Beyond Just A Healing Place: Lisa Frey Of Fat Cat Longevity

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September 16, 2023 Update: While Lisa currently does not run Fat Cat Longevity one can still reach out via:

fatcatlongevity@gmail.com
https://facebook.com/freyflow

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After participating in events and facilitating meditations at Fat Cat Longevity for quite some time now, I finally sit down with the care and wellness honcho herself Lisa Frey:

• short bio
• teaching
• More Natural Cures Revealed book [amazon affiliate program link]
• health and life coaching
• how Lisa came upon Mary’s House of Healing
• visiting Lunar Healing
• how she started Fat Cat Longevity
• singing bowls
• rotating Wednesday meditations at Fat Cat
• Lisa’s work with clients
• weight loss
• identifying and changing habits
• looking inward
• self talk
• choices
• self care
• empowerment
• encouragement
• self-awareness without being judgmental
• inner child work
• journaling
• programming
• childhood and adult trauma
• healing trauma with energy work and meditation
• memories, perspectives and perceptions
• narcissism
• gas lighting
• boundaries
• manipulation
• “success” with unconscious survival tactics as a habit
• deception
• abuse
• everything as love or a cry for love
• resent for over-giving
• being assertive
• not always saying yes
• feeling good about self-care
• boundaries shedding light on manipulation
• self-honesty
• talking about and stating feelings
• integrating new affects of healing
• micro and macro narcissism
• subleasing to psychologist Amber Quintas (sp?)
• Wednesday book club
• weekend availability for events, retreats, workshops

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The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:

Intro

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hold us and welcome this is josh depold from integrating presents today i’m here with lisa frey

in fat cat longevity a space that she so kindly allows me to facilitate and host

meditations and now meditation circles and i thought it’s high pass time since i’ve

been doing events with her for so long that we sit down and have a little chit

chat so uh here we are and uh welcome lisa how’s it going it’s going good thank you for

Welcome

having me oh you’re welcome hey so i thought we would just um just bring people up to speed on you know who

you are um kind of what you’re interested in and then just how this space came to be

Who is Lisa Frey

okay um so i am a teacher and i’ve taught like all different grade levels

all different subject matters just really like to teach and

i love to read research and i guess probably about 17 years ago

i read a book called um more natural cures and it talked about natural cures and i got really into

just like natural health and preventative medicine and um mainly just reading a lot about it and

started putting some things into play and have just continued researching that um

just kind of thinking of longevity just you know doing the little things we can do not to get the normal aches and pains

as we get older and stuff like that and then after several years actually

this would have just been maybe two years ago uh yeah 2019 i

had looked online before this about like you know you’d hear the life coaches and

that wasn’t my interest but like a health coach like for dieting or weight loss or natural health cures and i

didn’t find anything when i first looked and a few months later it was like all over the place so i enrolled in an online program and

became a certified health coach and life coach and i mainly focused on the health again

because that’s what i’ve been reading about and then in working with uh clients what i found is that any type of

health coaching or habit change is life coaching as well because

we we can have the best ideas the best uh you know intentions consciously

but if our subconscious runs 98 to 95 of our day

you know those those things aren’t really gonna stay very long or stick until we dig in a little deeper and um

so then i kind of just blended the two you know or got more comfortable if somebody came

in with just more of a life coaching issue rather than health

control into that yeah they’re so intertwined aren’t they i know the the first time i remember walking in here

another friend had that this space beforehand and i helped her move and transition

out of the space and help i guess transition lisa a little bit in here but came in one time and we just started

talking about different health things and since i’m into kind of natural health and

good diet especially for self-care we talked about i think we pulled out some books and we looked through certain

books and and talked about all kinds of different health ideas and a lot of them kind of the ones that kind of fly fly

under the radar that we both found kind of important of uh yeah what what

ought to be possibly paid more attention to and yeah so um so also you know obviously

you know lisa mentioned the um we have you know it’s not just the diet it’s it’s it’s

closely intertwined and interwoven with um the psychological

side the motivational side the support side right the caring side and so and

this is where meditation i feel comes in so much because it allows us to kind of see and notice things

that we wouldn’t otherwise see and notice a lot of times right yeah and then not only it’s not just somebody

else telling us we can actually see and feel and know it for ourselves and so when we have that kind of empowerment it

kind of it seems in my experience anyway more important of you know

well how are my habits affecting me and how can i change these habits and yeah

um a whole a whole space opens up for i guess more healthy choices and and while

How Lisa ended up in the space

you’re talking i was thinking you know i kind of came to this i guess you’d say from the logical or book side reading a

lot about it and then you mentioned how did i end up in the space so i um

it was during coveted shutdown it was like right after that first five weeks and

i decided i needed energy work and just kind of out of the blue and i am a

trained uh massage therapist from years past and so i wanted energy work but i had these

knots in my shoulders and i was like well wait a minute should i do that or a massage but i ended up here at mary’s house of healing upstairs at lunar

healing and had an appointment with adriana and um

you know it was just amazing and then again with koved we were going to be

teaching virtually and my children are grown and i was like oh my gosh how am i going to

spend this next piece of time you know still at home so i i came down to main

street just to just kind of check out you know i had retirement a few years

down the road check things out and it turned out there was a space in this building and it was in the basement i was like oh

i don’t know but i wanted to check it out and the moment i walked in the energy

in this space i was just like i have to do this now even if i have a full-time

job and um just this place is amazing and so

um with the previous um business that was in here they were

conducting the meditations on wednesday night which you were leading um and so i just started attending those

and i knew it would take a while to like build up business here and i wanted the space to be in use and with that i just got a lot more in

tune to meditation energy i was already playing the singing bowls

at home but then um integrated them into meditations and

just um became really more aware of the energetic side

so just kind of again more more things intertwined yes indeed and uh

Lisas Singing Bowls

i’ve been to lisa’s singing bowl class and she’s got a a very nice set an array of bowls and

the experiences i’ve had at that was it’s pretty amazing um i get this stereoscopic sound is what

i call it where the bowl sound will go around the room like a radar or it

will just go in in a circle and so the sound goes from one ear then to behind

the head into the left ear and to the front and continues like that for a while until the the pattern changes and

uh it’s pretty that was pretty that’s just one of the few amazing things about it um

Chakras

yeah oh well i was gonna say clients have said too um and you can help me out because i hear people pronounce chakra

or chakra and i don’t know either way i think i hear more uh chalk

chakras yeah chakras so um you know i have the set of singing bowls that matches the chakras and then what

i’ve heard clients say is you know depending on the time and probably their energy they feel it in their body in

different places they might have a tingling in their fingertips i know myself i’ll have kind of like i’ll feel

something in my stomach a lot of times and um so the vibration really you know is is pretty

amazing and that is one reason that i’ve never really recorded here doing that because

i don’t feel like um a recording does the singing balls justice that’s right you would have to

Meditations

have like an audio engineer with all kinds of different mics and you would have to you know to get the absolute

high quality you would have to plan it all out exactly what you’re going to do then he would have to place the mics and

you’d probably have to go through three or four tanks and yeah it would just be easier to invite people to come experience it for themselves

and so we have um we have other people leading uh meditations here i know i’ve done an interview with christy geltz she

does uh we on a rotating schedule and she does meditations on wednesday occasionally sarah who i’ve also

done podcasts with she’s done meditations here on wednesdays and then christy and

heather even from peace love happy the metaphysical shop and crystal shop upstairs she’s in the

past has been in the rotating schedule too so how about

working with clients so maybe you can share some stories about some folks who’ve come in here

and what they’ve experienced and what they’ve said and yeah and how you worked with them

okay um so one of my first clients um her goal was actually weight loss and so we

Weight Loss

had a 12 week of sessions set up and so she lost weight she lost 30

pounds and the 12 weeks and she has kept it off now for a year and a half

stronger all the time but what was interesting is just getting into yeah the the life

things and and that the programming that we have had

from a young age even though her and i were originally focused on you know

weight loss it turned into more so and even with that say weight loss is a goal

my my goal is to get to know um the client and their likes their dislikes

their habits things like that so it’s not i eat this don’t eat that it’s more about what things do you enjoy and

celebrate and how can you make you know healthier choices

but again what we dug into was that habits in that area were also

habits in other areas where there might be you know i guess in a way binge and purge of not literally but um

just of the activities um how much time is spent on social media how much time

is productive how much time is spent on self-care i would say that is the number one thing

and and that was a a great thing about that client was as she began to turn her focus inward

and again she just did it in a way for physical reasons but she began to feel so good that all other areas in her life

whether it be you know in a relationship in a job and anything

they just started coming together and then at one point um she was doing kind of random acts of

kindness and she’s like she told me she said i’m just so full of love i can’t stop myself from doing it and um

she’s a very truly happy and amazing uh person and so um that all kind of came

from from digging into again the programming that we have and so we we

have these actions that that maybe you know daily actions or whatever or thoughts or patterns of

thoughts whether they be positive or negative whether we are um you know

uh i guess being nice to ourselves or critical self-talk

and then that kind of spirals and so with her self-care and

just being very intentional her cup just began to get fuller and fuller

in all areas isn’t that amazing how sometimes we just we don’t see that and it just takes a

Heuristics

little nudge or someone like a hero who’s already been through that and come out the other side and and it

can share what they’ve learned and share empowerment and encouragement and then um i like this word heuristics it’s kind

of like giving uh folks um kind of like a tool set and a space and a means and

sometimes methods to actually see and discover that for themselves and when they they really can can see and know it

for themselves that’s i think that’s when it makes a big difference and it’s like um self-awareness without judgment

Inner Child Workshops

self-awareness is you know what’s being brought out and then the lack of

judgment is very important and i did want to share we’ve done a couple of um

amber quintus who is the therapist that works here we’ve done a couple of inner child workshops and i won’t go into

detail about what came out but um they were just amazing and and and

during the channel journaling where um you know we’re just kind of in a

meditative state yet journaling um some power powerful things have come out and

from you know one person in attendance is a friend of mine and so she was kind of maybe more

skeptical and maybe hear more for me and just the stuff that came out from her

journaling um she contacts me now all the time and and we talk about it and

just powerful things that people that were brought to the to the surface

um about the way these they act about the way a person acts now

and going back and seeing where that became programmed and then it wasn’t

ever a true story and so kind of reprogramming that it’s so amazing how the mind works and

Television Programming

all the things involved in that and that’s right it’s called television programming right and that’s just one of

the things we’ve got society and we’ve got schooling we’ve got our parents and

upbringing we’ve got our social circles and it just goes on and on and on right and media and culture

so yeah and it’s another synchronicity too is with the

the inner child work if anybody listened to the podcast with sean white about the state

of the massage industry the gal who is present in there she has she does breath working but she

focuses on the the rebirthing breath work which i’m not really that

familiar with and she didn’t uh actually speak on the podcast so uh if there’s a

part two with the sean white and she’s there that’s another potential but yeah that’s

that’s that’s really cool and now is she doing any uh more of these rebirthing

are the this inner child work um we don’t have one scheduled right now but i’m assuming we will because we

Inner Child Work

actually had some of the participants that came to the first one wanted to come back to the second one so

i could see maybe around the christmas holidays we may skip december but i could see them

being at least monthly um because i think we have the clientele for that that would

enjoy that and and i am will speak also to um

to my personal i guess uh journey with inner child work and

i don’t know if this is because of my age but um i was kind of resistant to

i don’t have childhood trauma whatever and just trying to be my i

don’t know i guess tough and thinking you know hey my parents did the best they could and whatever

and and i had a great life but what was interesting in getting into it

is that everyone has childhood trauma and that what would be traumatic to us as adults is very very different than

what would be traumatic to us as a child and i would say the biggest thing in all of

the the work that i’ve been doing is that it needs to be a lack of judgment a lot

of people don’t want to dig into childhood trauma because they might think that’s blaming a loved one but

an example that i would think of would be um you know imagine that you know you’re a toddler and you

have an animal at home and you just get to water you know with that animal all the time and then you go out with mom

for a walk and you start to toddle up to um you know a strange dog and your mom yells at

you you know josh no and for a two-year-old that would be traumatizing

and can shift things or make you think you’re wrong or bad or whatever um

when you know we look at that and and would think that was your mom you know keeping

you safe and but we would take it as a two-year-old in a different way so i for

me that’s a good example to realize everybody even with the most wonderful

well-meaning parents in the world um and upbringing has childhood trauma and

has programming you know that’s such an important point because yeah if we look at that from an

Childhood Trauma

adult perspective it’s like oh that’s no big deal but if we put ourselves back

in the shoes of our two-year-old selves you know it’s a completely different story and i guess if we can actually

relive some of these memories from childhood it’s a completely different emotional response than we than we would

have from looking at it from the lens of an adult right and so yeah no one gets

through this life without some kind of trauma and it doesn’t necessarily have to be a huge

big deal but that doesn’t mean that it’s could be labeled trauma yeah because you think about you know

two-year-old they don’t have any reference point for that kind of danger right and i’m not

saying they shouldn’t be taught that that’s a thing that they might need to stay away from because it’s harm but

it’s like how does the parent do that right and this is why you know and that’s

another definition of mindfulness is you know being self-aware without judgment so this is you know this is not

the blame or shame or guilt parents it’s just to bring more consciousness and saying you know these uh what we think

are maybe kind of insignificant choices actually have a huge impact and i know it’s easy for me to say that i’m not a a

parent right uh so it’s it’s a lot easier for me to say but you know the the more conscious we can

be the the the better i mean the better our lives i feel will be and the better lives of our children and and those we

we care for as well and and knowing at the same time that it takes that we have to give ourselves self-care too because

sometimes you know adults and caretakers are overwhelmed where they just don’t have

the capacity for such a conscious response right and again this all goes back to self-care

and meditation where in that healing where that we have more access to

consciousness and more space and time for response

and that just more ability to to see and know how our choices and our actions and

our responses affect not only us but the the world around us and everyone we come in contact with so although it can seem

like a lot of responsibility it can also become very empower very empowering as well and i had two

Energy Work

other um thoughts as well and one is that you know with childhood trauma

to this day i don’t have any you know visions that come up that tell

me specifically where you know it was but through energy work you can release

things without having to you know talk it out bring it up

drum up repressed memories with energy work it can be done with breathing and meditation and

slowing yourself down it can be done where you know you might release trapped

emotions that you never even know so it doesn’t have to

be harmful and then a second thing that might be off topic a little bit

but bringing in the non non-judgment part to take care of our energy

one of the subjects that i researched a lot and did some videos on was um narcissism and we called it 50

shades of narcissism because again there can be a judgment you don’t want to

label someone a narcissist but the truth is there are certain tactics that are

manipulative tactics that people some people use more than others and we all use them to some

extent but just learning the tactics and and being able to you know name the tactic

you’re not labeling a person but you can once you know them you can kind of set up your boundaries and i feel like with

narcissistic uh you know manipulation tactics they’re basically an assault on your in

energy more so than you know uh you know not physically or whatever it would be an attack on your energy so it can be

subtle and it can leave people thinking that they’re crazy at times so um

so anyway that that’s just um something to also we can study things we can learn

about things but that doesn’t mean we’re pointing a finger at the people in our lives we’re just becoming more aware and

then we begin setting up our own boundaries and then that is self-care in

itself absolutely uh and going back to the the childhood thing about uh

Digging Too Far

and that that crossed my mind when you were talking earlier about yeah we we don’t actually have to have

those relived experiences right and in fact sometimes if we go digging too far

i know in my experience when i first started meditating i all these these memories just started coming up from the

past and oh i just had to know more so i would i would dig into those in question

and i just had to know things and um and then other things like well if this is coming up and i miss this then what’s

this and it just kept going like a domino effect and you know some of it was more beneficial than others but i

totally agree with lisa that that’s really unnecessary and can be kind of like a

wasted rabbit hole when in fact just a natural

simple meditation process like staying with your breath and so where the body can become more

easeful and relaxed then things just i don’t know how it happens but just

kind of the healing starts happening you know the body gets relaxed and things

people talk about cellular memory or

cellular memories and debris being cleared out and it just happens you know some things

just become released there becomes openings things come up and clear without us really having to be involved

all we have to do is kind of get out of the way of our body’s natural healing process

you know and it’s it’s cool to know things about it um and it’s you know and

and see what happens and maybe no more um other levels of how it happens but

that’s i don’t feel that’s completely necessary well and also this is just a thought that came up while you were

Radical Forgiveness

talking but if you think about you know any situation

we take it in in our view through our perspective so if we’re digging up a memory

that’s the memory from our perspective so then when you kind of like scan out or you use principles of like radical

forgiveness then things might look different so

so yeah it yeah i think that um

there’s very much to be said for clearing energy without having to necessarily bring up

memories yes and you just when that event happened to us so long ago are we

Is Everyone A Narcissist

the same person now as we were then probably not has our perceptions changed

probably you know um and then now going um

spiraling back or through the uh the the psychological manipulation and the

narcissism and the the gaslighting you know all these different techniques

you know they have gotten a lot of i guess more um attention in the alternative media

but i think for fairly decent reasons you know this doesn’t necessarily mean that everybody we

encounter is a narcissist not at all no it’s just and it doesn’t have to be personal really either this is just kind

of like an energy pattern or you know these kind of um

cycles or um kind of just

energetic forces at play i mean we don’t have to personalize it necessarily right this is just kind of well this is what

this is what the um pattern habit pattern

our training of narcissism is right yeah and um one thing that i’m thinking is you know

Subconscious Mind

just how we talk about the subconscious and the conscious mind a lot of these actions

when we when we make manipulative actions um they can be subconscious because what

what does our um you know subconscious mind do it keeps us doing things that have allowed us to

survive so if we’ve if we’ve you know used manipulative tactics

and they’ve worked we can subconsciously begin using them again you know without being aware we might be

overstepping our bounds um and i and i’m i’m putting myself in the perspective

like then of someone who used them but then that goes also for someone who is that’s why it’s so important um for us

to be aware of like what the tactics are and be able to put up boundaries so that

um it doesn’t mean that someone else is a bad person but it means they’ve been able to use that tactic in the past and

they’ve been successful with it and so they’re subconsciously going to use it again absolutely and the one thing i’ve heard

Deception

about deception and i’ve seen it seems very fairly accurate in my

experiences that when deception is used it’s usually used for two reasons one

as a protective a defense mechanism because uh you know if they wouldn’t deceive if they were completely open to

begin with then they might open themselves up to get hurt right um and then the other one

would be as kind of revenge uh so being deceptive as kind of getting back at

someone and so yeah this is right this is not um saying that um

you know to be uh to to amplify fear or be in a fear state and completely distance ourselves from other people no

not not at all this is about learning um that these things do exist

and that boundaries are necessary and they don’t have to be um there all the time they just we just

establish what’s needed at the time because you know we talk about you know loving our own hearts

and loving what arises but the exception to that is abuse so if someone’s in abusive situation that’s the exception

you have to get out of that situation as as soon as possible and establish healthy boundaries and sometimes the

most compassionate thing we can do is establish and maintain firm boundaries and send that compassion from from a

place of safety where you know there doesn’t have to be any interaction right especially

compassion for ourselves yeah one um thought that i had is um

Quote

a quote and um it was every action is an act of love or a cry for love so when we

can think about actions that way that that can kind of um give us a

different perspective of it and then um

Second Thought

oh i had a second thought that i wanted to share let me think for a second maybe it’ll come back yeah it’s like yeah

that’s that’s so such a healthy perspective i feel because that way we you know um we don’t spiral down into

negativity right because those actions are a cry for love right they’re they’re doing a lot of times they’re doing what

they’ve uh what’s been done to them and they don’t know

there’s not another way that’s known right so they’re they are crying out for love

so the second thought that i had and this would be for people who are fairly empathetic um

For people who are fairly empathetic

um would be to you know you enjoy giving and doing for others because you know you can

obviously put yourselves in their shoes but to give until you feel resentment and that’s

would be another boundary but i know myself in particular there would be times where i would do do do

and then and then find myself feeling resentful well i had no reason to resent any other

person because it was my lack of boundaries or saying uh yes to

too many things that brought that on so if you’re a person who is you know very

kind and and do for others that might be a simple tool for you to think

you know to do until you feel resentment and then to

slow down and uh this is the important point especially for the feminine right is that

For the feminine

the giving giving give and um just so conditioned to take care of

others and that’s a such a beautiful noble thing a lot of times they forget uh the feminine forgets to

to care for itself though right yeah so yeah and then and then when there’s this this kind of nagging thing of well i’m

just i’m putting out too much i don’t have enough time for myself i’m not getting anything in return i mean that

seems to be a very common thing and i guess one thing that that can help teach us our feminine side is to to be

assertive when we need to right and especially when even if we’re not interacting with anybody is to to set

those boundaries and to take time off for self-care and you know if anybody’s worth their salt they’re going to

understand that oh hey i just i’m sorry you know i just can’t not i’ve been you know whatever whatever you say to them

uh it doesn’t really have to um you know be perfect at all but if the per you know uh maybe lisa will have some um

good thing examples of what you can say but i would say whatever you say or don’t say

if the person’s worth their salt and they’re worth being around and helping and being friends

or clients or whatever they will understand and if they don’t well then

you know then that’s uh i would say then that’s we can learn from that too and that’s meant to be i do have a point there when

Boundaries

you said what to say i don’t have a specific example but i i do notice this

and it’s it’s really easy for me to see also in the classroom is when you first

begin to like maybe say no to something that you would have said yes to before

or you know take on a task or put those boundaries up if there

are you know if there’s an imbalance you know there in

in the serving and you put those boundaries into place they’re going to become if there’s

manipulative tactics or whatever they’re going to become more apparent right so originally you’re kind of

questioning with especially if there’s any gas lighting going on wait a minute am i wrong here but then when you go

ahead and set some boundaries up then if someone is trying to uh you know take

advantage of you in any way then it becomes more apparent so then it’s a little bit easier as you become more

aware of it it becomes easier to say no and then also the the second part of

that is the better you feel with taking care of yourself and only doing what you feel you know

fits in with your self-care regimen um as you’re feeling better it also becomes

easier to say no and absolutely yeah because you know the more we care for ourselves

SelfHonesty

the more we’re able to help others too and i think self-honesty is really key here too because when we’re more honest

with ourselves then we can be more honest with others right and yeah and we

can just just throw it out there with them and say you know

to the degree we’re able to be open and honest right and

to just kind of find out um maybe with more certainty of what what may or may not be going on and then another thing

is um we don’t have to really make it personal either we can share our feelings we can say okay

you know um in these in such and such a situation i’m feeling

this way right and so that can’t be argued with when we express our feelings too right perfect perfect point

feelings don’t lie and when you word it as i’m feeling this way

it doesn’t it’s not pointing a finger and it doesn’t make another person wrong it just means

right now that’s what you’re feeling and you know you’re not wanting to feel that

or whatever you know you’re wanting to uh yeah and it shows it expresses honesty

Sharing Our Feelings

something that can’t be argued or really changed or manipulated and if the other person does try to to do that well then

it becomes really apparent right away right right and then we can also judge what their response is going to be for

us sharing our feelings right and that will give us kind of a better indicator of maybe what

might be some more of their true intentions or motivations as well as how they respond to us sharing our feelings

too like that yeah it’s easier said than done because a lot of times that method

or that way of emoting and expressing and interacting in the world doesn’t happen as much

right because we’re we’re kind of um a lot of times we’re just kind of inter tangled in the drama because there is

that draw and that emotional attraction to that all the different things that surround

drama right and there’s that same programming if you’re the person who says yes to everything and you do for

Intertwining Drama

others there’s that programming that that’s what you’re used to and um so as you are subtly changing

that your energy is shifting and you know change in energy can be a good thing but

still let leave you feeling a little um a little off balance because it’s shifting and it

may be you know for the better but it’s still um it can be off-putting unsettling

Offputting Ungrounding

ungrounding um kind of um there might not be clarity to it there can be confusion right and

disorientation so again that’s when when when those healing processes happen that’s when we could just take more time

to for self-care and and integrate those um the new energy

that’s coming in and the old energy that’s going out right and i love this this uh this narcissist thing uh just on

a on a kind of a microcosmic level and an interpersonal level it can also

be kind of expanded and shown through wider society too oh my gosh it

is all over the place right now yeah that we probably uh maybe leave that for now but yeah but it’s

interesting how they can kind of relate and learn one on one level and how it

relates to another yeah yeah and then also you um there’s a there’s now a um

a psychologist that works in this space too right um yeah she does counseling and therapy and she’s here on monday and

tuesday evenings and then all day on thursday so yeah if anybody’s interested in those

Book Club

type of services they can uh reach out for more information um and i guess we also have a book club

here too on uh wednesdays right yeah wednesday nights at five and we just finished matt conn’s um um

whatever arises love that and we took turns reading and then you know if there was a healing mantra in there we’d all

say it together i think the whole group really enjoyed that and before that we did an an older book called uh the power

of your subconscious mind and now we’re in an interesting place it’s um today we’re recording this at november

13th so our next one we’re we’re all going to bring in material and decide what we’re going to do next and we might

even take rotating turns right of who yeah who gets to share material so we might not jump into a whole book right

away we’ll have to figure it out so um everyone’s welcome for that as well yeah just kind of a meeting of the minds and

sharing different things i know one time in the past we took a break and we watched um

dr uh wayne dyer’s um a movie that he had made and

so yeah just whatever we want to share and discuss and see how it affects us yeah and also the the other

Lead Retreat

thing i guess i want to mention is if any practitioners out there who would like to read lead

retreats or events or workshops uh that’s the potential that’s available uh

if you reach out to lisa uh and see if it resonates with her and what she’s doing it might be a possibility so

that’s maybe another potential for some folks right yeah right now the um timing as

i’m subleasing it is more friday evenings or weekends something like that

Contact Info

so well i think we might as well wrap it up here and do you want to leave

folks with how they can get in contact with you and maybe check out the space virtually and in real life

sure um so my gmail is fat cat longevity at gmail.com

my telephone number is 314-323-6431

and i prefer text because i can check a text especially during the day

um quicker and easier um just for an introduction i’m located at mary’s house

of healing on main street in st charles the space has amazing energy and just is

so beautiful and i have more availability on weekends

so availability is by appointment i’m i usually try to come in between

and be around here on saturday mornings but working full-time i usually uh

set up appointments for anything set well right on and that’s in missouri by

Outro

the way for anyone listening outside the state and it’s in the kind of the st louis area so it’s close saint charles is in

the st louis area um greater st louis area i guess yeah all right lisa well it’s been a

pleasure and i finally i’m glad we finally got a chance to sit down and do this thanks for joining great i always

love listening to them thanks