For this month’s open-audience, open-discussion “Ask Us Anything” — continuing discussions about meditation and related topics — Denny and I address the “McMindfulness” phenomena mostly by exploring the translation of the original Pali word “sati” — often translated as “mindfulness” — by offering up “remembering” as a more original translation. We also touch on some classic sati related topics like:
- The Five Hinderances
- “Right Mindfulness”
- 12 Links of Dependent Origination (or “Conditional Genesis” [Pratītyasamutpāda]) especially “Contact” before “Feeling”
- Four Foundations of Mindfulness
Also mentioned:
- Some of the critiques and upsides of McMindfulness
- Story of Shiva and Hindu goddess Sati
- Body/Qi/Mind/”Void”
- Metaphors/images for mindfulness from the Pali suttas
Below are our original show notes:
(Notes from Josh:)
Overall I don’t maintain a solid sweeping position for or against the popularity of mindfulness. I feel, like pretty much anything, the skillful and wise (pros) vs. the opposite (cons) must be weighed, and mostly on a case by case basis.
Without boots on the ground in many of the areas where mindfulness has gained popularity it’s even more challenging to speak to, or make broad criticisms and (especially) recommendations/solutions, which by the way, seem severely lacking.
This is a complex topic often addressed in an overly simplistic manner, glossing over significant material with many truths and mistruths mixed together.
When something gains popularity, (if it hasn’t already from the onset,) there seems a high likelihood for the agendas from various players — social, political, economic/industrial, religious, organizational, technological, etc. — to jump in and mold to their liking (and not liking) whatever can be molded, often resulting in distortions, divisions, and destruction.
Articles:
- https://www.huffpost.com/entry/beyond-mcmindfulness_b_3519289
- https://www.samwoolfe.com/2019/12/mcmindfulness-the-curious-mix-of-spirituality-and-capitalism.html
- https://www.jikoji.org/mcmindfulness — brief chapter by chapter breakdown of the book McMindfulness
- https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/14/the-mindfulness-conspiracy-capitalist-spirituality — some great points but no real solutions offered, mostly an underlying bashing of the current version of capitalism (which really isn’t capitalism. I don’t plan to mention political systems on the episode. For our notes: We all know the hangups of capitalism. Not a proponent of this version of gangster capitalism, nor a proponent of socialism, communism, or technocracy. Big proponent of solutions though. Some short term: voting with your dollar and paying attention to what you want to give energy to without ignoring or denying anything. Long term: various clues and bread crumbs I won’t go into here.)
Key points in general to address for the episode:
- Defining mindfulness
- Pros and cons of Popular/ (vs.) Secular/ (vs.) Buddhist mindfulness
- Proper mindfulness (leading to awareness, the foundation for wise decision making)
- Ethics involved in teaching and learning mindfulness (if mindfulness should be taught on its own)
- With so much criticism is it possible for newcomers to dismiss mindfulness entirely, and/or the opposite, can mindfulness’s popularity lead and enforce followers to not properly examine mindfulness?
Potential questions for Denny:
- China angle?
- Observations from Silicon Valley compared to the Midwest?
- What if asked to teach mindfulness to “black ops” military, or corrupt corporations and/or organizations, or anyone who you pretty much know will likely abuse it?
(Notes from Denny:)
Tomorrow we will focus on “McMindfulness and the Mindfulness Industrial Complex”.
Take any self-help/wellness topic (including Mindfulness and more recently Meridian Tapping Therapy), the pitch is always … “if you have Fear, Phobias, Anxiety, Stress, Emotional Trauma, PTSD, Grief, Sadness, Shame, Frustration, Anger, Resentment, Carvings, Addictions, Chronic Pain … and nothing works, try this?!”
Rather than criticizing the McWellness, I think it is more useful for us to properly define “Mindfulness”.
Mindfulness is Sati and the original interpretation is “remembering”.
According to Wikipedia, the English term Mindfulness already existed before it came to be used in a (western) Buddhist context. It was first recorded as myndfulness in 1530, as mindfulnesse in 1561, and finally mindfulness in 1817.
Then in 1881, Thomas Divids, a Pali-language scholar used it to mean Sati, where he wrote in his Buddhist Suttas, “Sati is literally ‘memory’ and is used with reference to the constantly repeated phrase ‘mindful and thoughtful’ (sato sampajâno) ….”
Sati was the name of the Hindu goddess of marital felicity and longevity. She was the first wife of Shiva (one of the three gods who along with Brahma and Vishnu, are responsible for the creation, upkeep and destruction of our universe, respectively).
The legend was that Sati’s royalty parents wanted a daughter and was advised by Brahma to pray before the goddess Adi-Parashakti. Finally she consented and took birth as their daughter but warned them that if she was ever insulted, she would return to her celestial form and disown them.
After Sati grew up, she married Shiva against the will of her parents. She was so devoted to her ascetic husband that when he was insulted by her opulent father, she jumped into the fire to kill herself in order to uphold Shiva’s honor.
Then as promised, Sati returned to being a goddess again and through another reincarnation, came back and became the second wife of Shiva.
Now that’s “remembering”.
Sati is also the name of an outlawed funeral custom in India where a widow immolates herself on her husband’s pyre in order to show her devotion (i.e., remembrance) by taking her own life shortly after her husband’s death.
In conclusion, Mindfulness (念 or Sati) is simply remembering.
In fact, Master has taught us the following:
- 靜則念息 – When Stationary, Remember your Breath.
- 動則念身 – When in Motion, Remember your Body.
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good morning good afternoon good evening welcome to another monthly episode
of aua ask us anything um welcome josh hey danny welcome to you
hey yeah so i see you every saturday i’m very happy with that uh pretty much yeah that’s about right
yeah with your uh online exercise uh doing e jinjing stretching exercises
well not so much stretching anymore but yeah and then working with chi and yeah it has evolved yes yeah well
we’ll talk about that at the end of the show and maybe next week we’ll do we do one on chi and dao yen and that that that stuff
that kind of thing yeah so you pick a topic or you you pick a list of topics and then i
we kind of zero into this thing called the mech uh mindfulness can you give us a little
bit of background why did you pick that topic and what what is sort of the common understanding of what that means
you know that’s a great question um there’s a i think it’s a fairly popular book i haven’t actually
read it but it made a lot in the media it’s mindfulness i forget
the subtitle and the author apologies that can be looked up and we’ll include that in the show notes and then we’re uh
we also call this the uh what were you saying mindfulness and the mindfulness industrial complex right so it’s
basically i like to look at it as just kind of the popularity of mindfulness so you know we there’s good and bad
things about that and um kind of that the book goes into a lot of criticism on uh
mindfulness and how it’s being used probably improperly
boy i don’t even know where to start on this um but the term actually itself comes from
kind of comparing it to mcdonald’s right it’s kind of pre-packaged it’s been the mindfulness has been pre-packaged
and just kind of it’s the same whether you get a burger at mcdonald’s no matter what country in the world
you’re in it’s pretty much the same same standard processes so it’s kind of like
stripped down watered down possibly version um not really sometimes out of
context and you know i’m just gonna start rambling here uh until i get have denny get me on
track because there’s really so much to tackle with this well i i think i think um in general i
think the united states is is a is very good in solving and identifying and solving
first world problem all right you know we say survival problem you
know we think that these are an important problem but actually you know there’s a there’s a there’s a lot of people out there um
who who’s whose life is centered around much more essential things right so i
think america has this history of taking things from a different culture
and very quickly adopting it to our needs quote unquote our needs which is what i
call first world needs so so i i don’t think josh and i are here to
wanted to criticize you know what someone might call make mindfulness my thought always is
that um as a as a buddhist practitioner i i don’t want to think about what’s right
or wrong i just want to think about what’s right for me and what was not right for me right so so i think
when we talk about uh mindfulness um with the context that you know it’s like it’s like the fast
food but fast food has its place password has its voice fast food you know is is addressing a
need you know something uh someone told me that that the fast food in the united states is really
finger food you know it’s like how we serve breakfast in mcdonald’s in
in in all these other fast food places that you have to it has to be eaten in one hand and that
would be american breakfast so we we have a we have a way of
really identifying needs and and and addressing them even if we have to take
something from foreign so so mindfulness is definitely one of those
and i remember we had the discussions early on when message you wanted to uh started the
academy um in in maba and i remember he and i were
traveling and i said a master you know you need to call it academy and not an institute
because academy has this idea that it’s a place for training and and all that and then and then and
then i stopped there i didn’t i didn’t i didn’t want to go beyond you know in terms of finding names so eventually
he found the name of right mindfulness training academy and i remember we had a discussion and i i kind of raised the
question it wasn’t like no objection or anything i just said i just thought that the word mindfulness
is overused that’s one of the problem with with branding is that you have to find
something that is that’s people can relate to but not so much that they they have a
preconception of what it is you know so that’s why you know like when we talk about our saturday class
and and josh mentioned how it’s it’s it’s every day evolves you know every day and so right now we
focus more on fitness because that’s another that’s a term that people can really understand
now what does fitness mean right especially now that we’ve been at home you know for a good nine months now
fitness becomes very important and so the question is you know can you elevate that to just not physical
fitness and mental fitness so so this is sort of a roundabout way of saying that that
whatever mindfulness means it i believe it has this place i i’m not i’m not that’s the thing so it
does have you know there’s positive or pros and cons to it the about mindfulness being
popularized the good points is that you know there’s a lot a lot more unwholesome and unskillful
things people could be interested in so just having that name out there i feel is helpful of mindfulness
instead of you know not being familiar with that term i would say tons of people are familiar with the
term mindfulness or which i feel is a good thing right yeah so i feel like i feel like what josh and i are wanting to do is this as
if we’re reintroducing the european cuisine with the idea that you know the burgers
and the fish had already been so ingrained into the thinking right and so rather than wasting our energy to
to to criticize one we just thought hey you know it opens the door let’s have a
discussion and and i think um after reading um
josh comments and some of his thoughts on like mindfulness i thought well why don’t we kind of um structure a
show around what we thought is the definition yes that’s where we’ve got to start
because some people might get might just think they know what it means and so that’s it they know it and then
on to the next thing right instead of actually delving into it and knowing what the actual meaning and
origin comes from and then also also why it’s worth really practicing and not just the surface
level of it just only the surface it’s ironic that that the word mindfulness and
we’ll talk about that in a minute that comes from the poly word satay sati and then it’s been it translates
into a chinese word called nin then comes with is a combination of two words which
means now and the mind so in that sense it’s a very good word in that it it it represents the
the the tempo awareness you know just bringing it now and here which is very good except
that in as i mentioned many times the in the chinese language um one word is ambiguous
you cannot have a precise meaning with just one character because it really depends on what it
conjugates with so so the problem that we have in in the western world
really defining the word mindfulness reflects itself also in the oriental
or the asian culture in that there’s so many different definition of men which is the equivalent of
mindfulness so anyway why don’t we just jump in and i prepare some powerpoint if it’s okay i’ll run
through it and then we can have a discussion as we go um
so um let me let me show you before you get started can i just i’ll just toss in a few things from um
uh of definitions but i i you know i’m already familiar with denny’s definition and i’m pretty much mostly on
board with that i just give you some other definitions from teachers here sure why not let me see can i can you
share a screen or do i have to give you permission oh no no i’m just reading from some notes i have previously um sorry i
forgot to so anyway uh biku because uh calls mindfulness
calm keep calmly knowing change so kckc keep calmly knowing
change uh gill frontsdale who’s in bay area i think at redwood city
close to i guess where denny’s at a cultivation of clear stable non-judgmental awareness
and then this is from sharon salzburg and joseph goldstein about mindfulness a little bit longer
being aware of what’s going on as it’s actually as it actually arises not being lost in our conclusions or
judgments about it our fantasies of what it means our hopes our fears our aversions
rather mindfulness helps us see nakedly and directly this is what’s happening right now so
that goes to denny’s thing and then um maybe towards the end i’ll come back with some classic metaphors from the
sutas that the buddha gives about different modes of mindfulness
different kind of illustrations about mindfulness so okay okay thank you josh
i i think i think thank you for that and i think i think that and this kind of brings to the point
that um i think i like to go back to the original definition yes
of mindfulness real quick and then i’ll hand it over sorry go ahead josh
there’s some other just like one word translations of course you know for sati uh the one i find is
could be helpful too is body fullness it’s kind of a made up word but it’s not just the mind it’s body
fullness another one is the awareness um noticing um
you know um oh i’m blanking on some of the other ones but those are some
some other awareness is another one but all these kind of there’s not like a really
complete one-word definition okay denny i i i i it does have one that’s pretty
accurate yeah as you’re speaking i i’m thinking um
imagine yourself going to opera and you want to describe the opera and i give you a ticket okay
uh i i don’t think we would like to describe the entire opera and and all the historical backgrounds
and all that with just ticket the ticket is the ticket right i think it’s what i have seen and this
is going back to what i said about the word mindfulness is is that it is so over described both by the western
culture and and the asian culture that we’re going beyond the ticket now the the mindfulness the word mindfulness
is a simple simple simple thing it just it means remember
now if you don’t have a way of remembering where your mind is
then what happens is that it’s as if you don’t have the ticket to go to see the opera
but it’s also a mistake to think that you should just like take this ticket this word called mindfulness and try to
jam all the ways of describing you know practice
into the word so so those those things that you mentioned i’m not saying that they’re right or wrong i’m
just saying that they they actually go beyond the word mindfulness they’re now more into and i’d like to be able to do
a show in the future about what’s what’s samata and what pashna and and in fact talk about
that in again in in the in the asian context especially in the zen buddhism where
they use the word called silent elimination so so what you would describe
and these are the scholars um who who who spend a lot of time explaining mindfulness i believe they go beyond
the original definition they’re now approaching the entire spectrum of the practice talking about
how to um how to how to focus on your sensors how to not follow your
sensors and you know we’ll talk about that this is very very very good topic but i think today just talk about
the original definition of mindfulness and in fact the original definition the mindfulness is in fact
what master uh teaches us okay it’s just it’s the ticket to the opera
all right is that okay this is really this is really important too because
you know this yeah it simplifies it there’s a saying that if it’s not if it’s not easy it’s not
vipassana but the the thing but with the remembering one of the most simplest things on earth
is okay yeah i have a body right um but how many times a day are we
actually conscious of that until it’s pointed out until we remember that there is a body right you know it
seems like the easiest simplest thing in the world but you know how can we constantly keep
remembering that there’s a body right well one of the things that i one of the examples i use and i thought i make fun
of my my students i talk about my you know small army of cantonese speaking grandmas
and so one thing i remind them is is uh two things one one is i said um how many times you check your
purse when you go out every other five minutes every other 15 30 seconds i
mean we check our purse constantly we check our wallet constantly well guess what that that’s not that’s
not something you are born with you know you you give something to a child and they don’t check it
they don’t check it okay so unless it’s a smartphone now that’s yes
that’s constantly because that’s that’s an acquired skill
is to remember you know where your wallet is where your purse is with your
iphone that’s an inquiry skill ironically we don’t have that skill just
like you said josh in terms of checking to see where a mine is you know it’s like
it’s like it’s like we’re driving with both with the one feet on the on the on the brick and
one feet on the on the gas pedal and we’re pushing them together or not knowing which one is which
we don’t we don’t constantly say okay you know left foot should not be on the paddle when the right foot
is pressing down on the accelerator that’s all we’re talking about is is just to remember the other one i i the
example i use is in again you know mostly my students are grandmothers i say well when you
take your grandkids to school you know that’s part of what they do with it because they they it’s a multi-generation
generation of family and so the grandparents take the grandkids to school i said um how do you cross the
street do you hold the hands or do you not hold the hands of course you hold the hands
why do you hold the hands well because if you don’t hold the hands they run away and then now they get
kidnapped or they get run over by a car it’s very dangerous of course you call your host hold their hand
that’s not even the question well how many times do you hold your mind
right you know that’s what it is okay so so anyway um i want to start something i
want to know like in a practice i always say start from zero start from zero right just let’s just start from zero
so so i like to i like to start from zero
so here’s here’s um here’s uh here’s a slide that i prepared and it’s the topic of um today’s
presentation which is called uh mindfulness and and with the subtitle mindfulness
industrial complex right that’s just that’s far enough here but you know
it it it’s attention attention uh graphing right it’s uh we think of it as an industry
you know like the like the the
this this industry this mindfulness industry is very very good in identifying the first
world problem so what are the first world problems so the first world problems are
especially now that we’re you know um sheltering place now for
you know nine months or more it’s all the things that you don’t want and all the things that that we have to
live with every day it’s it’s all the mental defects right all the other
men what we call the mental unskillfulness it’s the fear the phobia the anxiety the stress the emotional
trauma post-stress post traumatic stress syndrome grief sadness
shame frustration anger resentment cravings additions and chronic pain
you just go to go to any youtube that talks about you know all the like i
i found that list when i was looking to see if there are people who are practicing uh you know this this padding of the
meridian points and it turns out that there’s a growing industry of western practitioners on that and
this is the list that i got from them that you could you could solve that you know so so i’m not making this up
this is this is this is real this is what what we call make you know make mindfulness is that
they’re taking this mindfulness technique and they say well let’s just address some first world problems and
the first problems has to do with this long list and more so the question is what does mindfulness
really means what what is the the in the beginning what does mindfulness mean well mindfulness the
word comes from the poly word or satay and the correct
definition or i shouldn’t say correct i should say the most original
most simple definition of satay is to remember that’s what it means is
to remember so let’s look at the word the word
itself actually has been around for for over 500 years it actually starts with the french
literature and then eventually it bleeds into the english literature but it wasn’t used in the buddhist
context yet and today is used almost exclusively in the buddhist context and it was used in the in the buddhist
context about you know maybe 150 140 years ago and it was it was done by a
a poly language scholar who was translating the sutures and he came across this
this phrase in in pali called sato sapanyano
and he translates that into and and sato is is satay and he translates that into
remember being mindful and thoughtful and when he say mindful he says it means memory just
remember where your mind is and be thoughtful right it’s it’s uh so so what does the
word satay why did buddha choose the word satay to to mean remembering what there was
satay actually is the name of a princess is the name of a hindu
uh goddess and the story was that um there was a there
was a um a a a king and a and a queen uh
back then um there were a lot of small kingdoms so this is probably not a huge kingdom probably
just a small king and queen and they they have everything they have wealth they have power they have
lots of sons they don’t have a daughter you know so they they went to this
goddess and they said we really like to have a daughter we pray to have a daughter and
and the goddess says okay well i can be your daughter so so she
reincarnated into uh into her their family but but before
that she said but you have to promise me that if i were to become your daughter
you cannot disrespect me you cannot dis disrespect me but if because if you do i will leave
you i will return to the heaven and i will disown you meaning that you
would lose all your wealth and power so this is the price you have to pay so that’s sure
so no we’ll never disrespect you why would we ever do that and so she she became her daughter she
was a beautiful girl except that she has this thing and and
there’s a parallel story of that in in the chinese okay that there was a there was an incarnation of guanyin that was the
princess that you know she was beautiful but she didn’t want she didn’t like the the life of
abundance instead she likes to practice and so satay was like that and she
eventually marry a male god a very famous male god called shiva
which is one of the three gods and in the hindu religion they they don’t have a a god
they actually have a division of labor and so they actually have three gods and so they have a god who
were like the creator kind of equivalent to to the to the um the christians uh uh create
creative gods and there’s another one who’s an administrator of god of of universe and then shiva
is supposed to be the destroyer now i never understood why why you would need a god to destroy the
world except that when i think about it and i remember one time master told me he says one of the strongest um
destroying power in the universe is called conditions you know it’s just when you think that
something is is is good and you wanted to to to keep it forever no no
something else would come along and then the conditions that that held it together would fall apart and
then it would disappear and get destroyed and then the same thing just when you think that things are going really bad the right condition
will come along and then something goes better that’s that’s what we call impermanence and so i i believe toshiba has something
to do with that is and he’s not like he’s evil and he’s go out there and destroy the universe it’s just that he represents
that interconnectedness right that that right conditions come along right conditions uh go away but anyway um
in in the in the in the indian tradition um they have these different caste and
shiva was was from a very low caste so of course the the emperors didn’t
didn’t like that the kings and queens didn’t like that and so one time the king was having a birthday party and he
purposely did not invite sati and his husband so satay show up anyway
and he confronted his father and says why did you redisrespect me why did you disrespect my husband and so
he then he just turned into flame because that was the promise so so god
so buddha used that word satay to mean remember so she has such good
remembering so of course today satay means something else satay it’s a outlaw ritual where if a husband
die and he’s being cremated then the wife would jump into the fire and that that’s
that’s not that’s not allowed anyway that’s what satan means satay means
remember i don’t know if i can jump in there with the comment about that i love how that yes please yes
the buddha he he took popular terms of the time his day and he redefined them which i thought
was revolutionary too and this he just kind of takes all the drama out of that story with
with still having you know the context in having it related to that you know uh it
takes it even to a nobler uh purpose of that without kind of the the destroying
uh nature of shiva uh you know overtly but yes i don’t know that’s just one
interpretation right he’s he’s very good in that uh you can we would argue that even i’ll talk about the 12 links of
dependent origination and you would argue that um that was something that he repurposed too
yes and well the thing was that you know he if i’m getting this right he was said to rediscover sati
he didn’t invent it he remembered but i couldn’t i don’t i don’t know if that’s accurate because
how do you how could the human race possibly forget about remembering
i know it’s really strange i don’t know if that’s if that has any thing maybe that’s some other topic for research later but
yeah yeah yeah yeah i guess i guess in in in on some level you would say that we
remember everything so the question is not so much remembering but to really bring it to the forefront
of your your spectrum of remembrance right yes and remembering is that’s a whole
vast topic in itself not to mention how that works and the processes of it and different types of it
it’s a really big category topic correct correct right so now what i want to say is that is
that in in this in when we talk about mindfulness i might as well talk about mic with
pashna and and make zen buddhism because it’s it’s make everything right
and one of the things that and what i hope someday we will talk about that is is that once the buddhist practice the
meditation practice comes to the western world people then um start to
associate names okay so so when people say oh this is mindfulness practice and this is with
partial practice and this is you know zen practice they think that so one of the
one of the one of the kind of a underlying assumption is that you only practice mindfulness
over here and you only max practice with partial over here and you only practice
zen over here which is not true at all which is not true the the the mindfulness and the vapor
and the zen which which is which is really uh the the the word zen comes from chan
chan come from china which comes from um uh janna these these these things have
to they they are you can’t have you you cannot have one without the
other right so i want to i want to just overlap and intercept yeah i want to
talk about very quickly is that is that mindfulness meditation is is a technique but mindfulness itself
is a building block okay so so i want to just quickly go back to what we call the
uh the noble uh info path and the no boyfriend path has these eight things everybody knows that but they’re
actually separate into three different parts three different segments and the first statement is
in the lack of better word i just call it morality right morality just means you know your own integrity it doesn’t
necessarily means morality in the western world where there’s overhanging um authority that
determines whether it’s right or wrong some people say ethics yeah yeah ethics and integrity now
i find it interesting that one time in in chinese master gave a lecture on on the
on the on eightfold path and of course there’s a different word for that which kind of separate into the three levels
of learning and and he said and i like i liked how what he said he said well think of think of sila sila is there is
a poly word for for ethics in morality think of that as a language
think of that as a common language hence the language that you would you have common with good teachers
so if in your practice in your practice if you want to have the opportunity to meet good
teachers you must first have your own
integrity and morality because a good teacher would not be interested in working with
you it’s it’s like it’s a language it’s a language so so
so in this case sila or morality means that um it’s really your action it’s it’s
your body reaction is the speech is it’s what you do right are you are you practicing
compassion loving kindness uh are you practicing uh non-harming at the core yeah not
harming you know so are you practicing the five precepts which the first one is you know
don’t kill and then the other one is is livelihood
is your work um consider wholesome all right so they
discourage you from being a butcher they discourage you from you know working for a company if you’re
an engineer they discourage you from you know working in a company that does nothing but weapons you know that
would be that would not be good so it’s a whole whole list of things and and so this falls into the integrity
the morality part and and master has a way of saying that well that is the language that’s a language
it’s a common language right then he goes on and says well the second part and this is where mindfulness fits in
it’s called samathi and as it’s different to samata and samathi one can translate into
meditation is a tough word to translate and here you have um right mindfulness
you know as a building block concentration [Music] so samadhi is actually more like
concentration uh samadhi concentration is is one can say the sustained mindfulness that’s another way
you can say and right effort is is right effort is um there’s there’s a whole thing that
has to do with you know maintaining skillful
skillfulness and what’s interesting is is master says well that’s a common language too
that’s a common that’s a language that you would have in common with all the positive energy in the in the
universe so now we’re talking about beyond this different that we live in that’s called
the comma realm the realm of desire so if you’re purified mind and and now you reside in
a different realm the realm through the the the rupa and the rule program then you’re no longer contaminated and
so these are the bodhisattva or maybe in the christians we call them the angels and and all the good positive energy and
so myself says well if you want to have a common language with that then
you have to have a technique a skill sets that that calms your mind and and finally
it’s it’s the the achievement which is called panya and some people say wisdom some people
say insight some people just meant contemplation it’s hard to translate anyway
um so so i just wanted to say that that that mindfulness is the word
is really the ticket to the opera okay it’s the beginning and and actually
uh master um talks about that and he says you know you got to start
with mindfulness with the right mindfulness then you have the right awareness with the right awareness then you can
have the right wisdom right right insight and so
the the uniqueness about master’s teaching is that that you have to maintain this mindfulness you have to maintain this
remembrance okay you have to do that but you have to do it at all time
not just when you’re sitting and not just when and you have to do it when you’re moving
now what’s interesting then is that he talks a great deal about the full postures so all you have to practice mindfulness
in all four postures standing sitting lying down
and and walking and and actually um the chinese word is not just posture it’s like the full
royal posture so i i thought about this i said why why why elevate that it’s just postures
why do you elevate that into this level then i realize that it’s the human being
it only the human being can have all postures all four postures yes it’s what defines
us as a human that’s right you know besides our opposable and speech too you know real quick
comment here i love that that idea about uh language and i had to and i learned that language
through mindfulness because i had no i mean maybe i’ll share my personal story sometime if it’s relevant
i do on one-to-one basis but just generally speaking i just didn’t have the capacity to know the sila
how i was behaving or what how i was looking at the world and treating myself and treating others
until i started doing mindfulness and remembering you know it’s more like a traditional type of remembering at first before i
had any instructions of all the things that happened in the past that i just hadn’t processed yet so then i resolved the
importance of ethical behavior and it’s not like a a drudgeful duty it’s it’s for your own
happiness and well-being you know it’s yeah and it is a language because
you know people that practice that and and and move moving that and are well versed in
that they can immediately relate and know what each other are talking about pretty much yeah and the the four
postures and even the transition between the four postures that’s even that’s even challenging as well but
those are the you would think those are the most simplistic things on earth yet again how many times are we full
at least a bear awareness in our conscious in our in our in the forefront of our mind of what
posture we’re in until i started talking about it i wasn’t really aware that i was sitting here you know
or sitting as opposed to standing walking or lying down you know it’s a remembering of the posture you’re
in so why is that so difficult that’s what i was fascinated by why is something so simple
one of the most challenging things there is yes yes thank you thank you for that
josh that brings up an important point in that and every often we think about buddhist
teaching is this linear model you know so when you say it’s eightfold path well tell me first
the first one let me do that and then i graduate to the second and then eventually i’ll get to the end and so but it’s not
exactly it’s not it’s it’s all intermingle so just just mindfulness you know even though we
we put that in the second tier and we say well that’s the building block for samadhi actually you have to have
mindfulness throughout and and i think what josh said is that even in practicing sila practicing your your morality integrity
and and how you your your actions in both verbal and and physical can affect other
requires mindfulness right it it’s everywhere um so so thank you for that that’s very
important um now what’s interesting is that this word right
is everywhere so it’s not just that we have to have mindfulness we have to have the right mindfulness
and it’s not just that we have to have concentration it has to have the right concentration so so i i remember master talk about
this what does what makes it right now in pale is a sema s-a-m-m-a
so so when we say satay sati is sema-sati when we say samadhi is sama-samati so so
the word sama is always there and and so what does sama mean what does right mean and so master explained that this is
it’s it’s very simple if you are free of your hindrances
then it’s right you know if you are free of your hindrances then you are in fact
you know on the path towards um uh witnessing the full uh domicile
and you’re then on the right path right so everything you do would have it has it has to lead you
there and so so if you you could have you could have mindfulness but if the mindfulness is about uh
killing i mean come on you know if you’re a shop shooter you got to have mindfulness
or a thief you know to pull off a high thief i’m not saying that sharpshooter is necessary
and wholesome you know if the person is defending me and he’s defending invader that’s a i
accept that i’m not saying that i’m not saying that just because you have a gun that makes it a bad person right there’s always a place
for that i i that’s not what i’m saying but what i’m saying is that is that is that um
mindfulness sometimes can bring out these these these unwholesome uh bring out
these hindrances so so when we say right it’s very specific it’s when you’re afraid
of these five hindrances so so let me talk about just quickly what what does five hindrances mean and
and we don’t have in time to go into this but if we ever talk about mental consciousness
you know when we talk about the five standards and eventually it creates the the mental consciousness
then in the buddhist teaching it breaks it down into the 51 mental factors
and some of them are neutral and some of them are wholesome and some of them are unwholesome and more than as
much as two-thirds of the 51 mental factors are considered unwholesome and and if you take that and
you group it then that becomes the five hindrances so these are these are the totality of the
unwholesome or unskillful mental factors so what are they the most
important one is called clinging so so buddha in the wheels of the
of life he represents clinging or attachment by a bird and once upon a time
there was this bird that people keep us a path but when the owner dies the bird
would die the bird would just give up all all reasons to survive and because they cling to the loving
care of the owners so much that they see no reasons to live and so um buddha uses that as a symbol for
clinging clinging means that that we have these sensations in the body
right our body is made up of the six sense doors six sense roots
eye nose mouth ear touch the body plus our mind our brain
so not only that we have sensations that that we like we have feelings that we like and so we
cling to that right and we cling to that like they like a saran wrap we cling to a full of
of potato salad or whatever so then when you don’t get what you like
when things move change because of impermanence then you have a reaction and
typically we react negatively and so that would be the second
hindrance is called anger anger and so
buddha represents that by a snake right because if you step on a snake the
snake is not going to say oh he didn’t mean that no no he’s going to react negative and bite you
so so he represented by the snake so typically we go on with the list and the rest of it is is um there there
are in after the anger you you either go into depression or what we call sleepliness
right lack of energy or you go to the other extreme which is anxiety um so so one is
so if if you if you um i teach mechanical engineering so i used
to teach i used to explain the difference between action and activities
so anxieties is when you have lots of activities but no action because it’s a scalar property not a vectorial property
you just like you just go crazy yourself and the finally is is doubt it’s this lack of faith right so these
are the five hindrances so so then um danny can i just give a
few uh comments on these these are all important um anger you know more specifically um i’m
partial to ill will because in general yeah obviously we can see the destructive properties of anger but sometimes anger
can be uh it could come from a place of care you’re angry about how someone is
harming someone else right it doesn’t mean you want to go and and do the same kind of behavior but
when because ill will i think is more specific because that involves wanting to harm someone right
i will i i i think that’s a very very good point i i actually when i was waking up this slide i was going back
and forth and i i prefer it will as well as opposed to anger you’re right i mean sometimes we
have to have anger when you when you want to stand up for righteousness righteousness
it just it just it seems like a natural thing but it all depends it’s very it’s it’s like a double-edged sword
right uh it can it can i i agree that i agree that is that is that is that
um what is the intention exactly and so and even if we if we
start bringing up anger then all sometimes it can even lead to more anger but then if we suppress it
and shove it back well then we can just reach a boiling point and explode so it’s a really tricky thing the depression anxiety the classic terms
uh for this are like some big two dollar words like uh sloth and torpor yeah it’s just kind of
this like that’s especially when in meditation practice when the energy is really down and there’s ways to deal with these two
and then the anxiety i think they use uh restlessness and you know restlessness and worry and
doubt’s the really tricky one though too because it comes pretending as wisdom you know it comes masquerading as
something wise but it’s not a false uh thing so yeah yeah so we need to talk about this
this is worthy of another another uh want to dig deeper into master’s
teaching in terms of how how you overcome these five hindrances
in in the way of of of uh so we we in the chinese word is we i call it the
losing fire and and and uh gaining mara you know so there’s a two
ends right losing fire is like you’re losing oxygen to your brain so then how do you keep up the cheese so
the whole point about practicing chi is to make sure that your body is is is uh is full of uh
oxygen and you’re not dozing off and so this this is that’s why you need qi okay you can’t so that that’s why so so
so master actually in terms of practice master actually say if you if you go into that mode then
that’s called lazy zen and then if you go on the other mode the anxiety part um again i use more of
the common words here the one you use is is more accurate in that um that’s what that’s what happened
there is that your five sensors are are calm
your ear your nose your mouth except that now your six con your six
sense which is your brain is active and so the way to deal with that is is
something very important um which is how do you rest your brain right so this is this is good stuff this
is really good stuff so so i just want to kind of mention you know so i’m now kind of going
a little beyond the basic definition of mindfulness and going a little bit deeper now into the practice and you
know so how what does what what does mindfulness mean now how does master you know
teaches mindfulness um so so next one next one uh
is uh it’s interesting it’s really it’s really about um how do
you how do you how do you how do you stay away from the five hindrances because
it’s it’s not something it’s not like you say i stay away from it and that’s it because you can’t you know you you’re trying to get rid of
you’re trying to stay away from using your brain so you can’t really just use your brain to stay away from the brain that doesn’t it takes it takes technique it takes so
that now i’m getting deeper into the technique into the technique and these you know they can also be
looked at as opportunities for mastery too because not until we experience them um and deal
with them and address them can we can we overcome them so it’s just like dukkha
you know we have to know dukkha to hinduka as well right so so i want to kind of explain i i
really um i i’ve done a lot of work in in explaining massive teaching in chinese so this is
my first attempt into taking some of that and translating into english so so one of the one of the important ways
of understanding master’s teaching especially in in terms of how he practiced mindfulness and and and how
he practiced right mindfulness meaning how does he stay away how did how what how do we what do we do to stay
away from the hindrances is to understand how a mind process work and so he uses this
thing called the 12 nadanas or the 12 links of dependent origination again this is something that the historical
buddha have repurposed okay this he didn’t invent that all he did was he took that
and rather than talking about how the physical part of a body uh the rebirth from that he he uses it
to talk about the mind how does the mind work and one of the things that i know and
once i show this then everybody say oh i know what that means
i want to spend a little bit of time again you know so it’s the same way that i try to bring the word mindfulness back to its
original definition i like to bring it i like to bring the word ignorance
ignorance back to his original definition so if you look at the poly word for ignorance
it’s a okay so it’s made up two words very important and i put a little
dot in between i’ve already pronounced avija abicha thank you so it’s made up two words
okay now a typically means the opposite or beyond so it’s not always opposite
it’s it’s one of the three uh important sim sound
and those are the three basic sounds and ah ah is the feminine part of the universe so
it’s it’s it’s so agama the teaching the gamma teaching gamma means lead because the five uh disciples have
left buddha and buddha wants them to come back and so it’s called ah gamma come back
we we talk about anutra ah nutra means the the the
the well learned you know like the arahan and anutwa means beyond that right
um things like uh we we talk about the the the buddha um
that’s a that’s the that’s the celestial buddha and it means uh i’m
it means it’s beyond space and beyond time okay so so a means it’s opposite or
beyond right so ah you say vitra avicia
we talked about this i wrote about this that there’s the 10 epidemic of buddha there’s 10 different honorable
terms that we use but they’re not really honorary term as much as they represent different aspects
of buddhist accomplishment for example buddha is one buddha is one arahan is another
uh i talked about anutwa that’s another one samasan buddha there’s another one
so there’s another one called vitra panya okay so sampana in this case means
perfection and it’s a perfection of clarity and perfection of his conduct
okay so vitra in this case means clarity that he can see beyond
[Music] what do we call that our world right so in this case ah vitra means opposite
it means opposite someone who cannot see clearly so so ignorance in this case means all of the unwholesome
seeds right so earlier we talked about the the mental factors which are how you
would take the mental consciousness you know when you when the brain actually generate the electrical signal
and so you can break that down into the building blocks and these called the mental factors now so they would cause if the right
conditions arises they will cause physical action but actually there’s a because the
electrical signal um there’s a copy of that there’s just there’s a those those actually um uh get stored those
those thoughts get stored and that’s what we call comma okay so then the comma is like seeds so
so you have to think of this as so so the word dependent origination there’s there’s never been a good
definition in that but what it really means is that is that actions you can i use the
example of as growing tomato so if you take a tomato seeds
if you didn’t have a tomato seeds you wouldn’t have tomato if you didn’t have a cost you wouldn’t have a
uh a a a result but it takes condition
okay so so the independent origination talks about the conditions that has to arise in order for something
to become something but it also talks about something else this is something that does not talk
about very very much which is that imagine going back to the tomato again you start with the single tomato seeds
if you put in the right conditions it grows into a vine and then now eventually you have a tomato
and you consume the tomato and then you leave behind seeds
so when we say ignorance those are seeds that are in your egg consciousness they’re the comic comic
seeds and so this 12 links of dependent origination really talks about how all of our
actions are not dictated by outside so when a person bombs a city
he might talk about he might have leave behind a a set a document that talks about how dissatisfied he is
with the world in fact that is conditions what really start
is his comic seats that he has the anger seats he has the you know
angry person is angry because he has the angry seats and he let it germinates okay so that all comes from
the ignorance of vitra now that’s just a a seed and then the seed has to become a consciousness by
this thing called the called the um sankara or the concept
cosmic formations so now the third part so so you’re starting to see it
the seed goes into your your your your mental machinery and it creates a
consciousness how to create something a desire to kill
that has to enter into your mind this is called the the normal rupa so this is really where
your mind is your mind has two part that has the the metaphysical part
which is what we call the seven consciousness that’s the that’s a self next to that is
your brain so this is the part where it activates your brain
and then it starts to put your body in action and then eventually it contacts the
outside world that creates and then eventually it creates
feeling which is your brain working again and then eventually it goes back to creating more
comic seeds so master’s teaching is all about what’s between contact and
feeling so he focused a lot on context contact is when your five sensors
interacts with the world without and not yet activating your
brain because once they activate your brain you develop like and dislike that’s yourself
and then it just goes on to this endless loop so in in master’s teaching it’s all about
context it’s all about how you train yourself be mindful of
your breath be mindful your body knows that that that that um
a whole summer and wholesome uh thoughts come out and as soon as you know it you stop it
you don’t follow you don’t follow so this is this is this is uh this is master’s teaching so
what i’m trying to say here though so so far what i try to do is try to bring out this the
most basic definition of mindfulness it’s that it’s a ticket to the opera it
doesn’t mean anything else other than to remember now from that there’s different
technique and master’s technique is about making what’s called the right
sama which is to learn to stay away from the five hindrances so josh you wanted
to add something well yeah the the link independent originate i mean this dependent origination there’s i mean there’s whole
series of hours and hours of talks just addressing this and you know just penetrating into one
of these links is a whole i mean it can be part of your practice for a long time
and it’s really cool how shifu focuses on contact a lot of the teachers
uh i guess in the insight tradition they think the access point or they they say the access point is feeling and i
can see that as well then again you know these
teach going one way but then also you know tracing back or reverse engineering
going the other way too so that link right there or that that connection between feeling and
contact to explore that to know that and focus on that especially between yes feeling
and contact it’s a really important one the other thing i wanted to say was looking up here we read the book
what the buddha taught by paula rahula
i i’m not i’m not pronouncing the the first name uh right classic book good um
jumping in point for just about anybody um and uh he uh this was in the the polly’s
uh the diploma classic by maba and he translates uh dependent arising or codeprinted arising as
conditioned genesis and i thought that was really interesting term conditioned genesis so like genesis
means when something you know how something starts and gets underway the beginning of it and then the
condition part you know is all the things that go into how you know making that possible or not
possible so yeah that’s that’s what i’ve got on this but i mean so so i i think i i think it was a month
ago we we talked a little bit about um zen buddhism and we talked about how
the meditation technique um went from china uh into japan
and and how it actually went their first time through career and the second time directly into japan and that’s that
became the two different school uh the last one being soto and the first one
uh i believe you you know how to pronounce it um what’s the first one runs in rinzai is it renzo inside so so
renzai renzai came to japan first and actually when renzi meditation came to
japan that that changes the social structure uh in japan and it
it took all the power away from the royalties and give it to the samurais
and eventually you have shoguns and that wasn’t until uh general
emerald perry opened up the the ports when he was sent by president
roosevelt that the japanese world government says we can’t have this anymore and so they reverse the process
and and eliminate the shogun class and and then elevate it back to the the
imperial court but the reason that that there was this change you know um 1500 years ago when it went from
the essentially the the land owners which are the royalties
to essentially the um the maritime
class meritocrat metatarkovic’s summarize is because of this this this um this distinction this understanding of
contact and feeling is that the samurais understand that if
they know how to suppress their hindrances they know how to suppress their own
uh feeling then the reactions time go up
their reaction time go up so that’s why when you look when you watch these old samurai movies you could see these two samurais
standing there in the rain you know waiting for each other and then when the right time they
they they cut each other up and they their soil is so fast that when they’re done there’s no blood
on the blade that’s why they can put it back right away they don’t have to wipe it you know so you watch the western movie after they kill somebody they don’t have
to clean it right and and that is all because they they they understood meditation
and they understood the mindfulness and they understood how they only have contact
you know so so they’re fully aware of the environment and as soon as the other person move or
they would take advantage of that and the reason why they can they can react so fast
or faster the other person is that they they are more capable of suppressing or or actually
put them more more accurately they’re capable of being liberated
from their own hindrances and this is what some uh folks teachers say that the summit of practice
at least the way some people teach it it temporarily suppresses the
hindrances right so you get that taste of freedom immediately but then as soon as you stop practicing
they can’t come and they can come back so that’s why the full posture is just so important yes and so but that builds that muscle
yeah and the distinction between what in motion and and in in in stillness is so
important yes that’s why the teaching from master is so profound it is i like he combines the summertime
vipassana we’ve got that as a note to do a whole show on uh which most people isolate are a lot of
uh teach those completely separate which i see benefit in that too but when those can be joined and a lot of
times those are joined by ana panasati practice as well but uh and master has his own kind of unique
flavor in virginia and teaching you how to do that as well yeah yeah so so um let me just go to the
last slide and because we we’re over so um so when when so now we we’re going
beyond the definition of mindfulness and now going towards the practice of mindfulness so
so the the most famous of that is there’s a suta called the four foundations of mindfulness in pale
um is satay patanya or or there’s another way which is
called satay upatana so one means attention and one means foundation so
the the theravada typically use foundation so these are the full foundation the mindfulness now again
most people when they look at that and this oh so just tell me where to start and where to finish and so
so they think of these four as four different you know progression where in fact
they’re not they’re not so anyway uh we practice what is called mindfulness of the body
and again there’s there’s a there’s a huge misunderstanding what that means because it’s so trivial what’s there to
well in first of all in this case body doesn’t mean body body means your physical existence
so again it goes back to the sixth sense store since sixth sense roots it’s not just your eye your nose your ear your
mouth and your body but it’s also your brain right it’s also get the queen in the original suit that’s it the
mindfulness of the body is divided into six parts right you know it’s uh it’s the the br the breathing um the
postures the the movement the four elements um uh the 32 parts of the body and then the
cemetery contemplations so that’s uh breaks it down just the body part you know yes
yes yes well well we we need to talk about that at least in terms of what john we’re not
going to we’re going to say here’s massive teaching followed that’s not what we’re trying to do this is more our own interpretation
understanding right okay so one last line and then we a little over time that’s okay
um this brings to a saturday this brings to our saturday class now and before let me let me
preface that by by saying that um we live in the modern world
in the modern world one of these things in the modern world is that
we have freedom of information freedom of communications so in the old days when things
when when it’s not so easy to communicate when it’s difficult to even have a book because you have to hand write them on
your car you what you find is that you have a lot of silos
this is the buddhist teaching this is the taoist teaching this is the um you know the the
the the yogi teaching you know and so forth and so on and even within the buddhist teaching so this is
the terrada teaching like we talked about you know previously and this is a chinese teaching this is tibetan teaching
i i think one has to understand that this is from the days when there was a lack of communication a lack
of of um uh representation of the knowledge of the knowledge
uh we we need to we need to walk away from that you know so as much as there should be doctors
without borders we should have practitioners without borders so it’s not important for us to say whether
that is daoist teaching or buddhist teaching so what i have here is in fact i was teaching
it’s in fact i was teaching so now a quick word on taos so so taoism
is a is a native uh uh religion of china as opposed to buddhist
which is imported and so the taoist goes back many many minutes as far back as maybe
four thousand years ago but until buddhi dhamma came along
and in fact there was a there was a very famous master of the taoist that was that were born
about 500 years after buddhi dharma until buddha dharma came along the taoists were alchemists
so when we think about dante the word tan means fire so when you swallow a pill
uh whatever however you made it a a physical pill you swallowed the dawn okay so of course
once they understood the meditation the world changes okay so they they
become meditators and so um in the taoist perspective
of existence translating into more modern language is the three things
material energy and get this information
so the material is a body the energy is achieved
and the information is the mind this is toss and consciousness there too
consciousness is information consciousness is information
one of the i i like to in in the future i like to talk about how science and buddhism uh converge and
there’s there’s so much to talk about one thing that one can talk about is steven stephen hawkins and his
his uh his famous contribution is called the information paradox and it talks about the
black hole radiation and so you can kind of talk about that in
the buddhist context is that is what happened to a body in what realm
does the body exist and if you go beyond that realm what’s there or that’s energy but what
if you go beyond the rupa and abrapa then information you enter into
what modern scientists call the black hole but up until stephen uh stephen hawkins
you cannot escape the black hole once you’re in you’re in and stephen
hawkins is the one that says no you can enter and come back but what comes back is information
danny you should probably just read what’s on the screen just if in case anyone’s just listening to you so so i want to avoid the whole topic as
well yeah exactly thank you i i got i got i got carried away no that’s good i like
that yes okay so so basically it says that the existence our existence has three parts has the
body which is the material part has the chi
which is the energy and then it has the mind which is information
so the taoist believe that the beginning of the practice is when you become
mindful of your body and only when you’re mindful or your body
and you start to develop a coherence in the electrical field then you have the horizon
of the magnetic field which is your energy so that’s the first stage is is how do
you develop your body how do you practice your body to bring out the chi the second part is
that how do you practice to chi to to discover your mind
and then finally i didn’t make this up this is all from darwin’s teaching is that how do you then liberate your mind
to enter the void they call the void which in our case is is the emptiness
i actually like the term emptiness more than the in the void but i mean except that i translate
that’s all i see yeah it gives it gives i mean they’re they’re definitely similar in overlapping
you know point to each other kind of um yeah yeah so that’s that’s that’s all that’s a lot we can talk about this we know this is
ongoing this is what we do now on saturday is the reason we do this on saturday now i
do it more on the cantonese than i do in english because in english i assume everybody is the beginner whereas in the chinese you know
every day we have new student and so i need to break it up into three parts and just let them follow the first
part which is to develop the cheat and then just say okay you know that’s enough you practice that now you know
bring out the the more event student and now we take the qi and we settle our mind
right yeah and then because the emptiness teachings they’re not for everybody you know you don’t want to teach people about emptiness if they’re
not ready for it as well right so yep okay any okay so let me let
me unshare this and then let me give those i said earlier that i was gonna give the um the classic mindfulness metaphors from
the sutas real quick one is of um just a wrapped up loose ends and then denny can wrap the show
here right uh it’s a cow herder after a harvest so it’s just it’s sit cow herder is sitting there
under the tree um under the shade of a tree and the cows are kind of free to
roam about he’s keeping an eye on him but he’s really relaxed now that they don’t have to be you know
don’t have to worry about them trampling crops and whatever another one is a surgeon’s probe
so you know it’s this surgeon is getting in there and he’s tapping around on things before he
operates just to kind of know where things are at right the other one i don’t know if i’m
getting this right it’s climbing a platform for an overview so as you’re continually moving up this
platform you’re seeing more and more of the bigger picture right another one is a classic one is of a
gatekeeper you know at the city wall who lets lets people in and out you know like guarding
guarding the scent stores the other one is the hub of a wheel and and what keeps the stream of the
world in check is kind of uh mindfulness so that’s what i want to do very cool
thank you thank you josh thank you as you’re speaking it reminds me of the word
yoga yoga is the english word that that comes from the uh indian word
called yj and and one of the variants of the
word is called yolk which is the the beam that you put across two oxen so
that they’re synchronized and so the idea of yoga is really about
mind and body synchronized and so that’s what the yolk means in a
way it’s kind of describes in a way it describes you and i josh is that you know we have to find this yolks
between us so yes we don’t get in front of each other yeah i like it i like it we devolve into this
chemistry now yes that’s good that’s good thank you thank you for that your energy in making
this uh a reality and likewise thanks for the great the presentation and your dedication to doing this i mean daily
dedication and i would say even english speakers can join daily they would just you know uh just just
practice along visually right if that’s possible you know yes yeah yes so so we now we
live in the livestream yeah we live stream on on youtube and facebook
so if you want to see my facebook page it’s very simple is dannykmu.com backslash facebook that’s
all okay and um and josh says you can you can join if you want or
at least join on saturday eight o’clock okay if that’s if you want to be in front of the camera
let me know right let me know so as i mentioned this is there are two ways to watch david letterman one is to
watch it on tv and one is to be live audience yes and so like you know that you can
get the idea of the practice in english on saturdays and then yes if you want to hop in during the week is
good because i tend to slow it down on saturday we do we do about two thirds of what we do on on regular days
yeah so anyway okay thank you and i’m um
integratingpresence.com and denny’s denny kmiu.com
yeah so josh is is uh he actually had he has done a lot of podcasts in the past but i i
just caught him so that we actually post uh our podcast now on our patreon page
so you need to do more josh well i’m posting these on insight time
or two i opened a teacher account on there but it’s mostly just to share conversations and interviews and stuff yeah so just let me
know and then i’ll i’ll repost it on the patreon page sure and you too denny you need to do more as
well when we first started this there was like an explosion of different interviews you did right so
yes yes yes and we talk about that we talk about that yeah okay all right with that
i’ll see you i’ll see you saturday and then i’ll see you again in a month for this forum okay thank you
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