Multi-month Pāramitā (Attainments/Perfections) Challenge For December 2021

Apparently November 2021 was a break so December is month 4 of “The Pāramitā Challenge” (which I previously wrote and spoke on the first three months.)

In addition to contemplating topics about the Pāramitās or Perfections, so far, this challenge also includes precepts, the (10 Abodes from the) 52 Stages of the Bodhisattva Path and Bodhisattva vows.

Instructions are to journal contemplations resulting from observed intentions, opportunities, and actions to be generous, moral and ethical while arousing faith in the Triple Gem then seeing where/when confident and where/when in doubt.

This month includes the Pāramitā on diligence, the Right Speech precept (also doubling as a past Insight Timer live event) and the middle stages of the 10 Abodes from the 52 Stages of the Bodhisattva.

I’ve not taken Bodhisattva vows, and so with little instruction in Mahāyāna Buddhism, apart from maybe a smidgen of the zen stuff, there’s the benefit of beginner’s mind is a nice way to put it. I continue to shoot from the hip in this recording and will use a Theravada lens now and again plus a lot of inquiry as I ponder out loud. It may come off at times as criticism, and sometimes it may actually be, but these are mostly solo efforts at summonings what is really meant by the material.

(Past) material for the Pāramitā Challenge is now at https://maba-usa.org/paramita-challenge.


The Pāramīs in Theravāda Buddhism:
  1. Dāna pāramī: generosity, giving of oneself
  2. Sīla pāramī: virtue, morality, ethics, proper conduct
  3. Nekkhamma pāramī: renunciation
  4. Paññā pāramī: wisdom, discernment
  5. Viriya pāramī: energy, diligence, vigour, effort
  6. Khanti pāramī: patience, tolerance, forbearance, acceptance, endurance
  7. Sacca pāramī: truthfulness, honesty
  8. Adhiṭṭhāna pāramī : determination, resolution
  9. Mettā pāramī: goodwill, friendliness, loving-kindness
  10. Upekkhā pāramī: equanimity, serenity
The Pāramitās in Mahāyāna Buddhism:

The Prajñapāramitā sūtras (प्रज्ञापारमिता सूत्र), and a large number of other Mahāyāna texts list six perfections and the Ten Stages Sutra gives pāramitās 7 – 10:

  1. Dāna pāramitā (दान पारमिता): generosity, giving of oneself (in Chinese, Korean, and Japanese, 布施波羅蜜; in Tibetan, སྦྱིན་པ sbyin-pa)
  2. Śīla pāramitā (शील पारमिता): virtue, morality, ethics, discipline, proper conduct (持戒波羅蜜; ཚུལ་ཁྲིམས tshul-khrims)
  3. Kṣānti pāramitā (क्षांति पारमिता): patience, tolerance, forbearance, acceptance, endurance (忍辱波羅蜜; བཟོད་པ bzod-pa)
  4. Vīrya pāramitā (वीर्य पारमिता): energy, diligence, vigor, effort (精進波羅蜜; བརྩོན་འགྲུས brtson-’grus)
  5. Dhyāna pāramitā (ध्यान पारमिता): one-pointed(ness) concentration, contemplation (禪定波羅蜜, བསམ་གཏན bsam-gtan)
  6. Prajñā pāramitā (प्रज्ञा पारमिता): wisdom, insight (般若波羅蜜; ཤེས་རབ shes-rab)
  7. Upāya pāramitā (उपाय पारमिता): skillful means (方便波羅蜜)
  8. Praṇidhāna pāramitā (प्राणिधान पारमिता): vow, resolution, aspiration, determination (願波羅蜜)
  9. Bala pāramitā (बल पारमिता): spiritual power (力波羅蜜)
  10. Jñāna pāramitā (ज्ञान पारमिता): knowledge (智波羅蜜)

https://fineartamerica.com/featured/paramis-dave-wood.html

This month more or less includes slightly edited original notes both for week 4 and for the Insight Timer live event doubling as week 3:

Week 3 — (Also doubled as a “Mindfulness of Speaking” Insight Timer Live event I did with some mostly initial rough notes being:

Event description:

Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? Is it helpful? Is it the right time? We’ll explore these guidelines for wise and skillful speech and share stories, challenges, insights and do some practice

The Ten Non-Virtuous and Ten Virtuous Actions:
The Unwholesome and the Wholesome

Speech:
4.       False speech, lying
       4.  Speak only what is truthful
5.       Harsh words
       5.  Speak with a tone of gentle caring
6.       Divisive speech, slander
       6.  Use harmonious, unifying speech
7.       Idle speech, gossip
       7.  Discuss beneficial topics

58 Bodhisattva Vows:

  • 4th — Don’t lie or engage in wrong speech.

From The Brahmā’s Net Sutra:

  1. Prohibition of Intentional Lying:
    My disciples, if you engage in lying on your own, encourage others to lie, or lie through deception, then you are involved in the causes of lying, the conditions of lying, the method of lying, and the act of lying. This also includes saying that one has seen what one has not seen, saying you have not seen something that you have seen, or lying [implicitly] through bodily actions or within one’s own mind. Bodhisattvas always give rise to right speech and right views, and also lead all sentient beings to practice right speech and right views. If, on the other hand, you lead sentient beings to wrong speech, wrong views, and wrong activities, this constitutes a bodhisattva pārājika offense. The fourth major precept prohibits false speech. A disciple of the Buddha must not himself engage in false speech, encourage others to do so, facilitate false speech, nor may he involve himself in the causes, conditions, methods, or karma of false speech, to the extent of saying that he has seen what he has not seen, or that he has never seen what he has actually seen, or lying through physical or mental deeds. A Bodhisattva should always maintain proper speech and proper views and lead all other beings to maintain them as well. If, instead, he causes all beings to give rise to deviant karma, he thereby commits a Bodhisattva Parajika offense.

  • This talk puts stuff under a microscope but coming from a place of kindness and care usually supersedes this approach
  • millennial texting
  • Pain
  • Lashing out with speech
  • Victim/victimizer cycles
  • Shutting down
  • my background with this:
    more emphasis on how words are spoken than what
  • kind of abusing power of speech for influence and gain
  • not respecting power of speech
  • not saying I don’t know, or giving a quick answer as not to appear stupid or not helpful
  • forgetting significant key points then remembering later and wondering whether to go back and mention them
  • Not so much me clinging to negative speech anymore but me not remembering what I said or overemphasizing something I said where the other (says) they don’t even remember it

Public speaking:

  • Started off behind the scenes organizing and editing podcasts with little interest to be public myself
  • awkwardness of hearing voice recorded
  • inferior ego prevented from even considering doing such a thing
  • now the spiritual ego has other challenges like balancing as long as there’s no harm intended is it all OK with am feeling too loose so over regulating, self-censoring, or putting speech under a spiritual microscope
  • recording dynamics: slow, fast, (no)time limits, relaxation, energy
  • um, like, aaah, you know, right, and other shutterings
  • Buddha’s guidelines for speech:
    • true
    • kind
    • necessary
    • helpful
    • unifying
    • right time
    • (Priority order for these guidelines in general and in certain situations?)
    • (What takes priority over these guidelines?)
  • saying things that lack other truths thus some statements aren’t really fully accurate, only in one sense

Misc:

  • an acquaintance seems in love with hearing their voice and I can’t discern if it is based in egotism
  • Mirror teachings. Most fond of what we notice in others is what’s we’ve already addressed in ourselves; and maybe reflect back my own light
  • Dominating and foisting unrequested wisdom in real life mostly with groups so thank goodness for online outlets to share wisdom as alternative to compulsion to force something on somebody, or step on their path. This way others can choose. What’s the real life version of this? Speaking events?
  • “you need to think a little before talking so much” “yes, i agree, thank you”
  • “Why do I need to think before I speak; why can I just talk?”
    • Righteousness
    • While we do have freedom of speech it carries responsibility.
  • Repression versus excessiveness

(Quasi-formal, experimental) speech practices:

  • read neutral text with main intention to hear your voice, secondary to what’s going on in your experience. Or read something charged like contract revocations for contrast

“Monks, there are these five aspects of speech by which others may address you: timely or untimely, true or false, affectionate or harsh, beneficial or unbeneficial, with a mind of good-will or with inner hate. Others may address you in a timely way or an untimely way. They may address you with what is true or what is false. They may address you in an affectionate way or a harsh way. They may address you in a beneficial way or an unbeneficial way. They may address you with a mind of good-will or with inner hate. In any event, you should train yourselves: ‘Our minds will be unaffected and we will say no evil words. We will remain sympathetic to that person’s welfare, with a mind of good will, and with no inner hate. We will keep pervading him with an awareness imbued with good will and, beginning with him, we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.’ That’s how you should train yourselves.

“Suppose that a man were to come along carrying a hoe & a basket, saying, ‘I will make this great earth be without earth.’ He would dig here & there, scatter soil here & there, spit here & there, urinate here & there, saying, ‘Be without earth. Be without earth.’ Now, what do you think — would he make this great earth be without earth?”

“No, lord. Why is that? Because this great earth is deep & enormous. It can’t easily be made to be without earth. The man would reap only a share of weariness & disappointment.”

“In the same way, monks, there are these five aspects of speech by which others may address you: timely or untimely, true or false, affectionate or harsh, beneficial or unbeneficial, with a mind of good-will or with inner hate. Others may address you in a timely way or an untimely way. They may address you with what is true or what is false. They may address you in an affectionate way or a harsh way. They may address you in a beneficial way or an unbeneficial way. They may address you with a mind of good-will or with inner hate. In any event, you should train yourselves: ‘Our minds will be unaffected and we will say no evil words. We will remain sympathetic to that person’s welfare, with a mind of good will, and with no inner hate. We will keep pervading him with an awareness imbued with good will and, beginning with him, we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will equal to the great earth — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.’ That’s how you should train yourselves.

Kakacupama Sutta: The Simile of the Saw (excerpt)
  • identify challenges with being down on ourselves then just start talking focusing mostly on them. for me: um, like, aaah, you know, right, and other shutterings
  • How much do we want to amplify the unskillfulness of any perceived challenges balanced with not denying them?

Week 4

https://twitter.com/JJDippold/status/1476261788710838282

  • How about “impending immediacy” [in addition to emptiness, stillness, (light of) presence] for a translation of suññatā / Śūnyatā?
  • empty of what?
  • only encouraged to study, contemplate and practice emptiness with very stable, gathered, collected and unified mind
  • can investigate phenomena by going behind, behind, behind, beyond, beyond, beyond
  • [Did not mention in the audio:] what are the similarities and differences between emptiness and 7th formless jhana of nothingness? Between emptiness and voidness?
  • Notion of “emptying” referencing a talk on the “Shorter Discourse on Emptiness”
  • essence
  • unbalance of cart blanche because nothing is really real and substantive, what does it matter. unbalance of the inferior ego of I’m insignificant, less than and futile
  • womb
  • consider pairing with non-emptiness because with how existence is now how would we know one without the other?
  • reference points for emptiness
  • some other talks on emptiness (not mentioned in the audio)
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prajnaparamita
  • [Did not mention in the audio:] Fond of “Ever Beyond” (from Ever Beyond radio show) in reference to:

Gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā

“gone, gone, everyone gone to the other shore, awakening, svaha.”
literally: “Gone gone, gone beyond, gone utterly beyond, Enlightenment hail!” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Sutra



Audio: Pāramitā (Perfections) Challenge: December 2021

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Months 1-3, August thru October 2021 of the Pāramitā Challenge



The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:

this is month four of the parameter challenge december 2021 there was a

month off last month in november and here we have the first week being the

six perfections and their subdivision from the sutra on understanding the

profound and esoteric doctrine number four diligence also effort and zeal

and these pervade all the precepts it says here and there’s three dis subdivisions

zeal to exert effort like one who has put on an armor zeal to exert effort and

engendering good zeal to exert effort in benefiting

sentient being so first off this word zeal it’s interesting

how there’s also a similar word called zealot and i think it’s beyond the scope of this podcast to

go into that but i just pointed out as interesting diligence

and effort is the one i’m inclined more to now this first one zeal to exert effort

like one who has put on an armor it’s interesting this image of armor right so

in the positive sense this is someone who feels protected so there’s really a lot less fear right because

there’s a protection already in place so there’s less apprehension that they’re

going to get it wrong and something might backfire and get hurt really easily

so that’s the upside now the maybe the drawback of this image of armor is

that we can kind of shut down and protect ourselves from opening our heart right

for armoring up then there’s no vulnerability there to

possibly feel deeply and also connect deeply with others that comes

from that vulnerability lack of armoring and defensiveness and closing

down and shutting and placing an artificial barrier between us and the world

but let’s just go with the the protection thing and say yes the

kind of unifying idea that makes sense to me here is what’s needed to be able to feel safe

enough to arouse and sustain energy effort and diligence for what’s

needed you know the for right efforts are eliminating unwholesome states

preventing unwholesome states from arising maintaining wholesome states that have arisen and generating

wholesome states that have yet arisen so the second one here is zeal to exert

effort and engendering good now it’s interesting here they got the two kind

of energizing words zeal to exert effort so in one way maybe that’s a little bit

redundant it’s basically motivation though to amp up the energy the effort

the diligence to do good and this engineering it’s it’s interesting how

popular this gender thing has become like out of the blue all of a sudden relatively speaking here um and of

course engendering so interesting choice of word there but

this just speaks in general the way i take it to our goodness and

how that’s what it’s all about you know goodness and raises the

questions well what is goodness how do i recognize that how do i promote that how do i

serve that how do i increase that with effort there’s this interesting phrase called the greater good and i think this is

important enough to point out now and i don’t think it’s been used as much

recently as it has in the i don’t know recent memory before that so for me it’s

like a kind of a red flag if somebody just says greater good do it for the greater good well

the obvious question there is the greater good of who and then this can if it’s not specific it can allude to

well there’s good but this group here is a greater good you know so

when i see that i all it could very well have good intentions but it could also not so much so that is

why i’ve placed importance on well the greater good of who and if i had to answer that myself it would be the

greater good of all greater good of all beings everywhere so this third one zeal to exert

effort and bent of benefiting sentient beings so this ties in with goodness and

again this is sealed to exert effort zeal and then exertion and then effort

so this is like i guess it was my bad on the previous thing so it’s actually like a triple energy thing here yeah and i’ve

spoke to this before once we’re in a good enough space to help ourselves then it just

really doesn’t make sense to really do much anything else but be of service right to

share what we know with others because what are the other options we can just

keep piling up merit and goodness and good for ourselves but that would be

service to self and you know we can’t take that all with us right so what do we do it seems like the

really only option is service and it doesn’t have to be necessarily

you know service with time or money can just be an energetic thing a consciousness thing

or not just but in addition to a presence intent too

could be in our choices and knowing that even if we don’t see

an immediate effect or think it’s insignificant know that a bucket of water is filled up

drop by drop the classic saying that don’t think bad will come to you as

drop by drop of water buckets filled and the same as the the opposite don’t think that uh

goodness won’t come because again a bucket is filled up drop by drop and this is

the first week of the fourth month of the perimeter challenge december 2021

so week two of the parameter challenge this is month 4 december

2021 this is from the 10 parameters in the doctrine of your consciousness

the 10 excellent moral exercises are the 10 parameters this is number four

english translation is zeal in making progress and the commentary is zealand making

progress is of three kinds seal in producing great resolutions

zeal in acquiring good spiritual dharmas and three zeal and promoting the

well-being and happiness of sentient beings so zeal in producing great

resolutions so maybe in the west we hear the word resolutions

perhaps we’re thinking of like new year’s resolutions things we

hope to accomplish maybe goals that are more serious and that involve effort and

zeal to accomplish but what is a great resolution what are the criteria

and how is the zeal effort or energy involved in these great resolutions

and in producing great resolutions the most obvious

one would be making a resolve for again right effort

these are the things that are clearly laid out preventing unwholesome states from arising eliminating

unwholesome states that have arisen before that even maintaining wholesome states that are present

and generating producing wholesome states that have yet arisen

and we’re wholesome can also be skillful

as a substitute this is the word kusala and then the opposite a kusala

but this effort and zeal and resolution perhaps can be applied to

much of the path where effort and energy is required

it’s like the eightfold noble path they all enter weave within each other

kind of all interdependent and boost and support each other

really aren’t that separable in a way so when are

resolutions needed when it’s resolved needed and when does resolve need to be

backed up a little bit back down from a little bit and this is where wisdom and discernment

can come in to set the bar for what is a great resolution

what is not what new resolutions need to be produced and what current ones need

to be given more energy and effort so number two zeal in acquiring good

spiritual dharmas acquiring good spiritual dharmas that’s

interesting at one point at some point i feel acquiring is a good thing to have for

spiritual dharmas because there’s just kind of this natural or maybe unnatural energy to acquire things right in

everyday life people are trying to acquire a paycheck acquire a partner acquire a living place

or a better living place um acquire cars investments and acquire this and

that acquires experiences and knowledge and wisdom

so this acquisition there’s a lot more wholesome acquisitions and others and in this

instance yeah spiritual dharmas good spiritual dharma would be something beneficial to acquire at least for a

while it’s also contrasted with relinquishment letting go abandoning so

these are perhaps paradoxical values that are also wholesome and beneficial but

again it depends on what’s being acquired and what’s being relinquished let go of abandoned so yeah eventually

even good spiritual dharmas will likely have to be abandoned too just like the

parable of the raft the dharma being the raft once across the flood the river the

further shore there’s really no need to carry it around anymore so acquiring good spiritual dharmas

um so what is a bad spiritual dharma maybe these are just wrong teachings or

wrong paths or things that lead towards more suffering and away from

long-term happiness and well-being for ourselves and others of course the word spiritual is an

interesting one now because it’s been used a lot and i think its potency has been

diminished a lot and of course dharma’s here i guess refers to is the teachings of

the buddha or also the truth of the way things are so for me the spiritual

dharmas would be kind of a redundant usage here but so with the criticism

aside what does this mean how can we put effort into acquiring good spiritual

dharmas well in today’s day and age there’s so many different teachings out there at our fingertips

so there’s really not much excuse to dive into them study familiarize

yourself with teachings and truth in reality

no really shortage of ways to share these and actually seek them out

invite them in put out calls for these for things that aren’t already in existence and the energy and effort and

zeal behind this can get momentum so when we use kind of review knowledge or

just reflection on you know the benefits of good teachings knowing the benefits

of how certain teachings and ways to see reality can benefit not only us but

other people notice the changes in our lives for the better and perhaps this plays into more of like

some addictive tendencies but in a good way so instead of putting a lot of energy into acquiring

things that probably won’t do us much good we can if that energy is there redirect it into things more beneficial

and awesome finding a good teacher our teachers that we resonate with and spiritual friends too

pouring our energy and effort into that and reveling in the goodness

the rewards of this so number three zeal and promoting the well-being and happiness

of sentient beings as i’ve mentioned before once we’re at a certain spot in our

lives where our well-being and happiness is at a place that’s adequate

we can experience even more happiness and well-being by promoting the

well-being and happiness of others so it’s just this constant reinforcing feedback loop of the good

sort as we help ourselves we help others as others are helped we’re helped

benefited so anything we acquire in life we eventually can’t take with us

and while we continue to increase our well-being and happiness it

just doesn’t make sense to me to just serve ourselves at some point we have so

much to share and so many things we can do to help

and at the same time not stepping on anybody’s journey as well so just being open when the chance

presents itself when someone comes to us asking for help well-being

specific wisdom and also having online platforms where we can do this as well

and so we don’t have to wait for specific things we can share in in public without forcing it on

anybody and then if anybody’s interested perhaps they’ll come across it online

that way one specific example that comes to mind is i can’t remember where i heard this

is how many times that do we take for granted that we haven’t taken another

human life today more than likely anybody that’s listened to this hasn’t done that right and i mean it seems kind

of absurd in one way but just think if everybody on earth would just refrain from taking human human life for one day

how different this world would be and knowing that we like everyone else

desire well-being and happiness we all have that in common i don’t think anybody wakes up in the morning says i

don’t want to be well i want to be shitty today i want to be sad and miserable so in this way we all have

this in common and we can remember this when we see someone having a bad day or we’re having a bad day or we fall short

of our goals and expectations and also celebration too when things

are calling for celebration because it’s really challenging to be upset at something when we’re celebrating it

tying back into resolutions so we can resolve and intend for well-being and happiness for

ourselves and others can invite that in use the for right efforts to promote

this as well and that’s week two december 2021 month for the

parameter challenge wholeness and welcome this is josh deppel from integrating presence and today

is mindfulness of speaking and the description for this event

i’ve got is it true is it kind is it necessary is it helpful is it the right

time we’ll explore these guidelines for wise and skillful speech and share stories

challenges insights and do some practices so this is also going to double as the

parameter challenge that i’ve done one podcast on for the previous three

months and i’ll just fly through that real quick reading what’s

of that pertaining to this and happened to line up so this is week

three the fourth month of the parameter challenge that deals today’s topic the

10 non-virtuous and 10 virtuous actions divided into the unwholesome and

wholesome with speech so number four is false speech or lying

contrasted with speaking only what is truthful five is harsh words

contrasted with speaking with the tone of gentle caring six divisive speech and slander

contrasted with harmonious unifying speech seven idol speech and gossip contrasted with

discuss beneficial topics it’s also one of the 58 bodhisattva vowels which i haven’t

taken but i’m interested in studying them it’s fourth don’t lie or engage in wrong speech and um this is from the brahmas

the brahma’s net sutra prohibit prohibition on intentional lying my disciples if you engage in lying on your

own encourage others to lie or lie through deception then you are involved in the causes of lying conditions of

lying the methods of lying in the act of losses also includes saying that one has

seen what one has not seen saying you have not seen something you have seen or lying implicitly their

bodily actions are within one’s own mind bodhisattvas always give rise to right

speech right views and also lead all sentient beings to practice right speech

and right views if on the other hand you lead sentient beings to wrong speech wrong views and wrong activities this

constitutes the bodhisattva project offense and then the fourth

major precept prohibits false speech disciple the buddha must not

himself engage in false speech encourage others to do so facilitate false speech nor may he involve himself in the causes

conditions methods or karma of false speech to the extent of saying that he has seen what he has not seen he has

never seen what he’s actually seen or lying through physical or mental deeds a bodhisattva should always maintain

proper speech and proper views and lead all other beings to maintain them as well if instead he causes all beings to

give rise to deviant karma he thereby commits a bodhisattva offense and that’s those are really the

last two paragraphs are very similar in language so we’ll come back to some of that stuff

i will probably put some stuff under a microscope here but just know that when we speak

and it’s coming from a place of kindness and care that usually supersedes all

this other stuff that i’m gonna mention it’s um really quite simple

um can be but just for thoroughness sake i’ll dive into this so one of the things

around that’s happening i think i’ve noticed and maybe somebody has to

um it’s the millennial texting with the millennial generation and

you know i think i’ve even seen people that are sitting right next to each other instead of speaking to each other

they’re texting each other right and so this has just become a culture if i had

to take a wild guess i would say texting takes a level of intensity

out of interaction perhaps you know it’s closely interwined with

our devices as well now there can be you know emotional charge interwoven within text but

sometimes it’s not coming directly with the person they’re texting you know it could be something that’s

recently happened or something that’s happened in the past um you know there could be so many things

that go into like emotionality and emotional charge around texting um

so it’s it’s really complex i know i have challenges when texting of misinterpretation

both ways of what’s what i’m getting as a text and what i’m sending

out sometimes i read way more into what the text is

or sometimes yeah i misinterpret it and then my response is off you know um

today speaking um i used to not see this so much but now it’s obviously become more apparent

that there can be a lot of pain involved in speech especially people you know acting out things that have

been done to them usually when somebody says something hurtful or negative or

whatever harm is done spoken to us and things we

rightfully say to others it’s usually a reflection of what’s already been done to us

and so this is kind of the victim victimizer cycle so when we’re not aware that what others say to us really

doesn’t have much at all to do with us it it’s showing us where the other person is at on their path

and what’s been done to them both you know negative and positive

and so becoming aware of that and where we have a choice to break these victim victimizer cycles in this victim

programming in victimizer programming and also victim shaming too that’s another thing

um of course the most obvious is when people lash out with speech um

i’m sure we’ve all done that as well because a lot of us are just going through so much pain it’s almost like a

an outlet and so and as well as anger so it can be a double-edged sword you know some people

deal with it by just shutting down and sometimes that could be the most helpful

thing for a little while instead of hurting others but then if we internalize it

then we can hurt ourselves too so it’s about finding a space in a way to

release what’s saying in a skillful way in a skillful environment

with friends maybe with professionals just with practice even maybe monologuing like

this i don’t know so my um i’ll just share some of my background with this

i guess maybe in high school maybe even grade school i wasn’t really comprehending why people weren’t

paying attention to what i was saying and it finally dawned on me they were paying more attention to how it was

being said and it seems so you know obvious now but it’s even more noticeable

when um someone is speaking very emotionally um and they’re really heated and it can

also be when clinging to views and opinions and ideas like i used to do even more so than now right

and so and realize especially people that identify more with emotions they’ll tend to pay

just as much if not more attention to the conveyance and the emotion behind the words than the actual content itself

right um to this expression and another thing i used to abuse speech by

just you know kind of having a decent grasp of the english language and using

it to really not respect its power but only using it for to gain influence

and um well gain and influencing people and so um you know like the silver

tongue right and away with words and so this and so that’s kind of an underlying

thing of uh there was at that point there was really no notice of um an emphasis on non-harming

okay so a lot of times also be quick to speak because we don’t want

to or at least i know in my experience that um i don’t want to look like i don’t know or i’m stupi or i’m stupid or

something or not helpful so sometimes i will just forget to say oh well i don’t really know here’s my best guess i’ll

just jump into just saying whatever in order to look intelligent or

come off as not stupid or not helpful so i’ll just kind of jump in

and say something and then i guess there’s the opposite where people are kind of more standoffish and maybe

indifferent to um something they they possibly could help out but for whatever reason

they just are indifferent towards it another thing that happens quite

regularly in my experience is i will forget significant key points and what i’m trying to say and then i

remember later and then um wondering if i should go back and say that now sometimes you know

it comes into where okay yeah i really need to go say that because it will completely

change what i really meant to say but it was an oversight or you know something wasn’t remembered and then it was but

then a lot of times you go back and you say that they’re like well i don’t even remember you know what you were saying

and then so it’s like we put sometimes too much emphasis can be said but other

times it’s like oh we just blow stuff off and then where we could easily you know it wouldn’t take but a second to go

back and go back and backtrack and um clear things up say things more wisely

skillfully and kindly or just things that have been forgotten okay so now i’m going to talk a little

bit about public speaking so this might not apply to too many people but i’m sure we’ve all had to do some kind of

public speaking and whether a job or school or maybe we’re considering more of it or whatever

i had um i worked in online marketing for a while and i was behind the scenes um you know organizing and editing

podcasts and whatnot promoting them and i was pretty much i would i mean

would have never considered going in front of a camera or a microphone i mean just i don’t know if it terrified me i

just maybe i don’t know i really didn’t have much interest in it at all i was just content with uh just

you know doing the behind the scenes work one of the things that was really awkward was hearing my own voice played

back and i’m sure we’ve all experienced this too and it’s interesting just to hear your own voice played back

and what kind of response and reaction we have to that and

now it’s almost like okay there’s a lot of room for improvement

and that’s okay it’s just being okay with stuttering and stammering a lot of us

and oz and you know so i mean that helps me in one way but in another way it’s like

okay well maybe there needs to be more practice with this um [Music]

you know in order to improve on that aspect and then also now you know um it’s more

of a spiritual ego than an inferior or superior ego so now you’ve got things

like balancing well you know as long as i have this intention of not harming then it’s

pretty much all okay i can just either be guided or

trust that whatever i’m gonna say is just gonna come out and it’s what’s meant to be said and so there’s that

side with okay am i being a little bit overly loose

with speech and so then i start over regulating self-censoring and putting all my speech

in actions and intent under a spiritual microscope and just process process process

instead of just trusting so there’s that dynamic and then when it comes to actual recording itself there’s some days where

when i do recordings offline that aren’t live i can get kind of into a meditative state and i just talk

very slow and deliberately and can take long pauses of depletion

until the next dawning of realization happens right and

then in the editing there’s this thing where you can remove silences so you can you know

get kind of almost where you want to be you can represent

yourself that you wouldn’t normally represent in just kind of other modalities or

other situations or places in life and so you could take like a 20 minute recording and cut it down maybe by a

half or two thirds with the silences removed um so another thing is you know how much

time do do we have in a public speaking so that’s obviously going to

affect how maybe anxious we’ll get to get through everything or if we’ll just

you know there’s there’s so much with that right so are we going to just speed up and try

to get everything done just say yeah skip it just got to stop here

so what amount of relaxation needs to be involved but which amount of energy i

tend to be a little more animated a little more energy when speaking and

you know but some people they’re really kind of

you know grasping for words and i can be like that too on some days right it’s like oh the brain just

mind isn’t really kicked in yet and kind of oh you know what’s the right word here and

[Music] am i slowing down too much right um

locking up freezing up but usually performance anxiety things like that and of course

identifying the words that

may serve us better and an audience better to be more mindful of when they’re spoken

spoken like for me there’s um’s like uh

ah you know right so

so so there’s a balancing act between doing those and how much emphasis do we

want to put on that so if we put a lot of emphasis on okay those are my challenges

and then we put so much energy into oh that you know these are so negative i should

just oh why do i do this and so we have we build up this energy in this mindset

of the things that we have challenges with with speech and then

that will seem to come across even more so when we speak right and so we can

become unconscious of those challenges but they’re still there

amplified right so sometimes we don’t realize those that unconsciousness is amplified so

when we go back and listen to how we talk it seems like if they weren’t as amplified they’re not as noticeable so

it’s okay if you do a little bit of stuttering uh um like but when i start to make a big deal out of it right

that’s when it becomes even more noticeable so it’s balancing that with okay well how do we

work on that without denying it and also

you know not giving it too much energy okay so the buddha’s guidelines

for speech um is it true is it kind is it necessary

is it helpful and is it the right time what is the priority what is our

priority for this these five things in general like if you summed up

your speech or speech speech in general you know which one of these comes to the top of the list of

which one i’m feel confident and succeeding at and which one needs a little more attention and then we can

also do this in certain situations because certain situations some might have more precedence over

others so with the truth one you know for me that’s always been

um i guess maybe uncommonly that’s been not a thing with me i would just

other than when other people can detect when they’re you know just kind of not really respecting

truth and little white lies and um you know even bsing and stuff like that

at a certain point especially if you can’t tell they’re doing that

and then other you know that gets there’s a fine line there because we can say things that lack other truths right

you can say something that’s true but you’re deliberately leaving out another part

of something truthful that’s vital that would also be kind to the other person

necessary for the other person helpful and it would be timely right um

so why it’s still accurate in one sense it’s not the full thing but then you balance

that with okay well how long am i gonna have to stay here to give the entire truth are we gonna be like in a court of

law where i have to just go through everything so again that’s where discernment comes in

some miscellaneous things there’s this acquaintance who just

yeah i guess one of my trick he just seems to love the sound of his voice it’s almost like when public speaking it’s

just like on a stage and oh listen to the golden

sound of my voice it’s so amazing and i have everybody’s attention just

captivated listening to me and it’s very important and of course i’m being sarcastic to um

illustrate a point here but you know so why does that trigger me there’s these teachings in spirituality

about things being a mirror right and you know kind of the negative part of that well would say oh well that’s what

you’re you’re showing what you um what you need um to work on or you know

that’s you being reflected back to you and well maybe i’m not gonna say it’s

totally wrong i like this tweak on it by saying what we notice in

others is what we’ve already addressed in ourselves so see how there’s kind of a

slight more positive or at least neutral thing instead of using it as a um

reward and punishment system this mere mere teachings and you know eventually it can get to a

point where we can see other people reflecting back our own light

so that’s kind of like a higher version of the mirror teaching i would think you know for that you would just be um

possibly you know um kind of a self respect and you know um

wanting honor um confidence perhaps

another thing is it was a time where i’d be joining groups and i would be just kind of foisting

unrequested wisdom in real life on people and just kind of dominating the group and it

easily caught up to me and you know for whatever reason some people aren’t ready to hear certain things some people are

don’t have the tools and um and a way to manage your

manage or address or how to deal with something that would come up possibly sharing certain things

one of the great things about insight timer in the wisdom app is that it can be in just online general is we can

share and not you know uh force it on someone and if someone’s interested they can

come to the platform instead of me going out and just you know being like a manic street

preacher or something yeah and then also especially in real life is not sharing

wisdom unless it’s specifically requested and this is a really hard thing for me to come to terms with

because you know the masculine just wants to jump in and fix everything right or okay i’ve got all this wisdom here here’s what you need to i still

struggle with this i can see this this this and so another suggestion is you go and

you actually practice what you would advise somebody else to do even more so before you would advise them over i

think it was over thanksgiving something came up and i was talking it’s kind of a challenging thing to say and

my dad came in and he said josh you need to think a little bit more before you talk so much and i said right away yes i

agree thank you it really just kind of um cut the tension of what was going on

and then my mom actually said this today though she said it’s maybe a little personal so i

probably but i’ll just say it anyway she says why do i need to think before i speak

you know why can’t i just talk and i won’t say that who that’s in reference to or whatever

but you know this speaks to righteousness you know this is

this is a righteous sometimes a indignation um but it’s just kind of me being

righteous just saying that too right so this it brings to mind some people have to walk on eggshells to

say something you know can there be an ease with saying things but also

you know with this freedom of speech we have it also carries a big

responsibility so i think it’s balancing that because they’re like i said earlier

repression versus excessiveness we can shut down and repress we want to say but there’s the other end of where

just speaking excessively and compulsively too right

steve says i find those transition words so right are not even noticeable unless

spoken very often when a person never uses them it’s even more distracting

that’s interesting yeah when a person never uses them then it’s more it’s even more distracting so that’s interesting i

have to pay more attention to that when people usually don’t do them and then all of a sudden maybe they’ll come in there and

um you know throw those in maybe just uh to match who they’re talking to to make them feel more comfortable or something

um one of the practices here is um reading neutral text with the main intention to

hear your voice so actually the content will be secondary to what’s going on in your

experience so if we read a script then we can focus on other aspects besides

the meaning trying to put together what we’re going to say next you know thinking about what’s been said you know

all this stuff what they’ve said before what i said in the past how are they going to perceive this

on and on and on so if we read a script then we can pay more attention to kind of how we’re speaking and kind of

our own experience of just letting words out that we can also read something very charged and contrast it with something

read neutrally there’s something called contract revocations and possibly i’ll link those in the show notes

if i do if i include this portion and a podcast which can really get lit up with uh emotions

so i’ll just read this is a suita here and this is actually kind of beautiful

monks are practitioners there are these five aspects of speech by which others may

address you timely or untimely true or false affectionate or harsh beneficial

or unbeneficial with the mind of good will or with them with inner hate

they may address you with what is true or what is false they may address you in an affectionate way or a harsh way they

may address you in a beneficial way or an unbeneficial way they may address you with a mind of good will or inner hate

in any event you should train yourselves our minds will be unaffected and we will

say no evil words we will remain sympathetic to that person’s welfare with a mind of good

will and with no inner hate we will keep pervading him with an awareness imbued

with goodwill and being with him we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness

imbued with goodwill abundant expansive immeasurable free from hostility free

from ill will this is how you should train yourselves suppose that a man were to come along carrying a hoe and basket

saying i will make this great earth be without earth he would dig here and

there scatter soil here and there spit here and there urinate here and there saying be without earth be without earth

now what do you think would he make this great earth be without earth no lord why is that because this great

earth is deep and enormous it can’t easily be made to be without earth the man would reap only

a share of weariness and disappointment in the same way monks or practitioners there are these

five aspects of speech by which others may address you timely or untimely true or false affectionate or harsh

beneficial or unbeneficial the mind of good will or within or hate others may address you in a timely way or in an

untimely way they may address you with what is true what is false they may address you in an affectionate way or a

harsh way they may address you in a benef a beneficial way or an unbeneficial way they may address you

with the mind of good will or with inner hate in any event you should train yourselves our mind will be unaffected

when we say no evil words we will remain sympathetic to that person’s welfare with a mind of good will and with no

inner hate we will keep pervading him with an awareness imbued with good will and beginning with him we will keep

pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with goodwill equal to the great earth abundant

expansive and measurable free from hostility free from real will this is high in yourself

and speaking you know the inverse of that is well what are we listening to what are we taking in you

know are we listening to like really crappy programming on television

or media right a lot of times we wouldn’t listen to something

it’s flipping that in and saying well do we want to be putting out something that isn’t beneficial that isn’t helpful that

isn’t timely that isn’t true that isn’t kind the timely thing is interesting i don’t

think that gets mentioned enough it’s just like you wouldn’t really kind of bad-mouth somebody at a funeral right or

gossip about them and say how all the bad things they did like right next to their immediate family at their funeral

it just doesn’t seem timely i guess well it’s also it’s also unkind and you know

even this talk it’s uh maybe there might have been a more beneficial talk uh closer to christmas time speaking when

people aren’t really focused as much on speaking i would think as all the other stuff going on maybe caroling or

something but so this is more experimental uh for a practice so can we identify our

challenges with being down on ourselves and then just start talking focusingly

mainly on them so we identify what where we think we have challenges where we feel we have

challenges in our speech make it in an intent maybe in regular conversation instead of

focusing so much on how we usually go about our speech in the background now this is

challenging you might have to do this with a friend focus on those challenges see

when they start to come up uh what our response is to them and so we can put more

maybe emotional energy mental energy into those challenges just kind of like

a laboratory to study them through our speech i know it’s kind of challenging so for me it would be like

just talking and now just focusing on whether i’m going to say um

like ah you know right in other stutterings however i

won’t waste your time by just getting ready to say uh right

there said right again so probably need to practice my own suggestions

before i um um ask others to do the same so it’s an idea

perhaps i’ll practice that and share it at some other point in time

and then again re-enter anything this point of how much do we want to amplify this unskillfulness

and these perceived challenges and then how much are we going to

balance that with not being in denial about them being conscious about them too so

and maria says this talk is very timely especially right before the holidays where i can practice being more skillful

with kinds of course yeah i stand corrected because of course we’re all going to be socializing around the

holidays maybe some people are already there and have got all their preparations made of course that’s

that’s a no-brainer right way under my radar thank you uh sam i found it effective to work on my throat

chakra and area i’d recommend others looking to yeah and that’s another thing there’s um

like generational trauma in my family around the throat and neck like broken necks or well a broken neck

not for me but um thyroid conditions spots on the thyroid

uh throat cancer was one so yeah plenty of that stuff

not to mention just harshness and the connection between um the head and the heart right that’s

the bridge um some people not expressing enough some people expressing um very

unskillfully unwise and communication right yeah i mean um even if it’s non-verbal communication

that’s how we’re in relationship in the world not just to others but to all kinds of things especially with

ourselves a brief addendum here on the omitted decisive speech in

slander balanced with harmonious unifying speech

or maybe not balanced so much as abandoning one for the other and how

relevant is it to completely forget about unifying speech in the united states the

united states not the divided states however it seems almost more accurate

these days to be a divided states divided amongst ourselves divided within

ourselves in this country how many times do we or at least i know i do

prioritize certain views opinions agendas

preferences in doing so in a righteous or entitled way or maybe even

just out of pain lashing out maybe doing what’s been done to us doing what’s been

done to me before and so we lose sight of concord unification togetherness maybe some call

it oneness more accurately i find interconnectivity

interconnectedness interrelated unable to exist in a vacuum

for long anyway and so what can we do to bring more concord to speech how can we

unite instead of divide how can these choices be made and how can we choose the opposite how

can we choose not to cause polarization division separation alienation conflict

pushing people away and apart elevating some over another compartmentalizing this and that as it’s

desired or needed or fitted to how we feel things ought to be

our preferences and how do we not get down on ourselves and beat ourselves up

when we fall short while resolving intending concord unification and also

noticing what effects unifying speech has on ourselves and

others and noticing the opposite where we can see and know in this

life we have now and that’s week three for december 2021

of the parameter challenge month four with the parameter challenge december 20

21 this is from the ten abodes stages four through seven i’ll read these and

the brief description or explanation and then we’ll come back to them individually

number four the abode of producing virtues we abide peacefully in the principle of quote

unquote no self where the seed natures are purified five the abode of being

endowed with skillful mean we abide in innumerable good roots

and use expedient mean to aid in the view of emptiness number six the abode

of correct mind we abide in the completion of the wisdom of emptiness as

found in the prajna paramita suttas 7 the abode of no backsliding we abide

wherein one does not retrogress from the experience of the three gates of

liberation wishlessness signlessness and emptiness within all

four of these the common theme is emptiness and i’ve likely mentioned this before

some of the things i’m ready to talk about maybe some new things as well

so in pali it’s sanskrit

from pronouncing this right they’re often translated like i said as emptiness stillness even heard maybe

light of presence and i offer this up maybe in addition to those or

maybe this would be more accurate for some similar notions of senuta i don’t

know but how about this impending immediacy

so i’ll just leave it at that without really going into explanation now maybe if that deserves unpacking later

that will happen then so i always wonder empty of what empty if if something if there’s

emptiness that means there’s been some emptying done right but what’s been emptied out

and what remains i’ve heard some of the teachings on emptiness are really only encouraged to

practice study and contemplate these this concept maybe this truth this notion of

emptiness only when we’re in a very stable gathered and collected in a unified

state of being and state of mind because it has the possibility to

destabilize to scatter to fragment and to divide

the mind in being potentially however with my understanding if there’s

some stability to be able to look at this then a deeper truth

about reality can be seen in this notion of emptiness so one way we can investigate this

is by investigating phenomena and whatever phenomena has experienced we can keep

going behind behind behind and so something is presented and then well what’s behind

that their investigation maybe get an answer and well then what’s behind that and behind that and behind that

underneath that underneath that underneath that and i’ll just leave that there without coming up with any

conclusions for you to try for yourself and also beyond beyond beyond

some more in instead of the more deconstructive taking away method

the going beyond so what lies beyond beyond beyond and this ties right into the

third one or the sixth one here biting in the contemplation of the wisdom of the emptiness found in the

prajnaparamita sutras so there’s a culminates in the line

kategate paragate and have a couple translations here but

i’m not really fond of either one gone gone everyone gone to the other shore awakening

[Music] are gone gone gone beyond gone utterly beyond enlightenment hail

i don’t know about this word hail it’s just kind of a kind of an awkward um

unused phrase in current english especially at the end of a sentence but anyway you kind of get the idea

so mentioning previously this emptying version i recently heard

it was gail franstel when speaking on the shorter discourse on emptiness

the suta he looked at emptiness as a verb of emptying

so this process or act of emptying instead of looking at it

like a thing another thing objectifying emptiness which is kind of

contradictory maybe a misnomer so this process of well what’s extra what’s not needed

and what is the relationship like for emptying do we take it as grief and loss

lack or is it a clearing a releasing a freeing an unbinding

and shedding off of that which no longer serves us or those we love especially in

the long term perhaps another concept to explore with emptiness is

essence so can we really tune into an unchanging

static essence of anything that can be captured

and reproduced just the way we like it for as long as we like it and i would say

probably not in the long run that i know of but how much do we try to do something like this to really pin

something down and say that’s the way it is or i i know this i’m going to get

exactly what i want from this and act on the way that i want and this is

going to have the certain outcome that i desire and then well we might be able to do that for a while but is that a

long-term solution for happiness i don’t know i invite you to investigate that for

yourself a little vague and it would help to illustrate this with

specific examples but maybe you can use our imagination here

our memory our theory on real life examples of that well one way

is expectations right if let’s say your expectations are met

is that going to really provide ultimate lasting happiness or is it just going to be on to the next expectation

under the guise of oh that might do it for me really or maybe if i can just get enough expectations met in a certain

amount of time then then that’ll do it and i can just keep that up

and so that turns kind of into micromanaging with a lot of energy

and of course not all of our expectations are always met and then we’re not aware of that truth then there

can be disappointment let down this kind of deluded thought that it

should have went one way but it didn’t go that way and so we don’t realize that we that’s not a

lasting long-term strategy for satisfactoriness

and just think for a moment if you would get your way all the time then how boring would that be where would

their low growth and learning be in that okay so another notion of emptiness is

unbalance that can come with this misunderstanding notion of having carte blanche because

nothing is really real and substantive so what does it matter what happens or anything i do or

anything happens it’s all empty there’s you know there’s there’s nothing to it

so i you know what what does anything matter just kind of this nihilistic misunderstanding

and you know maybe that is on an ultimate level but until i get there we get there you know this

doesn’t that kind of line of thought doesn’t really apply you go you know you get pulled over by

authority or you come in with authority and you start saying something like that see how that’s gonna you know how how

that’s gonna help you out probably not too much or anybody else around you and then there’s also this unbalance of

the inferior ego because of this notion of oh i’m insignificant i’m less than i’m

everything’s futile nothing i do matters nothing matters this kind

of small me which is actually still an ego and this is a

not a helpful wise or skillful view of life and reality in the world

and of this notion of self we have but sometimes it doesn’t

help either to just say condemn somebody for having this few either right

so how do we convey that and resolve that and turn towards

a more helpful view so this is this lovely quote by the

sargadatta maharaja something like wisdom tells me i’m nothing love tells

me i’m everything between these two my life flows i just love the truth of that so another

notion of emptiness is like this womb-like nature a womb where something

is born from where sometimes it can be empty of

life and sometimes it can be incubating um

growing preparing for life to launch into this world right

not like a dot-com so much but we all understand this right to some degree anyway

and then when investigating emptiness consider pairing it with non-emptiness because

without exist the way existence is now how it is now how would we know one

without the other how would we know emptiness without non-emptiness and then

what kind of reference points do we have for emptiness i think the most the classic example i can think of is a a

cup being full filled and full and then it being turned and emptied out

so or once it held water or liquid of some sort now

after it’s been emptied and becomes emptied it becomes empty so now going back to each individual one

number four the abode of producing virtues we abide peacefully in the principle of no self where the seed

natures are purified the abode of producing virtues we pretty much know

what an abode is it’s a kind of a living place a dwelling place a location where

one abides and producing virtues so virtues will just kind of maybe sub out

goodness that can be put into action kind of like a value or an ethic that can be

played out in real life and also as an ideology but i guess the question

is can these be produced don’t they inherently exist aren’t they there so

they really need producing or perhaps they need kind of more realizing knowing

and then implementing but i guess it can be said that okay if they’re not there then they need to be

brought into being and that could be a production of sorts this word of

production has these kind of like mechanistic capitalistic

maybe the bad parts of capitalism anyway are the um unhelpful parts of capitalism it’s

machine-like nature of production so i don’t know if maybe i’m reading too much into that but

i like exemplifying virtues or realizing virtues would be a preference

and then we abide peacefully in the principle of no self where the seed natures are purified so we abide

peacefully that’s pretty straightforward in principles so in the principle of no self so this might have been also said

before but if something is true does it need to be a principle or what are principles and then of course i prefer

not self to no self because not everybody can immediately see

a no-self right tell people oh um who are you

oh there’s no self okay what are you talking about but not self

is more of like a strategy can we really pin down a self this has been gone over before so if you

investigate what we normally take for self as five aggregate five aggregates of body

feeling or hedonic tone perceptions synchara

perhaps fabrications or formations volitional formations

mental formations and then the last one is consciousness and then

further look into those by each one saying well am i the body do i own the body

is the body in me am i in the body so after investigating all those and

coming to the knowledge you have of those now what exactly is a self of course we have some

kind of notion that’s how we navigate the world so um in one respect there’s a

you know there’s a self this i i call josh you know i that’s what you know i go through the world and

that’s um people call me josh i’m josh and you know in one respect that’s that but if you go

deep deep deep into it none of those things they’re they’re not self so it in the respect that um they’re

always the same and that we have control over all those different aspects of it okay so circular spiral spiraling back

around to the rest of this we abide peacefully in the principle of no self where the seed natures are purified so

again i think the seed natures are are a mahayana term about a layer

consciousness and i’m still very unclear of course you know a seed contains within it all the

i guess instructions or information to grow the full plant within that given

the right causes and conditions but you know where are these

how do we pin them down how can we investigate these especially with our the current state of consciousness and

conditions for investigating something like this you know why are these why is this concept um

so important especially that it’s its own delineation of consciousness and then this notion of

purity so obviously we can see certain things on a relative level that are cleaner than

other things that have more purity levels than contamination levels

but how are seed natures purified if something’s truly natural in its natural state

what needs to be purified and what doesn’t and who’s to say or what’s to say

um what does or doesn’t and how does this notion of no self

self and no self not self come into seed natures and purification we abide

peacefully in the principle of no self for the seed natures are purified so if i had to guess what this means is if we

don’t have this entrenched story notion and solidification of a i am this

me this is who i am this is the way it is and that’s just how it is without you

know questioning or being open to looking deeper then that can potentially

cause problems and so maybe the longer we keep that notion and keep

reinforcing that notion and disseminating that notion like a seed

then we plant those seeds and then they have a potential to

either bear bad fruit or not sprout at all and not be helpful

so maybe that one is meant by seed natures and then so if we give that up

those entrench stories and notions then perhaps

that’s how they’re purified by not clinging to a fixed notion of self this is who i am

this is how it is this is mine i’m made of this so when we can lessen

those bonds then there’s a type of purification that takes place okay number five the abode of being endowed

with skillful means we abide in the innumerable good roots and use expedient

means to aid in the view of emptiness the abode of being endowed with skillful

me so endowment means right you’re given something you’re something is bestowed upon you if

i’m getting that right skillful means it’s pretty straightforward like um there’s certain

ways a goldsmith would operate that will produce a

beautiful finished piece of gold and whatever is being done like a piece of jewelry or

um an adornment on some other object and there’s ways that could happen where

that wouldn’t be the outcome or the case at the end so so are we actually endowed with these skillful means

well some people would say yes there’s a certain degree that you’re born with certain

talents and proclivities and predisposition towards certain things

perhaps because of genetics maybe if you’re into previous lives and maybe you’ve already

had tons and tons of practice and training for that but that gets into

well is it really endowed or is it come by um

association by associating with people who will support and nurture and foster

those things and or has there been a lot of effort

and desire to develop skills so that’s the question i have with the being endowed with skillful and then we

abide in innumerable good roots and use expedient means to aid in the view of

emptiness this whole notion of abiding in roots that’s really interesting right so i love this notion of roots how it’s

kind of underground and dark yet it’s a huge support and necessary part

for the rest of the plant this spreading out this absorption

being able to take in nutrients goodness while still completely

in the dark so what would a bad root be well you know there’s the poison roots

which i think is more accurate than bad roots of creed ill will

and ignorance or delusion and the good roots are the opposites of those so

generosity loving kindness wisdom so innumerable good roots all of that it’s

kind of expands on those so i guess it’s just variations of those there’s all kinds of

other good qualities too i would suppose and use expedient means to aid in the view of emptiness this notion of

expedient means kind of comes back to this impending immediacy but there’s also expedient means there’s also this

notion of spiritual urgency so yes we can use quickness and speed without being in

a hurry that’s possible i would like to know what these expedient means might be

and if there’s a also an upside to having slower means

or if both can be possible and the view of emptiness it’s interesting how it’s mentioned as a view here so when would

be skillful to use a view of emptiness and when would it be skillful not to view

have a view of emptiness or once it’s fully realized how would that affect things okay number six the abode of

correct mind we abide in the completion of the wisdom of emptiness is found in the prajnaparamita sutras sutras so i

haven’t read all these i just pretty much heard the the heart sutra which includes um what i’ve gone over before

here the kategate paragate bodhiswaja

gone gone gone beyond going utterly beyond enlightenment hail so it’s it’s hard for me to

comment on the completion of the wisdom of emptiness found in those sutras because that would take a lot of study

and commentary to go over um just trying to verbalize um the penetration and

knowledge and realization of the wisdom contained there and so you know how do you really talk about abiding in the

completion of that i guess you can point at it but more than likely it would be an exemplification and

state of being how we conduct ourselves in life that would show and abiding in that wisdom

and also in actions and speech and thought of those so that is the abode of correct mind right

right view right intention what am i missing here basically the wisdom part okay number seven well

before that correct mind so what would be an uncorrect mind right or non-correct mind and of course

i don’t know if anybody really can just give a definition of mind that’s

just immediately apparent and realizable to everybody everywhere it’s

a kind of a complex thing to say the least but i’m not saying it’s not possible it’s just kind of out of

the scope of this podcast to define correct mind and expound on the wisdom

of emptiness and the prodigal parameters anyway seven the abode of no backsliding we

abide wherein one does not retrogress from the experience of three gates of liberation wishlessness signlessness and

emptiness so we’ve gone over the emptiness quite a bit so i’ll just set that aside for now and i’ve kind of

mentioned the wishlessness and signlessness before about this notion of self no self not self and how

um having views of the solid self and having

things remain the way we want them in the long term is a set up for disappointment

or at best just keep self-perpetuating so that’s the what leads to dukkha

and tuka has stress or unsatisfactoriness and so when we see that nothing really

can provide lasting satisfaction in the long run at least in this world the worldly realm then we don’t get so

attached to our wishes and so it’s okay if things come it’s also okay if things don’t come so

this wishlist this this non-devastation

for not having our preferences met what we really want

not getting what we want getting what we don’t want the emotional charge tends to leak out of

that and where we really yearned and wanted something so bad before

lessons and where more wish can become less of a wish and not as big as a deal

doesn’t mean we still can’t have choices and preferences and you know make goals

achieve things but we’re not clinging to that or what happens or doesn’t happen

that’s the wishlessness signlessness this one i have more challenges of understanding this term but it goes to

a nietzsche the um this this notion that in constancy so

maybe a sign so we see a sign and it’s not exactly what it is it

represents something else right so one thing stands for another

one thing will inform us or we think it will inform us of what we need to do or don’t need to

do so what happens when signs lessen

and we come into seeing more of things the way they are instead of

representation or ideas of one thing again the story of living in story

instead of reality living in an interpretation of reality instead of direct reality so maybe we’ll just maybe

this is a bad example take a road sign so it will give directions to turn right

but if you actually go up to that sign maybe it’s made out of metal and you can

hit it with the hand it’ll make it a loud sound it has you know paint and

maybe an arrow on it maybe some letters in a language

and it’s a certain shape and it’s on a certain sign post and maybe it’s attached to another post

or the ground and so that would be kind of more of the reality of that sign

even though it may contain some kind of information and then prompting for a choice or

an order to follow or a recommendation to follow but the actuality of that sign

is one way is the physical description i gave so that would be maybe one notion of what is the actual

reality of that sign and what is our story about that sign or

what are we taking that sign to mean or b and what aren’t we

taking that sign to mean or b and how helpful is this or not

or what’s beyond and behind these things and how relevant

is that or could that be so yes we take the practicality of the information

and then in times of reflection we can realize there’s so much more

to existence and reality than a lot of times we’ve been taught or led to believe are the current capacity

that we have and instead of this being another thing to fall short of turn into a project

um strive or fail at it can be uh wow that’s amazing

how amazing so that’s week four of the parameter challenge december 2021

Published by josh dippold

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