in accounting who has also ventured into property development. She describes her difficult early years under age 10. Living in a comfortable but neglectful family environment in Myanmar, she endured exploitation and mistreatment by an aunt who lived in the household, treating her like a servant (tasks such as washing and ironing) while her parents—often fighting—remained unaware or uninvolved. This unresolved trauma lingered as painful memories and attachments, nearly leading her toward destructive paths, but she avoided them and instead channeled the experience into building resilience, humility, and strong interpersonal skills that later fueled her professional success in business and client relations.
Since her early 20s, Saw Myint has dedicated time, money, skills, and connections to helping others, particularly immigrants and those in need in her home country and Australia. At age 30, she deepened her engagement with Buddhist principles—not as a religion, but as a pragmatic, testable approach to reality emphasizing self-reliance, impermanence (anicca), and the end of stress/dukkha. She credits these insights with her recovery and forgiveness, enabling her to view even the abuse as a paradoxical gift that shaped her positively while rejecting any justification for harm.
Through her charity Wake Up, she promotes mental health awareness, urging people to seek help via helplines and professionals, especially in confusing or grey areas of suffering. She emphasizes promoting accessible support, as those in pain often feel too confused or scared to reach out.
Contact Saw Myint: https://www.facebook.com/likesawkmyint
Saw Myint presents two practical steps for well-being, accessible without formal meditation:
- The Easy Step: In daily life, observe that good and bad experiences (pleasure, pain, success, loss) arise and pass quickly. What remains is memory, imagination, and attachment—not the events themselves, which are gone. By recognizing impermanence, one avoids clinging to the past or chasing endless satisfaction, fostering balance, reduced stress, and peaceful acceptance—even in facing death, illness, or loss.
- The Advanced Step: Drawing on science (mind and body processes moving millions of times per second) and simplified Buddhist psychology, she explains that feelings (good or bad) always lag behind reality—based on what has already ceased. Thus, experiences feel dream-like or illusory: “nothing is real, everything is an image.” Believing this (even without direct meditative insight) shifts behavior toward letting go, presence, and equanimity. . . . .
[Note: I, Josh, forgot to mention it during recording so added in the intro that this perception in the advanced step requires strong ethical commitment to non-harming and must not excuse any misconduct because if there is not strong ethical commitment, and there’s a unbalanced perception of “nothing is real” then this could falsely provide grounds for giving excuses for harming a la “it doesn’t matter, it is not real.” If nothing is real and nothing matters then this could also incentivize lack of right effort because “there’s no point to anything if nothing is real”. This is not what Saw means. I just wanted to put this in here to clear up any potential misunderstandings. I also forgot to mention that I find that belief and disbelief are not necessary when it comes to this. Belief and disbelief can be set aside while picking up these steps to try them out for oneself]
Throughout, Saw Myint stresses human imperfection (“we’re all a little crazy”), the value of feeling emotions without dragging them on, comparing oneself only to one’s past self, and letting go repeatedly for a balanced, happier life. She avoids dogma, aligns teachings with universal science, and expresses a desire to spread these ideas decentralized (inspired by S.N. Goenka’s model) via communities rather than centralized centers.
The episode concludes with her invitation to connect via her Facebook page for direct help or collaboration in teaching others, and a warm reminder: good and bad feelings pass—feel them, then move on and let go.
Takeaways:
- Saw emphasizes the importance of mental health awareness.
- Buddhism offers practical strategies for personal growth.
- Good and bad feelings are temporary and should not be clung to.
- Childhood experiences can shape our adult lives significantly.
- Helping others is a key part of healing oneself.
- Impermanence is a fundamental aspect of life that we must accept.
- Self-awareness is crucial for emotional well-being.
- Letting go of attachments can lead to a more balanced life.
- The mind and body are interconnected in our overall health.
- Charity and community support are vital for mental health advocacy.
(Approximate) Chapters:
0:00 Intro & Important Ethics Disclaimer
1:07 Guest Introduction – Saw Mint from Myanmar/Australia
2:25 From Accounting to Mortgage Broking – Life & Charity Path
3:12 Childhood Trauma & Early Mental Health Struggles
11:15 How the Aunt’s Treatment Shaped Her (and the Silver Lining)
13:59 Moving to Australia & Starting to Help Others
15:19 Discovering Buddhism at 30 – Recovery & Forgiveness
16:10 Charity “Wake Up” – Why the Name & Mission
17:49 Impermanence Basics: Good & Bad Things Don’t Last
19:37 Memory, Imagination & Attachment – What’s Really Causing Pain?
20:58 Easy Step 1: Notice Feelings Pass in Daily Life (No Formal Meditation Needed)
22:37 Death Reminder – Wake Up, Everything Changes Anytime
25:04 Advanced Step 2: Science + Buddha – Mind/Body Moving Millions Times/Second
26:51 Everything We Feel Is Already Gone – Dream-Like Reality
29:34 “Nothing Is Real” – Letting Go of the Illusion
33:18 Mind Precedes All Things – Dhammapada Insight
36:05 Practice Tip: Focus on Yourself, Be Present, Compound Effect
39:26 No True Present Moment – Continuous Letting Go
41:30 Feel It, Then Let It Go – We’re Still Human
44:22 Acceptance & Turning Pain into Growth
46:13 How to Connect with Saw Mint & Spread the Teachings
47:56 Final Message: Good & Bad Don’t Last – Just Move On
49:13 Closing & Goodbye
https://www.facebook.com/likesawkmyint
Audio: Wake Up! Nothing Lasts Forever: Saw Myint’s Practical Steps to Release Stress And How Certain Concepts Of Impermanence Can Help Heal Trauma And Build Balance
Unedited transcript via YouTube:
And just a brief disclaimer for this upcoming episode
when she uses this step two technique
that basically kind of arrives at a concept a perception of nothing is real,
everything is an image. Um, she’ll go into detail. I don’t want to spoil too much, but with as with any
of these types of things in spirituality, even though it came up at the time, I didn’t say it that it needs
to be taken with ethics and it’s not an excuse
to behave however you want or do anything you want because nothing is real. It’s all a dream. So, who cares
what I think, say, and do? It doesn’t matter if everything isn’t real like a dream, right? That’s not what we’re
saying. So there needs to be a strong commitment to nonharming in ethics when
we take on a concept or perception like this and you’ll see the relevance as she
explains it into the episode. So thanks and enjoy. Hello. Hey, this is Josh from
Integrating Presence and today I have Saw Mint with me. So how’s it going today?
Good, good, good. The sun is shining over here 11 10 11 a.m. in Sydney,
Australia. Everything good? How’s everyone? Yeah, thanks for having me here, George.
You’re you’re welcome. And so I was from Bur Burma, Myanmar, and where my
meditation teacher happens to be from too. So I’m um glad to to speak with
her. And yeah, I’m um we talked a little bit before about politics. We’re not going to get into that today. So who is
Saw? What kind of work does she do? Okay. So, it’s just a lady.
I am 52 years old. I have a husband and a son and a girl.
The son is 30 years old. The girl is 17. Um, I’m CBA qualified. I got to
Australia when I was 17. Now I’m 52. Um I used to do accounting but uh for the
past 10 years I’ve been mortgage broking. Lately I get involved in property development etc as my way up to
retirement so I could do more charity and um but I’m here to talk about my
passion. Okay. Um it’s all about mental health and um Buddha helped me but I’m
not in distri I’m not in any way distributing religion and but I want to appreciate who helped
me that’s why I mentioned his name um but you know I also suffer
mental health issue when I was young and I was so young under 10 that I didn’t
know how to get help and now I learned enough that I forgive
forget and I got over and that’s why I wanted to help others what I can not
everyone going to resonate with me I understand you know but um I’m here out
there opening up my story to help others okay well great yeah you know so so many
people that get interested in Buddhism you know there’s other reasons but a lot of people I meet is what I call the
ducador right come through the ducador or when things get really um let’s just
say really challenging and there’s no way to deny it anymore. That’s kind of how I did. But like what would you say
um what do you feel comfortable sharing about your story? Um and then how did you address it and maybe how did some of
the Buddhist uh Buddhist teachings um help with that? And uh you know it’s
it’s okay if we do talk about orthodox or modern Buddhism or whatever. But I I
don’t even like to word use the word ism. That’s a a western thing to me. I just look at it as okay here’s um a very
wise being um or even beyond that right it means awake and this is he shared
some things and he said go check it out for yourself. To me it’s just okay this
is reality. this is how I this is um the best um see seeing things for how they
actually are and then the best way and the best way to go about it. That’s how I look at it. Not as a religion, you
know, because there’s nothing to believe. You don’t have to believe anything. Yeah. No, no. See it for yourself. That’s what
he said. You know, like nobody helping you, no God helping
you. We got to help ourself. But he gave us the strategy and we have to practice
to find ourself you know we looking outside you know we finding others every
day but what about you you know and like people who are successful who are busy
also um busy busy but we never look at ourselves so we don’t usually look after
ourselves so we die young etc you know so it’s just a thing about balancing you
still have to live your life etc. Um so in the beginning what you said in my
story I I don’t mind sharing okay I started on social media um about this um
you know Facebook because I’m good at it mortgage broking I do video to add value
people come to me so but then social media they see me as a woman you know
what whatever I say however I look I look I don’t look pretty sexy right but
then people see me as a woman But here I think you guys have the right audience.
So that helped me you know. So yeah and Buddha even said you know um like
he said there’s only sand like the sw and the water in the wall. Okay there’s
a lot of swah in the world but he was only able to help handful of swah you
know. So you know what he teach is not a relating it’s the facts of life but not
everyone will resonate with him now same here you know I’m not saying any method
is right or wrong there’s different way and different people resonate with different thing I’m here out there if
even if I could help one person you know because I needed help and I didn’t know
how to get help and in every develop country there’s a lot of like help life.
I think we should promote more. You know, people who need help, they too
scared to come to you. We have to be like come come you know they may be
adult I was a child you know child don’t naturally know but even if you are adult
you people who are suffering especially mental health and that it’s a very gray area they don’t know how to get help
they’re very confused we got to promote our help you know that’s why I’m here to do what I can okay um also I think we
should promote helpline etc every developed country has all these help lines Right. Um yeah, even Australia,
Australia is very safe with gun etc. all these fightings and can’t I don’t know
what do you call you know m uh yeah I don’t know what they call but uh but there was Sydney famous beach
bondai you know there was a terror attack uh last week a week ago or so um
yeah 15 Jewish people died a lot of people injured um so it’s all to do with
mental health okay uh back to my story okay is it too long you want to cuz you
want me to go on specifically. No, I would just I’ll just echo that. You know, uh well-being, you know, the
um I don’t know if you’re referring to the suta, the handful of leaves, you know, where he he said he took the monks
of the forest, you know, what’s what’s more in my hand. The leaves in my hand are leaves in the forest. Of course there’s the leaves in the forest but in
his hand he said this is but this is I know everything or you know my knowledge is as vast as all the leaves in the
forest but all I teach is this handful of leaves suffering and the end of suffering or duka and the end of dooka
or we could say stress and the end of stress or even unsatisfactoriness and the end of unsatisfactoriness that
gets more subtle but yeah stress people can relate with this right and where do we turn so it this is about well-being
right? And um uh living a good quality life um more and more uh for our own
benefit and for that of others and and eventually all beings hopefully you know
uh since we’re all interconnected and especially in the long term too you know we really get more spiritual and then we
think even more long term than than just you know this life even maybe we can be
open to that too. So, so yeah. Um, yeah, I totally in agreement here. Uh, it’s
about because if we don’t have that, then all the other aspects of our life
are going to not be as good as they could be or not be as beneficial as they could be. So, this is core, you know, of
all the things he could have done, he he he honed in on this stress and the end
of stress as the most important thing. So, um, yeah. So, yeah. And then and if you want to
make it uh kind of relatable in your own story, you don’t you don’t have to really share much if you but then um
I’m happy to how you dealt with whatever you dealt with too and how you help people. Yeah.
Yeah. Um yeah, I I went intro too much and I didn’t get there. Uh what I was
trying to say is um he tried to help the world but only a handful of people get
it. So, you know, because um also I said in my um Bible, etc., you got to be
open-minded and face the facts of life and don’t see this as a religion. It’s
just a way of you know like just one of the practice to make your mind happy
healthy. So it it will help the rest like if your mind is
healthy and it will help your body and everything you do etc. Okay, that’s what
we’re trying to do. And and what he said is you know I think also because a lot
of people comfortable you know if we think we got everything then we don’t really look for the answer you know you
know western war even if you don’t work there’s a wayfair etc right but only
when you think you have a challenge you know you’re not comfortable you find the answer right maybe that’s why a lot of
people missed out because they feel too comfortable book right the government help etc. But then yeah I was lucky
enough I had suffer I had challenges that’s why that’s why I searched the answer and I I’m not a saint yet but I
got to the stage that I can fix myself you know that’s why I’m here to help. Okay. What happened to me is uh when I
was young under 10, I can’t remember exactly how old I was. Um I had my
parents I I never been rich but I never been comfort poor. I was comfortable. My
government give my late dad a big home as long as he hold the position. So like
a lot of my mom relative relatives come and live with us.
And there was my mom, younger sister, single lady, my auntie.
Um, she lived in my parents’ home and but she treated me like a little slave,
little helper, little servant and nobody a woman. People see me as I follow her
everywhere. I don’t know how I end up there, but she should know what is in my
best interest, you know, like she lived at my place. She know my mom um like you
know I don’t know I was put in a situation I don’t know how to get up she asked me to do her job you know I I
remember yeah like washing her Andy ironing for
her passing her day while she getting ready to go to um
I don’t know how to
Okay. Yeah, I can’t hear you anymore.
Sorry about that. If um if you could silence the phone too, that might might help because there was a couple notifications to just
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um Yeah. So, you were you were saying your aunt was kind of taking
advantage of like child labor. Um, where was your can I ask your mom? How come
your mother didn’t say anything or did you go to your mom? She didn’t know. It was a big people.
My parents are always fighting. She didn’t pay too much attention to me. It’s okay.
really um that’s why now um I do whatever is in my in the best interest
of my children you know I put up with anything so that my children are always
happy cuz I be there sa you know and you know I think that’s why people
especially developed countries say like be careful how you treat children they
don’t know but they remember it stick with me for a long time you know you
think they don’t know but you know they have suffered they remember but I did I
I turned into religion but what if I turn into drugs and you know everything
that bad for me you know so yeah I needed help I don’t know how to get help
I don’t even know how to open up my to my mother but she wasn’t close to me
that’s why I’m saying When you are someone who are helpful, we got to promote our help. People who need help,
they confused. They don’t know how to get help. I was a child, but even if you’re a adult, if your mind is in, you
know, like depressed, confused mode. You you’re not there. You know what I mean?
So, but then but then a few years later, my dad come
here to Australia. So we you know we moved to smaller home. So my my auntie
yeah she bought an apartment she move out. So that was all right.
But then you know I was in my mind back then like I always wanted to be free but
don’t forget the positive thing is she made me successful business woman. She
made me able to put up with customer people like you know and I am I have a
decent education but I’m not I have no pride in me. So that’s why people like
me you know she make me the person I am. I thank her for that but then I also
treated the right way. What if I I took drugs and you know all the other thing
alcohol blah blah blah and I go down because I have suffer you know Buddha
helped me so because of that since I was 20 years old I was always there for
people part time I I still have to work you know study said but I didn’t have
much money so with my money my time my skill my connection even to this
stranger people who come close to me especially in my country people you know they they try to settle here or people
over there I send money etc since I was 20 now I’m 52
um but when I was 30 I found religion I become religious and slowly help me
recover right that’s why I’m here to help others you know I’ve been doing a
lot of charity but then later I found that people never had enough even if you
help them with other things. So I f I want to help people with this. This is
like you giving you know something that you can’t attach money to it and if I
could help someone with um their mindset etc. They will help themsel be
successful whatever they want. Right? In business sense, right? If you have no
stress, that mean no limit. You can fly anywhere you want. You know, in life, if
you know how to handle the stress, you have a happy life. Whatever happened to you, whether someone leave you, you
behold you, you are dying, whatever, it’s all in your mind. You know our
body, we are dying. Okay? That’s that’s also wake me up. That’s why my charity
is called wake up. Okay. My accountant thought, “Oh, this word too simple.
Maybe there’s other people already taking it because it’s too simple. Nobody taken it.” Right? I was able to
get this name wake up, right? Wake up. What I mean is um what I’m trying to say
and now we’re a bit lost. So um yeah. So
all you you were going to say oh the the name behind your charity I mean this is a classic spiritual thing waking up you
know um yeah so isn’t it Mhm. uh even in life you know if you
stay in balance you know then you know it’ll help
whatever you face like you know okay so the method I tried to teach
which I learned from a monk a few years ago I think it’s kind of lost in
translation Buddha teaching but kind of lost in translation so if you are Buddhist or something you might not you
can find this method. Okay, there’s two step I I let you know first easy step.
What he said is okay before that what um wake me up.
Yeah, that’s what I was trying to say. Um now I got over but what wake me up is
that we could die any moment. Okay, all of us we look different but we all the
same inside. We all warm blooded members. Okay. And we could at any
moment that wakes me up, you know. So that’s why I’m here to tell other most
of us are comfortable. You know, even if we don’t work, government help us, right? But then knowing that whatever we
have don’t last forever, wake up. But then I’m not saying this to let you
down. Just face the fact so you can live with yourself you know because every day
so the m teach step easy step is what it is is every day while you living your
life there’s only good and bad thing happen to you okay what you got to
realize is they don’t last okay so okay good thing right
good food good drugs good sex do they ever last just a few minute Right? What
it lasts is memory, imagination, your attachment. Right? Bad thing. Someone
leave you, someone die, you know, terror attack, uh, flood, I don’t know, as
whatever. Yes. Sickness, old age. Yep. Yeah. O a sorry.
Yeah. Sickness, old age, sorrow, grief, lamentation, despair, grief.
Yeah. They also pass pain. How my aunt treat my auntie
treated me already gone. What I’m dragging on is my memory, you know, and
I can’t go back and fix it, right? It’s the past. What killing me is my memory,
my attachment, my imagination. Knowing that thing pass already, I can’t do it
again. And memory is a memory not real. Okay. So every day while you living your
life, I’m not asking you to sit down and meditate. I don’t even meditate because I got to I’m like a stubborn lady, okay?
I’m I got to um I’m more after strategy. It got to make sense to me whatever I
do. Okay? So if you know the strategy, you can
practice whatever you do. You don’t because yeah people can’t even find five
minute to see themsel. But we are living every second. Right? Why you living
every moment? You won’t be able to catch every moment. But when you able to catch
it, see that good feeling, bad feeling, good thing happened to you, bad thing happened to you, they don’t ask. Okay?
So don’t drag on about it. See um one billionaire tell me he’s 70 years old.
He said if you take could take me back to 35 year old self I give you
everything I have so because he can’t you know if you billionaire know that you could go any moment you know so good
thing don’t last bad thing you know well it already passed right so if we don’t
if we are open-minded face the facts you know look at yourself don’t look at
other don’t compare yourself with other others are not you. We have a different
I don’t know environment. We grow up different I mean you know we all the same inside but we we have a different
life right so just compare yourself yesterday to today and
you know try your best but and something not under control don’t drag on about it
even if you’re if you are billionaire you could die any moment you know and
even if you are dying you know good a healthy person could die
in front of you before you lucky if you have a cancer you know you’ll die in a
year other healthy people they don’t know when they’re going to die they could die tomorrow before you right so
that’s what an said you know good thing bad thing don’t get attached you know they all go that’s the easy step that
you can see right if you look sure yeah look first and even the even the Buddhist said that
you know just the time it takes to eat one bite of food, we could be gone. The time it takes for one breath, there’s no
guarantee. I mean, maybe there’s some really adept meditators and yogis and
psychics that know when they’re going to go, but for most of us, I mean, I could have a heart attack. I could drop over
dead, you know, bolts of light. We don’t know how we’re going to go. Yeah. And and there’s no guarantee. We don’t know
when, we don’t know where, and we don’t know how usually. Um, so yeah. Yeah. Everybody appreciate their life.
Everybody even they poor whatever happened to them they don’t want to lose their life right that’s the most
precious thing that don’t even last also the bad thing people treat you bad you
suffering you great but that also has passed nothing you can about it all I’m
trying to say is have a balanced life don’t drag on anything that good or bad they always a moment you know
this is impermanence right Anicha that you put it really down to earth that
Even uh positive and negative things, you know, they’re all constantly arising, passing away. That’s right. So,
yeah, there’s no need to get stuck on the the past like you said because it you can’t go back and change it.
And even the good things, how much satisfaction are they going to bring and maybe for a few moments or a day or two,
but then we’ll be wanting the next thing and the next thing and the next thing, you know, they don’t last either.
Nothing nothing lasts forever. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. But then we not say it.
We still human. We still a little bit crazy. We attach to our children, our
loved one. It’s okay. Like but just just be balanced. Don’t, you know, go to one
side or the other. It’s all about balancing, right? Because we still have to live our life. You know, normal
craziness is okay. It’s we still human. But then, you know what I mean? That’s what Buddha trying to teach. I see. But
to see it, you got to look at yourself, you know, and um and you know, be
open-minded, be able to face the back. So there’s always like criteria. Like if
you’re not that kind of person, then Buddha can’t really help. I can’t, you know, but that’s only easy step. If you
look, you can see this. But there’s another step. Okay? Another step we can’t see. That’s why I’m trying to take
it universal and making it scientifically because I love science. I believe in chemistry and physics. Um you
know because science say um okay science say things are moving millions of time
per second. Okay. And Buddha say there’s only mind and body in the whole world.
We well if to understand difficult subject we have to make things simple. Okay. He say if you look at it only mind
and body your mind or other people mind or other living mind or your body or
other people body or m living body that’s all we have in the whole world
right and science say mind and body are moving millions of time per second okay
so and there’s only two feeling good feeling bad feeling okay so when you feel good your feeling have to based on
something you no weirdo you it it it doesn’t b you know it has to base on something right you’re not crazy just
feeling weird or nothing so the your feeling good or bad have to base on
something but whatever you are based on when you feel that because mind and body
are moving millions of time per second we’re playing catchup whatever you based
it on is already gone or it’s non-living so we are feeling good about things that
already passed. We feeling bad about things that already passed. What stick our mind is memory, imagination,
reflection, corpor.
We are two in two different part of the world. You can’t see me, I can’t see you. But we think it’s here, right? It’s
all these our being human. You know, this is a little bit hard, but you got to concentrate. Okay, you get it. Do you
want to put it in your own work? Tell me. You know, I love this uh simplified
version because um you know, I’m working with advanced meditative practitioners
that are their wisdom and concentration is so sharp. they’re able to see these
kalapas you know these individual um in and Burma Myanmar is known for abidama
the really deep profound uh advanced Buddhist psychology and these
practitioners I I’m not there yet they can see these when you deconstruct rupa
or you know matter is as far down as it can be subdivided there’s supposedly
these things called kalapas that are ceaselessly arising and passing like you said millions I mean, I think it’s
mapped out in Abid Dhama how fast it actually is. And so, it just blows my mind. It makes my heart just fill with
joy that they’re they’re they can see these in their own wisdom with the the the the light of wisdom. Um, ceaselessly
arising and passing away. And each one even has its own characteristics. I mean, but we don’t need to at least see
that and know that in our own experience. I mean, that’s where I’m actually aiming for. But what you’re saying here is I love um the the
simplified relatable version of this that because we’re not basically sharp
enough or wise enough to see this even though science corroborates this. Right?
Um we’re too slow, right? So we have to use a concept to kind of grapple with this
because I I’m my wisdom isn’t sharp enough to see this. But some people can and I they’re very wise and I take their
word for it, you know. But this is how I can connect with with what they’re doing right now that everything is so quick
that there’s like this lag or delay. And so we’re all we have left is this kind
of concept or this almost like illusion or dream or delay, right? uh you know,
you’re just waiting for the echo to stop uh and then wait and then talk and then you know, it’s like a delay on the line
and then the other person has to wait and even though we’re going on, they’re sitting there waiting for the the word
to happen, you know, we’ve experienced this maybe on a bad connection or something. So, yeah, I really love that
uh concept. So, thank you for that’s helpful. Yes. Yes. And I mean there
Yeah. Um a lot of people don’t see and it’s okay we just human it’s natural and
we until we become like saint we we won’t see but if see if this concept
makes sense to you you believe in it then there you see you know because
science already say it gone already how would you be able to see if you if you say you see this you lying you know
pretty ones but you if you believe in science that’s why I’m trying to make it universal You know every people have
different religion. I don’t want to offend anyone that’s why but science is universe right not everyone believe in
science either but people’s science is science right that’s why that’s what
science say it they are moving millions of time per second that’s the reason we
can’t see if you say you can see you lying you know even say whatever because they also human they can’t see it just
how do you how do you know so you have you so I would just Hey um do
concentration practice right do all 40 meditation objects so where you can get
all eight uh jas and then master and then johnic mastery for all and then I
think it’s don’t give up yet if you really wanted to dedicate to to meditation I think it’s way more
possible than you think I feel you know but the the mind has to be really strong and powerful and wieldy and malleable
you know to do this and I I believe I don’t think that people that the very few people that I practice with that
that that can see, you know, um ultimate materiality,
um I don’t think I don’t think they can. They’re lying, you know. I really don’t think they’re lying. I don’t think they’re making it up, you know.
Uh because it’s already gone. But what I’m I’m trying to relate to normal what
I’m sure is like you don’t have to be a saint. You don’t have to see this. Just believe in
it. Right. I think all these belief drive your behavior and it will drive
you you know everything. Well, I am definitely inspired by those those beings who can actually do it and
I see how well their life is and so I in um I’m inspired and there’s faith for me
to know that there’s so much more out there than than I can see and know for
myself right now. Yeah, I have faith in that. Um so maybe listen to this and see
if you can relate to it and but if you can believe it if you believe it um take
this belief and just behave in a way that go with the belief and you’ll be
okay you know you don’t have to see it just believe in it because it’s science it even if you don’t believe in Buddha
um science is the facts of life right Buddhism is also facts of life but
People may get offended if they believe other religion but then you know you
know so um because we trying to relate to what these different people but then
you know test it uh you can’t really test you can’t see it so but um you know listen to this and see if you can relate
and if you relate be um behave in such a way then it will help you. So if you
have a good um what do you call if you have a good mental health like a good
mind and you know Buddha say you know all these meditation especially all come
down to is if you have a good mind it’ll help your body flow and out the blood
flow and that cure a lot of diseases you know naturally because it’s all related
right everything starts in the mind you know
first version of Dhamapata even you know everything is led by mind made by mind
and uh no it’s it’s everything is um mind precedes everything mind’s the forerunner mind is the chief you know
and this is something you can if you if you look at your own mind you know in the right way and with the right
training and practice you can see how this is so but I want you to tell me how um
could you explain a little bit how this this notion you’re talking about of everything that we’re dealing with is
basically in the past because it rises and ceases so quickly. So does this does
this give a deeper insight to the first step or how how does that help for people to know that or to believe that
as you say? Okay. Um so like I said I tell you the
easier version first the first step everyone can see but even there you have
to look you have to focus you know if you just you know every day passes we do
things we do things as a routine we’re not really focusing right so when you
focus you see what you’re doing when you’re eating a good food if you focus
You see that 2 minute is gone right? If you’re not focusing on what you doing
then you don’t know whether it good or you feel that and then you don’t see that it’s gone right. So while you
living your life if you look at yourself focus then you see that everything passes good or bad. Okay. And all you
got left is memory. Your addiction, your imagination, reflection. And see that
they not real. Your memory is not wrong. Your reflection is not real. You’re
seeing my reflection. It’s an image. It’s not real. But we think it’s real. It’s all these people, right? So face
the reality. That’s why I said you need to be open-minded. You should be able to face the facts of life. If you are
wishyw I can’t help, right? But then pe people who are in trouble they like
that. So before we get there I think you got to face your issue first and talk to
like realize that you have an issue like you suffering something and like I you
know you don’t have to tell publicly like us but then still talk to someone you know or next step talk to
professional this might help but there’s also other methods psychiatric etc. Right. Um yeah. So then when you are a
little bit recover and do this every day you passes and focus on yourself and see
that good thing and bad thing don’t last. Okay. And then that’s the first step. Then you see that what’s left is
your memory that you suffering from. I’m suffering from my memory of how my aunt
treated me. Right? And then you see I have to say that the memory is the
memory. It’s not here. It’s not real. Okay? It’s my addiction.
That’s how you see the second step. I think if you look at each moment, it already passes. So like going mind and
body are moving millions of time per second. We can’t really see with the human eye. Okay? Human mind we can’t
see. But if you know that whatever we have been feeling or good or bad is all
memory. So memory is not real is not here. If you can even just see that
that’s enough you know. Second step is advanced. You know if you even see that
good feeling bad feeling they already passes they just memory your imagination
they’re not real then you will wake up slowly. But every day you got to
practice slowly. Focus on yourself. Don’t compare yourself to your environment. People, everybody have
different life. You know, you just look at yourself. Just if you want to compare, compare yourself with yesterday
you and today you you know what I mean? And you will see and you have less stress. If you have less stress, it’s
good for people who are still working, who are doing business. It good for people who are dying. uh because you
know you know maybe you suffering say cancer or whatever um uh you know know
that you know you having a bad feeling but that also based on memory it’s not
here if you look at each moment right at the moment it’s also a little bit to do
with being in the present. Yeah, we got to practice to be being in the present basically mean you look at yourself.
Don’t look at if you look at yourself, you see, you know, you see what’s happening to you. You know, I’m saying
good feeling, bad feeling. Unless you look at yourself, you don’t
see whether you feel good or bad. You don’t see whether it passes. You know, you’re just in routine, right? So, yeah.
So, if you just look at yourself, take it easy. Um you know every day we
passing we doing stuff even if you can’t catch it all all the time even if you
catch 10 10 minute a day slowly help you know it multip it compound right you
know it’s a compound effect you know yes so when you’re about to die you know
that you know like you’re not letting go everything right
at moment We are letting go everything every second you know and our body Buddha say
physical body is dying every moment we can’t really
well what we can take medicine etc try to fix it but it’ll go one day we can’t
make it last forever you know so when you’re about to die something when you’re dying
everything you feeling it’s just a memory so you take it easy so you go peacefully you know this could help
people mentally suffering also people dying you know I want to help them you
know yeah so you know I what I what’s coming up for me now is that you know if we’re
we’re not ever really living in it when people say the present moment by the
time we can even grasp that it’s already gone so that in a way there is no present moment right so we’re in this
continuous dream state or we’re in this like nothing is really
yeah solid or real in a sense. So if we can’t even really experience the true
reality then like what’s the point of this and how I would answer that is like
we’ve been talking about is seeing this nature of reality that it is not
satisfactory ultimately right in that it’s fleeting and that there yeah and that’s the whole
point is to to to see this duca and to to have it um be completely
gone, you know. So, um, cease. Yeah. Yeah. Because even present is not there.
Yeah. So, your that’s what I’m trying to relate to is your good or bad feelings
are based on pretty much nothing. So, what I’m saying is if you’re feeling
good or bad, don’t drag on about it. You weird. We are naturally we our feeling
good or bad are based on nothing. Okay? So just let it go. That’s what I’m trying to say. You know whether you
having good feeling or bad feeling, you know, we still human. You feel good.
Okay, feel it. Then what’s next? Okay, you feel bad. Okay, feel it. What’s
next? That’s what I’m trying to help people to feel, you know.
Yeah, that that that that really is beautiful. And um you know like the what
is it you said earlier you know um ha having enough well um even a mountain of
gold would never be enough you know no matter how much people have they never have enough either and I’ve talked to
people that they’ve done everything in the west that society wanted them to do you know went to school got the house
the car the kids you know have the the job the vacation the retirement and it
didn’t didn’t you know they they gave it all up. They quit because it wasn’t satisfying them, you know, they they it
wasn’t making them happy. Um, now some some people it’s okay, that’s great, you know, but other people they want
something else. They want something deeper that there’s there’s more to to whatever this is than what they’re led
to believe. Um, so yeah, I just wanted to echo that. Yeah. So if you’re searching for good stuff,
it’ll never end. If you’re searching for but while we s when we suffering I think we really searching for bad stuff it you
go keep down and down it’ll never end either so just stay in balance because they don’t last you know you billionaire
you try to be trillionaire never last and you could go anywhere what’s the point well you still trying like I’m
still doing businesses but I don’t mind if you go tomorrow you know knowing this
you I’ll be okay otherwise I’ll go crazy you know where’s all my you know we paying a lot of tax here you know
otherwise what go I’m like you know I’m helping other with social welfare you
know and I when I feel bad like when people I love pass they leave me well I
can’t go back right I just have to move on you know and when you do business when you do job you know uh people let
you go redundancy whatever Well, there’s one door closed, make another door open.
You know, when you lose a business, well, you wouldn’t want to deal with that customer, that business anyway. You
know what’s next? You know, good or bad. What’s next? You know, you
feel it. I’m not trying to tell you don’t feel it. You feel it. We’re still human, right? We have to know also know that we
human. We’re not sick. But then let it go. It’s all able. It’s all about being able to let go. But we
can like we don’t have to be as safe to let go. If you do this slowly, you’ll be
able to let go. And that’s what it’s all about. It’s not
so much accumulating. It’s letting go, letting go, letting go. And how much do we have that we’re not letting go of
that we could and our life would be so much better, you know? And because we can’t take it with us anyway, right?
None nothing we can take with us anyway. So, yeah. And uh yeah, it’s just more and
more layers of letting go of things I don’t even realize I’m holding on to. And then sometimes I want to let go of
something, but I can’t. Uh and so sometimes it’s almost like it lets go of me when the time’s right, you know? Um
yeah, we’re still human. It’s okay. Slowly trying to get there and starting
with our issue, you know. Sure. Yeah. At least if it fix your issue
then. Yeah. And you know that that acceptance you’re talking about is really wonderful too. You know that that
mantra of it’s okay. It really helped me as well. And it’s okay not to be okay sometimes.
Yeah. We we human. You know, we’re all a little bit crazy.
And and that uh like I like to u borrow this phrase the golden question. You
know, what if the worst thing that ever happened was the greatest gift I’ve ever been given? And it’s it’s it’s it’s
wonderful how you thanked your aunt for actually helping you when it it seems like, you know, um that there’s no
redeemable value, but you turned it around and actually looked at is it a
gift? You know, not that abuse is ever okay. It’s just once something happens now, what do we do with it? And I really
appreciate your approach to this. And I I I loved my um my mind like uh seeing
through this new lens that you provided for me I find really helpful because the Buddha was a pra pragmatist right he
would teach people what level they were on and to help them all walks of life
and he taught directly so they could understand and it’s useful and he said if this didn’t work I wouldn’t teach it
you know so so I so let’s let’s start wrapping up
here why don’t you tell people how they can get in touch with you, how they can work with you, anything else you want to
draw people’s attention to. Um, and yeah, and then, uh, take take us out on
take the listeners and I out on a message, please. Oh, okay. Um, I don’t know if you got my
Facebook page. I’m always on Facebook. You can reach me there. Um, actually, I
I would love to be like, have have you seen Goinga?
Goinka the the meditation tradition. Yeah. Oh yeah. Familiar him.
I’m a woman because I’m like his strategy. I would love to reach
the world with this. So I can’t do all by myself if I’m teaching individual. So
I would love to spread this by teaching people who have community. But this is a
charity. And then they can spread it that way you know.
Yeah. So I think goinga this Buddha teaching that goa strategy
spread it even no man can spread it you know like because he he you know there’s
a his follower who want to who want to help others he teach them and they
spread it is like a multi level marketing it spread that way. No, he was a great business guy. Going was a great
business guy. Yeah. Yeah. Emma, I’m also a business lady and that’s how that’s my aim. So if
you are interested in you know helping other please come to me and I’m you know
I’m helping to yeah teach you this so you could help others. But if you’re
individual in the beginning I might also be able to help you directly but I would
love to help like going guys spread it all over the country I don’t need any
meditation center I want to decentralize it no one has a I don’t think going ever
want to control this but everybody still you know I don’t know listening to his tape like you know but then he never
that’s why he let it go that’s how he could be able to spread it. So, and all
what I want to leave. Okay. Um I just Yeah, we all human, we all crazy, but
then you we we all have issue. But um
I don’t know when you’re feeling bad, there’s also good feeling come, you know. Just know that good or bad feeling
they don’t last and you’ll be okay. Just move on, you know. you know uh if you’re
still feeling that or still feeling or memory which you can’t redo. Okay. So
just let it go. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. My daughter calling me.
Okay. Beautiful. All right. I will let you go. Saul. Thank you so much. May all beings everywhere realize awakening and
be free. Bye now. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.
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