(Knowing) Reality: In Conversation With “Beta Ray Bill” aka “Egg Drop”

Wholeness! This chat with “Beta Ray Bill” or “Egg Drop” in a noisy, but still listenable St Louis, MO area park gets into:

• story behind “Beta Ray Bill” [with a few errors on the Thor story as Beta Ray Bill informed post recording]
• expanding perceptions by temporarily suspending world views
• red pill (programs)
• Recent Cahokia Mounds articles blog post
• developing discernment
• discerning emotions
• fear
  • fear as illusion
  • fight or flight
  • feeling safe enough to feel and learn from fear
  • turning fear into opportunity
  • unscrupulous use of fear for control and war
• paranoia
• leveraging extremes to address polarity
• loving-kindness
• non-harm
• gift of fearlessness
• feedback, self-containment and discernment as tools to further the practice of non-harming
• non-aggression principle
• Second Amendment
• Gangster/Crony capitalism and competition as (subtle) harming
• cooperation
• disappointment with socially responsible investment funds and alternatives
• corporate favoritism and pushing aside Mom and Pop businesses
• change
• constants in equations
• three marks/characteristics of existence: inconstancy/impermanence, unsatisfactoriness, non-self
• how expecting to achieve lasting happiness by arranging and maintaining external conditions to our liking is a set up for stress and unsatisfactoriness in the long run
• logic and math as two tools among many for proving facts
• epistemology and empiricism
• approaching metaphysics with speculation, faith, and seeing and knowing for oneself
• curiosity
• knowing via the sense bases and if there’s anything beyond
• investigation
• the four roads to (spiritual) power
• IntegratingPresence.com open call for podcast submissions recordings answering “What is light? How do you know?”
• call for any corrections to/for this conversation

[NOTE: After spending hours editing I realized I likely did so with a version not recorded with a good mic, but with the built-in laptop mic by error. There’s a much higher quality backup version though. If interested in a better quality version to listen to, reach out and I’ll send the link to an unedited, unlisted YouTube version.]

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The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:

wholeness and welcome this is josh depold from integrating presents and today i have with me

a buddy and we’re just going to call him beta ray bill also aka

egg drop so i think maybe that that’ll be a good place to start what what the heck is

beta ray bill what’s that mean oh beta ray bill was a comic book character from

the marvel universe created by writer and artist walter simonson

for the time the uh the only character that was able to defeat um thor

and then thor’s hamel uh whoever defeats thor she’ll have the

power of thor so odin granted beta ray bill his own hammer called stormbringer

which is featured in the marvel yes cinematic universe but the character vader ray bill is not

and obviously it’s not in the norse mythology either right no and of course i i just thought

immediately of vader at beta ray or no uh beta member beta max that alternative that never took off to

vhs for any old-schoolers out there and then ray you know like there’s billy ray cyrus

you know and then let’s see uh well you know beta and now it’s the beta males right

we introduced me to people like neil cramer or just alternative uh ways of thinking

definitely different from the mainstream and one thing i really liked about neil kramer is his idea of

suspending your belief or your worldview for a time maybe even zooming out you maybe uh

see things from a different vantage point and maybe in that way you might be able to see maybe a fuller picture or a

bigger picture or would be on your way to uh see as many world records as possible

see all the angles if you will not to mean that you have to completely give up your current role people but

just to be able to suspend it for a while to maybe try to see

things in a different way without the filter of your current worldview and that’s what i was going to say i

mean the common term i guess now is red pilling right when um from the matrix v where

yes that’s that’s a great way to put it although that could be even another

program i guess but just all the different things in the world that are going on

that i guess are behind the scenes and connected on some of this that stuff too

now recently i published a article on my site

called cahokia mounds i’m sorry about cahokia mounds and

the first article is about what the lady star system

and the second article is actually pretty profound and um a lot of different

it’s hard for me to describe and i won’t go too much into it but if anybody’s interested i think egg drop here once would like to

talk about the first article which i’m totally mostly in agreement with

that there’s a lot of holes in it um what he did want to mention one

compliment is that you know tying back to my sight into great presence

that it is kind of about meditation and wisdom

and there’s a section on discernment different areas of study for discernment

and since i don’t have a formal dharma training um i don’t have any kind of

certification or whatever what i’ve done is i’ve opened myself up for criticism

and questioning of all sorts at all times and for whatever reason a lot of people

really haven’t done this so much and this is what i respect about beta ray bill here is that

he will come in and develop use the things we talk about and share

to develop his discernment and so while sometimes it can get a little heated and emotional

i really appreciate not only the opportunity to keep developing

discernment keeps me on my toes and keeps me accountable

and it helps refine what i’m sharing

enable for the quality to increase right so invite questions

investigation and discernment although there’s there’s more helpful guidelines for that than others

but again like i said just open floor so yeah if you want to jump into that or

anything else when it comes to trying to discern what

emotions are um something like fear i’ve heard that fear

is an illusion however if an illusion by a definition is

deception how can you really know how can you really know that fear it is

an illusion uh fear it seems to be an emotion that we all can um

identify even some animals feel fear and it might have to do with um salt

preservation when it comes to fight or flight mechanism so even though fear might have a

negative connotation i see it as maybe an essential for life to preserve itself

and to expand that’s interesting i guess the way i would put it

is the fight or flight that’s just like an inbuilt protection mechanism in our

nervous system for me fear doesn’t really that’s the

label we give it afterwards so if we’re actually fighting for our lives or run for our lives there’s

really much not much time to be in fear because you’re acting you’re either fighting or running for your lives now

the what i would what i would consider fear would be um when we don’t necessarily have to fight

for our lives or run for our lives but there’s this emotion or this kind of sense that we might need

to right so we’re not actually running or fighting but there’s this this kind of

overlay or this kind of sense that we might need to and even though it’s not

happening or really doesn’t need to happen because if it needed to happen it would be happening right

so that’s where that’s what i would consider fear now i would i would definitely agree that we can learn from

that and we can’t we can use that to help i mean everything’s an opportunity or can be turned into an opportunity

so um that i would totally agree with and i think it was just a semantic thing here

and i want to say that it’s not wrong to be in fear either um it’s definitely okay to be in fear and to feel it and

learn from it and grow from it you know because if somebody’s already in fear and you say well you shouldn’t be in

fear well a lot of times that can just add more or it could just add more

challenges on top of it already you know so i guess the the thing would be well how do we deal with

that how do we what do we do with that how do we actually how do we work with that in pract

practically in life for benefit and i say well one of the things would be to

know that you’re safe enough to feel the fear or go to a place where you’re safe enough to just feel that in the body and

experience that and ask it questions scrutinize it feel it but if it gets too overwhelming

then we need to call out to a friend put our attention on other objects that will distract

distract us in healthy ways put your attention on your feet to go for a walk

there’s all kinds of different ways to deal with it when it gets too overwhelming

when it comes to the idea of fear whether it’s an illusion or not

historically on a global scale it seems to have been some sort of power

that people have been able to tap into when i say people i’m talking about those who

have managed to have power over a significant

of people and to even cause them to go to war

with other groups of people using the idea of well we don’t want to lose our land to

these invaders and that argument may be being used on both sides saying if if

there were two countries at battle and um it’s something that

has been a tool that has never gone away in this

day and age or still wars all over the globe as well as

what might be seen as psychological wars is fear the energy or the motivator

behind that and because people may believe that fear is the real thing

is that cause for them to maybe given them to fear and when it comes to is it

possible to eradicate this history has shown us no although there’s

been plenty of um maybe uh spiritual insights that

you know there might be a coming of some sort of teacher that helped guide us into life for me that’s

still just a story but you know my my beliefs are are never

absolutely they change depending the information i’m exposed to and if

i am able to witness a change in fear somehow being

conquered or even controlled and bomb well well-being to all life on

earth is more predominant than changed my view

so the last part there real quick again you said if if something changes you’ll

change your view with fear is that which no meaning i’ll i will change my my view

of fear that you know it’s something that can be uh maybe put in chat okay so

i can just talk from personal experience but before i do that it is very common at least i see it

and i hear other people say the same thing that fear can be used as a control mechanism right when people are in fear

they want to they don’t want to be in fear and so somebody comes along and offers them a way to to to alleviate or

allay that fear then they will take some choices that they normally wouldn’t take right just because uh well it’s just a

common axiom that people are easier when they’re in fear and so people in power with less than

you know ideal intentions have used that like larry said and he gave the

gave the definition of war and

yeah for me personally

fear is uh and then we’ve got a park ranger or something

driving by here possibly fear-mongering no i’m just kidding

right so you know if anybody’s ever experienced paranoia

that’s like i guess it’s similar to fear but it’s like um in round two

another vehicle but the upside to paranoia i guess way i

would experience it or explain paranoia would be it’s like extreme fear

or it’s um it’s kind of like off the charts ridiculous amount of things but doesn’t

necessarily mean it’s wrong all the time either but one of the lessons i’ve heard that paranoia can teach is it can

can say to hey pay attention to your mind trying to get your attention listen

to me um one of the other things that can also teach is there needs to be a different choice

made here the way your way i’m going about this maybe i should not do that maybe i should choose a different way

and so you know unfortunately or fortunately in this system we have this polarity right so

for whatever extreme there’s the other extreme so one of the benefits i’ve found about

experiencing paranoia is that is like the extreme of fear so that’s as a reference point for how extreme it can

get so then you have the other opposite of the spectrum where you know

there’s just peace and love right and there’s fearlessness and so if you know the extreme of one

well then it’s it’s you only have one side of the spectrum to go from at that

point now i’m not recommending go you know straight out and try to get paranoid

just so they can have that as an experience to to become fearless you know that seems a little ridiculous

and actually that is really ridiculous however i guess it could be leverage towards fearlessness but i want to just

talk about maybe more of the standard ways to become fearless

to increase to become empowered and to become um you know

where fear isn’t a controlling mechanism as much so working with it and experience is is

great um for me i found loving kindness right as a as a formal practice and what this

does is it it become harmless to anything and everything so if you go out

of your way to not even harm a gnat or even something that’s inconvenient

like if the spider comes along and you have to move it take it outside or you know even going through vegetables

and there’s these little aphids on there that i could barely even see and it can’t really even tell if they’re

dead or not because they’re in a such a like a gorge state from eating

so these are organic vegetables by the way and that just means food is uh edible that it won’t kill the bugs you know so

it’s you know it’s good to eat uh so then you have to move these little aphids

see if they’re alive or not and then spend this extra time taken out but i mean that’s a little extreme maybe but

the point is the intent of non-harming and so when that happens we become we give this gift of fearlessness to

everyone around us right because they can sense that we’re not a threat and that we’re not going to harm and so

it gives them the space where they can take that pressure off of being guarded and um you know worried about oh is this

person out to do such and such you know and so when the intent comes it’s all about intent right because if you step

on an ant and you didn’t intend to kill it that’s that doesn’t belie that’s i mean it’s still death but you didn’t intend to kill it because if you would

have seen it and and you had the intent oh i don’t want to kill that you would surround it but this is like harmlessness

and it gives this gift where people are safe enough to open up and explore and

just you know talk about anything be any way they want come as they are be as they will

and and feel and feel sometimes whatever we’re going through is unpleasant and

knowing that it’s okay to to feel in face pain and again when it gets too overwhelming

there’s other strategies that can happen but so while now i’ve almost lost the entire

thread about was there specific about fear again well yeah i could add to that idea when it

comes to an individual’s intent to be harmless

we can have a certain level of control of that but we for the person who’s on the receiving end we can’t really

control how react um despite what you know the giver’s

intention for example someone might believe that it would be um

beneficial to somebody to maybe not to be on so many pharmaceuticals and maybe even point out that while your you know

side effects or possibly harm that you know the receiving person is experiencing um

from all these uh pharmaceuticals and it’s quite possibly for this person on the receiving end to interpret that and

become fearful so despite our a person’s good intentions we really do not have control over

another individual’s uh response and it’s it’s one of those things that

um maybe chance plays into you know it’s it’s uh the chance thing

i’m just gonna shelf but it’s a really good point of you know that’s why uh feedback and

dialogue is so important because you know what i feel might be non-harming to

someone actually might be harming so that’s why it’s also important to have open dialogue and feedback right and

also this idea of like self-containment too so there’s sometimes when i know that i can be around people and some of

their stuff can come up just automatically stuff they’re not ready to handle stuff they can get triggered by

real easily and so does it really do them any good for me to be around them at that point and so that’s when i just

need to step back and take but the the thing with the the the intent too right um

uh so yeah it this is uh this is a practice right it’s not like a commandment or it’s something we um it’s

said to check out in our own experience right to to see if it if we see benefits

from it it’s not like a thou shalt right right and uh i would say a possible um

uh maybe not a resolution but maybe a a way to move forward between this example

of a giver and a receiver is they might question their current

world views and may want to explore different ways of thinking

absolutely and that’s why you know one of the things i’ve always been blessed with since a young age is having more of

an open mind right so i mean sometimes i can get people in

trouble but a lot of times it goes for their benefit it’s like balance too now going back to the non-harming thing i

will say that i’m still in agreement with the uh what is it called the non-aggression principle

there might be a better word for it where people are obviously allowed to defend their lives and their loved ones

if they’re aggressed upon but they’re not really allowed to harm anyone else

but when their life is threatened and they have the right to protect themselves and their loved ones now for

me personally right now i’m i don’t have any you know immediate family like wife and

kids so this is kind of you know um i don’t have to deal with this situation so i can right

now so i um so i choose just non-harm all the way now i can’t recommend that for everybody

because everybody’s not ready to take such an extreme leap right away right because of whatever reason so um

you know beta ray bill here is a first generation american and i really

love his perspective on a lot of things that i’ve kind of lost perspective on in this country she comes at it from a

different place than a lot of people like circles i run in and um

so i still support fully second amendment i don’t want to get too

political here but even though i won’t own a gun or use one anymore i still support the right for other people to do

so primarily because usually what dictators do in other countries the first thing they do is confiscate

everybody and obviously we’re not going to go up against like the national armies or something you know little you

know sidearms and stuff but it’s a psychological thing right it’s it’s a psychological thing there that really

makes all the difference and it’s all about responsible use of it so i def

anybody who’s a responsible law abiding citizen that will use it just to protect and not initiate force

then you know eventually we’ll be at a state of consciousness where we won’t need i mean they’ll march these guns out

on like special days or something like on look how primitive we used to be you know there’s a gun people used it to

shoot things and it’ll be like a history lesson or something but unfortunately the state of

consciousness that we’re at now isn’t at that level and so i still feel they’re

they’re necessary to some degree for certain population members of people that are gonna you know be legit and

upsta upstanding with it so yeah i just wanted to to mention that

so wouldn’t be so throw some practicality things in there too and about building bridges from

you know where we’re at now to non-complete non-harm yeah when it comes to the idea of the

non-uh aggression principle it’s something i’ve been thinking about as in

it exists in the realm of ideas but can it really be implemented in our physical

reality again there may be the intent of not harming somebody but let’s say

from an economic standpoint we have business a and business b in free market capitalism

they are competing and if business a puts a product on sale

are they not trying to gain more customers and maybe even steal away

customers from business b now business b um has a shortage on on employees as well

as business a we’re offering well business b offers maybe a pyrome bonus

but business a doesn’t are is that not a competition

and does competition is it doesn’t necessarily have to be seen as

aggressive i i don’t know this is a fascinating question because when we get into harm and non-harmony there’s subtle

and subtler layers and gets subtler and subtler right and then when we start connecting you know certain business

activities with certain things too and connecting the money trails you know if there’s involvement in war gray markets

black markets it’s it’s just it gets really complicated really quick so this

is where it does kind of have to come to um i think more of an we say ideological

thing where we just have to do the best we can and not go too deep into it to where

we you know where it’s practical to analyze and when it’s not practical to

analyze it um but that is you know the the culture here in the states is

is or you know at least was and we’re kind of in transition period now built on competition it you know

i’m sure there’s some competition official but i’m thinking it’s time to explore the

this idea of cooperation you know that goes away from this um thing of

gangster capitalism where and now i don’t obviously don’t think socialism and communism is the

answer either because we don’t really have a true capitalism it’s it’s kind of gangster capital where you know it’s it’s like

growth for the sake of growth is the idea as the

ideology of the cancer cell right so if you’re just doing growth in because of

growth i don’t really see the point you know just to make shareholders money okay well you know

i i’m not saying you shouldn’t make money in business i mean that’s obviously what it’s there for but it’s

these cut throat practices you know these ethical things and then you get into the whole even more like they well

now they have these what social responses they say or i forget the exact term for and uh but

you know we talked about this before some of them are kind of joke i mean they will do kind of certain good things

but then you know the track record and the other things they’re involved with now i don’t know for sure so i mean

don’t hold me through this exactly but it seems like where there’s really

the opportunity to do good with investing in money is in private companies private equity where you can

individually vet the people in the business to to know their intentions and their their

goodness and their track record you know and

how they’re gonna play out but you know it’s a lot easier just to buy a stock right

um so that’s another thing i think that’s enough for now pass it over

oh when it comes to um free market capitalism i want to distinguish that from

what i would call crony capitalism meaning uh government’s support of corporations

especially and an example would be the pandemic now who decided that small businesses had to shut down yet

corporations stayed open um giving people you know a limited place

where to shop amazon.com as well as walmart target whole foods they probably made a lot

more money while mom and pops you know small businesses

even though they were provided with um a loan from the government and where

does the government get the money for loans well essentially they borrow it and it has to be paid back by uh future

taxpayers but for these small businesses to be shut down yet

corporations like walmart stayed open that would be my example of crony capitalism well not only that but

then you know there’s they have the corporate welfare i think some people call it right so but this has been in

the works for a long time right um constantly pushing out the small guy making you know barriers tougher making

um regulations more and more and consolidating all the wealth and

power into corporations we kind of know all this i’m not saying corporations are bad in

and of themselves it’s just kind of the way things are structured now and you know i was curious too about the um you

know if this was really about health so much why are the fast food places to stay open now i get it some people

are you know are hard to make ends meet and they don’t really don’t have the time to cook and

stuff um but you know it just doesn’t seem i don’t know i think that’s enough

to say about that so i’ve been contemplating this idea that everything changes and i can see

how it may work for a lot of things but i don’t see it as a blanket you know

you know universal truth for example change in my life is the the more i’m

exposed to ideas the more i may change my worldview but an example of things that

don’t change i think we can see in math for instance no matter how big this

recovers a circle is the diameter is always going to be half

the value or twice the value of the radius the number zero is always going to be

the number zero and so i’ve adopted this idea that although many things do change there’s

also uh things that don’t and it’s possible that these two

different ideas exist in our reality

it’s fascinating you know i never considered the uh with the the mathematical equations right so now this

is um just off the cuff here i probably ought to sit with this before i speak on it

but this is um yeah i don’t i think maybe what might be referred to is the

the three seals in bosom the dukkha and nietzsche anata right the um the um dukkha being stress

unsatisfactoriness and suffering and anicha

anata being not self and we will go into that because that’s the most kind of um subtle complex

i guess we could but the anita that’s what’s uh what’s commonly translated as

what is it um everything’s changes i mean was spoken to um uh what what has helped me out

with the word it’s commonly translated and permanent okay so i’m not really fond of that translation so

much either the way i i like to explain that word and then i’ll come back to the the equations here

is okay so trying to arrange things in our external

life conditions in our external lives the way we want them right have everything lined

up in life to how we want it and then that’s how we’re going to have lasting happiness i

mean we have this fallacy we think that if we only have you know the right bank account you know the

right living situation maybe a right partner um maybe having things go smoothly

have a daily routine so where you know i kind of know what to expect move through my life

fairly easily get accomplished what i need to accomplish and that’s gonna that’s gonna do it for me i’m gonna be happy that way well

yes to a certain degree however this is not this is not a solution a

long-term solution for happiness because in the long term it’s going to be

impossible to main maintain conditions exactly the way we want them right in

the long run so when we were we’re under this kind of delusion that we can maintain

external conditions the way we want them in the long run and that’s the way we’re going to achieve happiness

that’s kind of a set up for dukkha which is the the unsatisfactoriness

the stress and extreme persian suffering right and so um

so we’re kind of under this illusion or delusion that we can maintain keep

things the way we want so but all it really takes is just that recognition that that’s not possible and so when we

align with that truth that we can’t really maintain i know i’ve said that so many times now uh to

the way for external conditions the way we want them in the long run then we can just realize that when things happen in

life that’s you know that’s just the way this system is structured that you know we can’t have control of the time we

can’t have it a lot and that and because of this we can expand our worldview to see

that when we do see stress and unsatisfactoriness and suffering in the world that

it kind of ties into this idea that people are trying to do this and when they realize that that’s not

possible and then they get stressful and upset about it and whatever so

now going back to the things change so that’s that’s one of the reasons i don’t like the in impermanence translation of

that and so yeah there uh i’m sure there’s there’s there could be constants and stuff

now the mathematical stuff you know it’s it’s hard because that that is is is a born in the mind right

so there is no i mean i can’t go and pick up a zero right i can’t go pick up a math equation

holding my hand in physical reality i’m not saying it doesn’t exist because it exists in the mind right

now you know you get into deeper stranger things like well you know all there are there alternative realities or

other planes of existence where you know where we can experience things where

that equation doesn’t exist or maybe it exists in a different way and i think we’ve talked about different number

systems uh number based systems right we have in a tin based system and there might be a so i don’t that’s all beyond

my pay grade and maybe you losing people here but i mean uh perhaps you can put it in the way that kimura under you know

understood here i guess that’d be the way i look at it but so i’m not taking anything off the

table that’s not constant i think that you know it’s said in in buddhism if

there is enlightenment what happens you know this classic thing is there a self

when i’m or no is it will i exist after i’m enlightened won’t i exist after i’m

in life will i both exist and not exist after i’m enlightened or after there’s enlightenment or will i

neither exist nor not exist and i think the historical buddha said well none of

that even applies and so that like there’s just no reference point you know there’s no words there’s no for me

anyway i can’t you can only approximate that there’s really nothing that can be said and it really can’t be

understood by mere logic alone right so i think that’s plenty uh for that

for the time being yeah i just want to add that oh yes that the western system of logic you know

base and math is really just a tool that people have used to try to you know

prove facts where that might not be the only worldview that exists there’s

plenty of worldviews that are really dependent on the idea of logic and i just want to

be conscious of that there’s just so many different ways of thinking or perceiving

what may or may not be reality you know and this is this is the

really the gold of um you know life is deep things like this

however you know a lot of people aren’t in situations to contemplate all this stuff you know and

this is where the philosophy stuff comes in and yeah you know the logic is fascinating

but as you agree there’s things beyond logic too right yes and i would say those things that

are beyond logic is more based on um speculation and faith

there may be things that we can’t prove in our reality because they are beyond they’re not part of the

physical they’re metaphysical that’s right and so um that’s when we

look at them through this the reference point of logic and rhetoric

um and in addition to that i would say that’s totally right we have but to

really you know tap into that we have to see it and know it for ourselves we can’t really be told

about it you know you can be you can tell tell somebody about something and speculate it about it or do this and

that uh but ultimately for that type of thing to become you know um it

uh to you to be experienced it has to be seen and known for oneself right

because that’s yeah because i mean you just can’t go talk about a bunch of woo-woo stuff and just have somebody say oh well that’s just how it is i mean

that now that’s how it is and that’s that’s the end of it no no not at all it’s uh that

has to be seen and known for oneself and then even when you do see something it could there’s just so many other um

things that could be in the way that it’s you know uh that’s not necessarily

you know um what is it it’s not necessarily what you see is what you when you talk about certain

years like this and knowing you know that what is the uh branch of philosophy about knowing and truth i think there’s

a special word for it but i always forget it um and that’s a whole another topic i know we’ve talked tons about

truth oh when it comes to um our natural curiosity or maybe i should

just talk about my natural cursity sure how do i experience things how do i know

things well there’s this idea i could really only know what i experience what i feel and what i

think and um i’ve known that ever since i’ve been conscious

i’ve always had this natural curiosity to to know what there is and what may be

beyond you know what things do we not know how much do we not know and what

drives this curiosity can we explain that the chemical processes in our brain um equals to that

of consciousness i don’t know if it can be or not but does it even really matter i mean to me

no what really matters to me is just to um continue i guess my uh the expansion of

my knowledge through my personal experience beliefs ideas that i’ve come

across from not just people this time but you know learning about history

all over the world and this is what they call epistemology right i think that is that the branch that

deals with knowing yeah it’s uh i believe it has to do with what do we know how do we know something and how we

can justify that we know um and that empiricism right that’s what we know for

ourselves right for the senses um empiricism is more having to do with with hard facts what can be approved

with um i guess logic budget it is it really is and you know in the

buddhist teachings seven factors of awakening the second one is um

are the first energizing factor is investigation and so it’s investigating rhea um and how do we do that well like

as was said it’s like through our our experiences how we know

asking questions keep looking into things then that curiosity that drives it

so that desire um to do so that intent to do so the

persistence to do so and then developing the sermon these are these four things are the

called the four roads to power or the idipadas and the buddhist teachings so

i’ve got a helicopter coming over

well is there anything else we wanted to chat about today or should we

you want to address the idea of life should we leave it for part two

well let’s use that as a little preview that uh working on a podcast

and if anybody’s would like to chime in with this you’re welcome to do a short audio recording

and email it to me or send it to me electronically through my site integratingpresence.com

the email address is integrating presence at protonmail.com

you can just send it that way as well and the two questions are simple uh are short anyway

what is light and how do you know so i’ve got a few people that recorded

again again um looking for that upcoming podcast

for what is light and how do you know and uh anyone who comes across this audio the

show on wisdom or the podcast you’re welcome to contact me

send in your response through audio and more than likely to be including a podcast what is light

and how do you know all right billy ray i’m billy ray and beta ray bill yep

anything else you want to close up with yeah i just want to um i just want to add to if there’s any

terminology that i used wrong you know please correct me i don’t mind being critiqued

um just anybody who has a comment or opinion whether they’re agreeing or opposing or

just want to ask more questions maybe next time yes so you’re welcome to do that in the comments section of the um

will be the show notes on the on the blog post on my website integratingpresence.com

so or however you want to get in contact with me and then more than likely i’ll put them on the page

and share them with it if you don’t want it shared let me know and i’ll just do that private feedback

to and if there’s anything else you want to hear about for a part two or anything like that feel free to reach out as well

all right may you all be blessed with an ideal and optimal day bye now