Allowing Non-forgiveness & Considering Three-pronged Forgiveness


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The description for this 3/7/2022 Insight Timer Live talk (perhaps somewhat related to my previous talk The Psychology of Customer Service Apologies):

For 15 minutes or so I invite discussion on forgiveness in general; from experience; as an ideal; as consideration; phrases for three-pronged forgiveness practice: 1) forgiving another/others 2) asking for forgiveness 3) forgiving self; not condoning actions; and next level front-loading forgiveness

A variation of pre-show notes:

  • religious or non-religious
  • not weakness, submission, failure, loss, blame
  • ideally many would like to but can’t, not sincere, not ready, exploring, etc so allow non-forgiveness
  • yoga teacher of mine very wary of forgiveness
  • not condoning actions
  • taking self-responsibility
  • lifting of burden for oneself
  • Ajahn Chah boulder story
  • Andrea Fella: thousands of miles apart and being angry and begrudging likely didn’t affect other person
  • anger like tossing a hot coal to burn another
  • not accepting anger like not accepting a gift — it goes back, or belongs to the giver
  • pain in my heart and behind heart in meditation
  • picking up trash

Three-way forgiveness phrase:

To those I may have caused harm knowingly or unknowingly through my thoughts, words or actions I ask you to consider forgiving me.

To those who may have caused me harm knowingly or unknowingly through their thoughts, words or actions I freely offer my forgiveness as best as I am able at this time.

And for any harm I may have caused myself knowingly or unknowingly through my thoughts, my words, my actions I offer my forgiveness; I forgive myself as best I can at this time.

Also: A Guide to Forgiveness Meditation [pdf] and Short Forgiveness Instructions [pdf]

Audio: Allowing Non-forgiveness & Considering Three-pronged Forgiveness

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allowing non-forgiveness and considering

three-pronged forgiveness and then

description i have written up for 15

minutes or so i invite discussions on

forgiveness in general forgiveness from

experience

as an ideal as consideration then i’ll

do these

three phrases for forgiveness forgiving

others

or another two asking for forgiveness

and three forgiving self maybe also get

into

this being not condoning one’s actions

or the other person’s actions or oneself

actions from oneself and then a next

level kind of front loading forgiveness

and i’ll maybe talk about that too

forgiveness can be in religious context

and it can be in a non-religious context

i’ll look at it here more in a spiritual

context

and a lot of people look at forgiveness

as i wouldn’t say a lot but some people

look at forgiveness as like a weakness a

submission

maybe there’s some perception of some

kind of failure

or something’s

blameworthy or there’s a loss involved

if i have to forgive or ask for

forgiveness you know and ideally many

people would really like to forgive but

they’re they just can’t at the moment

and either it’s not sincere

maybe they’re not ready maybe they’re

exploring how to do it etc if any of

these are the case

what about allowing non-forgiveness if

you’re ready in a state where you can’t

forgive somebody you can’t ask for

forgiveness can’t forgive yourself why

not just allow what’s already there

anyway which is non-forgiveness allow

yourself not to forgive i mean there’s

been people

who have gone through so much pain

torment trauma that it’s totally okay

not to forgive in in those instances

right there’s no value judgment for that

and it’s kind of like a a release a

burden off one’s shoulders especially if

someone’s thinking oh i should forgive

this person oh i should ask for

forgiveness but i you know i i just

can’t i don’t i really should i’m a bad

person for not forgiving if in a

situation like that i feel that’s not

really a helpful place either can allow

non-forgiveness not forgiving with the

intent to someday possibly forgive but

being honest with ourselves right so i

had a yoga teacher once a really

respectable gal it just seemed like she

was wary of forgiving it kind of set up

a flag for me

not in any way but i sometimes we look

up to people and then

things might kind of be

off from what we thought and i know for

me in my own practice

when i first started meditation practice

a lot of stuff was coming up from the

past stuff that i had forgotten about

stuff i kind of filed away yeah all

these things i forgot that i had done to

myself things i had said to myself

things i’ve done to others things i’ve

said to others and so my heart there was

like this pain in my um heart region and

then on the back part of my heart too

and then when i came across these

teachings of forgiveness you know it was

like such a relief for me it was almost

went to the extreme though where it was

like all these people in my past i i was

like i was going and finding them and

seeking them back out to say i’m sorry

about such and such and you know i guess

there’s a time and place for that you

have to really use your discernment i

think i went a little bit overboard

there with that but it was like this

huge relief when i asked someone for

forgiveness or forgave them and you know

it’s about self-responsibility too it

can be even though if we were hurt or

wronged there’s a

you know what are we going to do about

it well we take self-responsibility do

we

allow ourselves not to forgive well

that’s part of self-responsibility i

would think too

also when we’re ready to forgive there’s

a

self-responsibility there you know this

doesn’t mean not condoning actions all

right when actual harm is done it by

forgiving someone or asking for

forgiveness it’s not saying what was

done or said was in any way

right or should have happened right

that’s not what we mean by forgiveness

very important point because a lot of

times they get conflated confused that

okay well this person really did some

harm okay so why should i forgive them i

really harm this person they’re never

going to forgive me so why should i

bother this is separate from actually

approving of harming that’s not what

we’re doing here lifting of a burden for

me when i did this it was like this huge

weight off my shoulders there’s this

teacher andrea fella i think she teaches

with insight meditation center in

redwood city california sometimes and

this was years ago when she was telling

this story about how she was so angry at

a past partner and she would just sit in

meditation or be you know thousands of

miles away and then she would realize

that oh me still being angry at this

person isn’t gonna hurt them or harm

them or get back at them

it’s only harming me hurting me to to

have this begrudging anger towards them

and um there’s this i don’t know the

exact passage and you guys can look this

up in the buddhist texts where it’s like

anger is like a hot coal right where we

think we’re gonna take it and throw it

at someone a lot of times uh we get

burned with that hot hot coal there’s

another story where someone comes to the

buddha and says something like you know

just starts berating him and telling the

story very shadowly but he kind of asks

well do you ever have guests come to

your house and he says yeah he goes do

you ever you know serve them food and

you know give them gifts and he goes

yeah

well he goes well what

what would happen if the guests wouldn’t

accept the gift who would it belong to

then and he said well it belonged to me

and then the buddha said basically in

the same way your anger i don’t accept

it i do not accept your anger there’s

also one other um ah john ciao story i

really like he’s a um there’s a whole

lineage now um

in the thai forest tradition in terabyte

of buddhism

very kind of earthy character lots of

really neat sayings and teachings in

real life and he was walking along with

a group and they come across this huge

boulder and he goes hey you know is this

boulder heavy and they go well yeah it’s

a huge rocket of course it’s heavy and

he goes well not if you don’t pick it up

the other day i was picking up trash

along the

highway here or well it’s like a four

lane road and on one side is a forested

area

and then on the other side it’s a huge

retaining wall and it’s just a people

are just passing through there really no

one lives directly there so it’s either

an opportunity to for people to throw

out trash or um maybe it just collects

there from the wind and then it gets

stuck there and nobody picks it up so i

don’t know if anybody has gone and

picked up trash with lots of traffic by

but it’s energetically challenging if

you have any kind of energetic

sensitivity just think of all the people

that have driven past that and kind of

gave if they even noticed it kind of

like oh this is yucky why is there trash

there or you know just mindlessly

driving by it it’s kind of a reflection

on consciousness so i can forgive

everybody that passed by that didn’t

pick it up everybody that passed by that

gave blame and judgment to other people

that threw it down forgiving everybody

that came by

who actually threw litter on the ground

right this three-way forgiveness phrase

i’m going to copy and paste it into the

chat the self-forgiveness was like a big

game changer growing up in a christian

tradition where i wasn’t taught in the

the one i grew up one and that i could

forgive myself too and it was like

wow that’s possible that’s a thing i’ve

lived this long and didn’t know that

it’s just unbelievable although it and

some would say it’s uh repenting which

is i guess similar but to those i may

have caused harm

knowingly or unknowingly through my

thoughts words or actions i ask you to

consider forgiving me to those who

have

the second one to those who that may

have caused me harm knowingly or

unknowingly

through their thoughts words or actions

i freely offer my forgiveness as best as

i am able to at this time and for any

harm i may have caused myself knowingly

or unknowingly through my thoughts my

words my actions i offer my forgiveness

i forgive myself as best as i can at

this time and you know these are also

can be considerations right if we’re not

able to do anything or even want to do

these can still possibly consider it for

future

experimentation i guess to go a little

bit into the woo stuff here there’s this

site i visit sometimes and it’s linked

on my website on

resources for

higher level information and discernment

align with earth she claims that

a lot of things

when you talk about ascension some

people talk about ascension that

a lot of it really isn’t even possible

without forgiveness and i’m not really

doing it justice and service by by that

little

uh short phrase there because it’s way

more in-depth and goes into different

strands of dna and whatnot but i’ll just

leave it at that if anybody’s interested

they can check that out aligning with

earth my bad aligning with earth.com so

and then this finally this this next

level forgiveness thing that i like to

do now is i front load forgiveness so to

any and everybody that i will ever

encounter or meet it’s just kind of like

this broad swath that you’re already

forgiven for anything you could possibly

ever do beforehand right so you’re off

the hook that way but that does not

condone your action doesn’t mean that

you that i approve of any kind of harm

you do even on the most subtlest levels

and the same way with anybody in my past

in current relationships leading with

kind of an assumption

that whatever you’re already forgiven so

i know this is like this sounds almost

crazy to a lot of people and i get that

but there it is you know all right well

thank you all for joining um may you all

have

and be blessed with and welcome in and

allow the greatest

ideal

and optimal

energy and consciousness for the rest of

your day afternoon and night

Published by josh dippold

IntegratingPresence.com

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