Qigong and Daoyin | (1/26/2021 — “Ask Us Anything – LIVE” With Denny K Miu)

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For this month’s regular open-audience, open-discussion “Ask Us Anything” — continuing discussions about meditation and related topics — Denny gives an in-depth presentation on Qi, Qigong and Daoyin (with presentation slides above) including the following mentions:

Don’t go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, “This contemplative is our teacher.” When you know for yourselves that, “These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness” — then you should enter & remain in them.

from the Kalama Sutta
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good afternoon good evening welcome to another episode of aua

ask ask anything so um good morning josh hey denny what’s

going on uh how’s the weather in california here it’s uh gray sky on a winter day typical missouri

winter which they say today today we’re supposed to have some kind of

okay we got a lot of stuff going on so anyway um uh so uh josh why don’t you introduce

today’s topic sure um today we’re um you know the

it’s it’s titled um help me out on the exact title the one

we agree on is is chi kung and dao yen but if you want to change i can change it now no that’s great so so

when um denny and i are coming up with ideas for the show um this one came up because um you know

here in the west at least from from my experience um we do get some eastern teachings in

half for a little bit but the big one of the more popular ones would be yoga but even in yoga you only

get uh the asana limb for you know in the more in the mainstream the the postures

the the the stances the positions um

and you know we get uh buddhism has really kind of taken off and flourished somewhat here in a while but

this this thing called chi or ki um you know and chi gong and um

there’s even a term uh negong that i heard about and then we’ll get into dow yin which is totally new to me

whatsoever so uh you know we might get bits and pieces but as far as an you know in-depth teaching on these and

their benefits i’m really looking forward to this so probably get out of the way most of most of the show and let denny

um give a presentation here the other thing i wanted to mention here is you know denny is a

retired professor at a major university and you know i’m um university dropout so

maybe i still have a little bit of i don’t know kind of maybe resentment

towards um organized

educational institutions but gotten a lot better but still like to poke a little bit at the established science uh the thing

is though even we need to learn about what’s

established science right now and that’s going to be a little bit of the presentation today

but the thing is even if we don’t agree with all of it or are whatever we still need to have that

reference point for what needs to be you know maintained what needs to be amplified

and what needs to be maybe letting go of a little bit or opened up to so the starting point is to learn about

the established science as well um and so we’ll get into some of that

you know while some of my work goes into some of the fringe stuff a little bit but you know even that we

need uh we’ll talk about yin and yang right knowing one without the other the other thing is though what what can

bring us all together is this part of a suit i plan to read at the end um about you know well what is to what

what should we really uh be interested in there was a group of people that were confused about all these teachers coming

to their town in the time of the historical buddha and they didn’t know who to believe or what they should pay attention to what

they should study and then the buddha um kind of he lays it out of how to go

about it in this his his his uh thing is really interesting

about what’s pay attention to what to go by and this is totally important today’s information

age where we can get flooded with information and at the same time it’s really opened up compared to 20 30 years

ago before the internet so yeah all right denny i’m going to pass it back to you

okay okay thank you thank you josh yeah so so before the show josh and i talked about um um sort of the the

the one of the deeper purpose of today’s talk is is really to um

you know really really acknowledgement and understanding of the time that we’re in the time that we’re in is called the

information uh error meaning that um um there there should not be any

resistance anymore to information and so this is very different um compared to maybe two three thousand

years ago so the stuff that we’re going to be talking about is is is two three thousand years ago

and uh josh and i um are buddhists we study meditations and all that and so buddhism

itself is very old and the irony is that the people who are now all of us who are now living

in the information era we still cling to that those silos

but those silos exist because there were no they were high very high barrier to information so if you study uh you

know with one master and that’s what you study if you study with the dao masters you’re the taoist if you study with the

buddhist master you’re a buddhist if you study with yoga you are you know with the yogi you are now a yoga student

right um but i think that the what some of the things that you talk about joshua you know you’re you’re you i i believe i

believe you have a resentment towards organize anything

a lot worse or a lot more yeah so now you know i’m open to that and there’s no the good part about what i want to say

though i still don’t consider myself technically a buddhist this is just

the the the most um comprehensive accurate helpful skillful wise teachings

that have been around that that i haven’t really found that i found the least amount of dispute

or the least amount of holes in issues in this so that’s why i study it so much and practice it

so yeah yeah so so that’s right that’s right so by the way uh buddha himself was the first guy that

that would acknowledge that he he was not a buddhist that’s right you’re a good company you’re in good company he never withheld

teachings because they weren’t buddhist right yeah yeah so what i think that way so because the question needs to be asked

is that you know what do we know about taoism why do we talk about taoism and and chico and all that and and so

the thing that i i want to kind of present to all of us is that hey you know those barriers should not

exist there’s there’s we we we should study them and what you find is that once you study

them and and digest and incorporate them they’re really like different languages but the tongue

is the same right okay so so i think i think we should probably um

get going now what do you think before we lose whatever audience we have indeed jump right in okay so so

the the presentation is today is is called um it’s called the um

the the the uh qigong the this is called qigong i’ll explain that

term in a minute versus dao yen okay and so one one thing that i wanted to kind of

emphasize is that is because because in in the process of talking about this

um we should also we should also um um uh really

reference the the western science because you know if if you want to kind of say qigong daoian

buddhism yoga all those are kind of eastern science how how does that how does that compare

to the western science because one other thing that you’re going to you’re going to find is that the the western

the western scientists i mean some of them go out as far as saying that there is no such thing as chi and there is no such thing as

meridian and there is no such thing you know they would say that and so so rather than in getting into argument

i i would propose something called experience and experiential science

science that is based on experience rather rather than science that is based on

experiment and so when you think about the western science at the modern science there are science

that are that are based on experi experiments whereas the eastern science sciences that are

that are uh that that that are uh what we do uh

is is based on experience so i hope that that helps so what is qi gong right what is that

and and so um when you mention qigong you have to kind of mention yin and yang

and tai chi and all that and so this symbol everybody is is familiar with this symbol for sure um

so what does this symbol mean what um and so typically when we look at this symbol we

say well this yin and yang although most of us don’t know what yin yang means but but it’s it’s a and b

right so we we know that actually this symbol has the name this symbol is tai chi and so you would

say well tai chi isn’t that the martial art well it’s the same name it’s tai chi now the word tai chi

is this is the chinese word it’s tai chi actually this is a modern word it used

to be called thai sheen and shin means basically perpetual

forever something that is permanent and but more now more we don’t use that

anymore we use the word tai chi tai chi and thai means supreme

chi means pole or extremity so thai for example when we talk about

when we use when we describe the sun sun we say tai yang is the supreme

brightness okay when we describe our great grand father we say tai gong

right so he’s the grandfather but beyond that and if i introduce you to my wife i will

call her tai tai which is the supreme supreme okay so let’s just put put things in perspective here now g is

interesting g g means um uh a pole right extreme the two extreme so this means

that the supreme extreme to supreme polarization the supreme uh pole so the best way and the best way

to understand this symbol is is to understand that it’s actually three-dimensional

so it’s actually um it’s actually a a three-dimensional sphere

is a three-dimensional sphere um uh and just happened to project under on

the 2d on the 2d space okay now what does that mean that

you have a sphere with the pole like that well one way to think about this is to think about the earth that the

taiji actually represents the earth and the earth has the north pole and the

south pole but these are geometrical poles right and more permanent to the to the

to the geometrical pole is what we call the magnetic pole and the question is what what how did

where does the magnetic pole comes about why would we have a magnetic pole well because

the inside of our planet earth the inside is is liquid it’s lava it’s molten metal

and so as the as the sun as the earth rotates around the sun it also

rotates around its own axis and so essentially you have these these these liquid metals slashing around

inside the earth and when you have free electron when you have metal free electrons

going then that’s current and when you have current then current generates magnetism okay

and so um when we have a strict wire for example then the magnetic field is is in circle

but on the other hand if if the wire is in circle then the magnetic fuse is straight okay

so that’s one way to think about it so so because you have these current goes around the the

the planet then it generates a magnetic field okay it generates the magnetic field now

today uh the moon has no it has no magnetic field the moon actually has no money because the moon

is is solid there’s no there’s no there’s no

liquid inside now the obviously the planet is not the planet earth is not the only

uh planet uh that generate um uh uh magnetic field right because we have

a much bigger planet called the sun that generate magnetic field because of all the other activity

and so so the the the magnetic field on the planet earth is heavily

influenced by the magnetic field on on the sun in fact the sun not only

emits magnetic field it emits particles ions charged particles so those charged

particles would be very destructive to the living beings on

on planet now fortunately because of our own magnetic field then it deflects some of those iron

those what’s called the solar cloud okay in fact someone argued that it was if you read the the development of the

universe once upon a time billions and billions of years ago when the universe was

was was being developed the moon used to have a

magnetic field and it was argued that it was because of that that it was able to protect us

and deflect much of the bombardment from the sun and that’s one of the reasons why our

all the planets that we know uh earth is the one that uh has developed life form

so interestingly um the chinese people thousands and thousands

of years ago they might not able to describe it they might not be able to perform experiment a scientific experiment but

they have the experience that they can pass on from generation to generation and they understood that a lot of our

our existence on the planet earth is is is a risk is dependent is heavily

influenced by our universe and although they couldn’t quite describe it as electromagnetic interactions they

know that there are two things going on they know that there’s the life form the life is cell gene electricity

and then and then the electricity generate magnetism the magnetism is the one that that that interacts with the the

universe so so this is this is this is the way the modern science

uh look at that now because the only thing that we right now we’re making progress we’re actually making progress in terms

of understanding the the electromagnetic radiation electromagnetic wave uh

energy of a human body for example we are now able to detect the electromagnetic disturbance that

come comes from a heart so as a heart pumps blood blood is conductive because it contains iron

and as the blood com gets you know gets in and out of the heart it generates a magnetic field and we are now able

to detect that magnetic field we’re not able to detect anything on any other part yet but at least on the heart

because it’s a major part we could now we also understand that that for example one one example that people use is you know

like twins somehow they have this this palette telepathic way of communicating out each

other even if they’re and and people conjecture that that might be our brain generating electromagnetic wave

and that out couples the identical twins

it’s kind of ironic if you think about it it’s kind of ironic that the western scientists really understood

the electromagnetic interaction if they didn’t understand electromagnetic interactions if maxwell

didn’t come along and integrate what would be known as that uh electricities and what would be known

as magnetisms we wouldn’t know how to generate electricity and we wouldn’t know how to have

communication i mean telegraph was was was was because we understood uh

i mean the earliest form of communications was because we have finally understood legitimate interaction but yet western science

doesn’t doesn’t doesn’t even attempt to understand the electromagnetic interactions in the body whereas the

chinese they have done that they have done that for thousands of years

okay and so so we actually have come up with this really complicated

uh set of knowledge that has to do with our magnetic presence and we call

these the meridians because these are actually lines of energy running through a body

and we call it meridians because it’s like the it’s like the the planet where you have the the lines

that runs up and down and the lines that runs on the sideway so these lines are very complicated they’re very very

complicated so there are 12 what’s called a secondary vessel that six of them comes from our fingers

and six of them comes from a toe there’s another eight that are called the supreme

vessels and the two that goes from our stomach in the back to the top of

the head and then down one is called the governing and one is called a conceptual and there’s four more

and then those are the those are the meridians they just and then and then there’s hundreds that goes

across okay so also all together they’re close to 720

this is called the energy points so these these set of knowledge were developed by the chinese

generations after generations by really preserving the experience so this is a

science that is based on experience as opposed to science that are based on what you can see and what you can hear

and what you can smell okay so the question is that how come the scientists are not

able to see that i mean they’re trying everything they could to really when they understand the effect they

know that you can do acupuncture on someone with while doing open heart

surgery and the guy could be looking at you and then smiling why are you doing an open heart surgery that’s amazing so they accept all that

they accept the the eastern medicine but yet they couldn’t find it they don’t they

can’t find it and one reason that they can’t find it is that they’re looking at the wrong place

it’s the same as saying that well how come after all this investment we still couldn’t find extra terrestrial because you’re looking

at the wrong place so this this chi this this this electromagnetic magnetic energy in the

body should not be think about should should not be considered as part of a body

so if you’re trying to go to a body to look for this this network achieved you’re never going to find it because it’s not part of a

body so the only way you can really understand that is that our existence

is based on a body which is physical and achi which is energetic so in other

words there is a physical body which consists of the flesh and blood

and the bones and the tendons all the things that you can you can you can do experiment on and then

there’s a separate body there’s almost like one on superpose another that is totally separate they’re

related but they’re separate that’s what we call the chi body so if you want to understand this don’t

think of this as something that is inside a body but think of it as an energy field that is closely

related to our body but is separate and and you can eventually do experiment on that but

until then you can experience it and the chinese people have experiences

for a long long time so i want to just quickly and because this first of all this diagram is for

illustration it’s not very accurate because i don’t want to refer that to to the the practice that we do so when i

do when we practice on saturday we we have the

the first part um that we alternate and so every other week we will practice the

what we call the meridian lines padding the energy points and so forth and always point to

the six meridians in the hand and and three of them and these these

meridians points actually associate with your your organ okay so the six the

three one starts at the thumb that’s the that’s for the um for the lung the one that starts in

the middle finger is for organ that is not recognized in the western science that is what we call the pericardium

peri means parameter it’s it’s we all actually chinese people actually consider what’s

around the heart as a separate organ okay the network of vessels and muscles

outside so this is called the pericardium and then finally the finger the last the

small fingers is what we call the heart now in the chinese medicine it’s more than a heart

it’s actually the heart plus the there’s a there’s a a hormone gland uh what we call the

the uh thermic thermic gland that is above our heart so when the

chinese people when they think about the heart they don’t think about just the thing that is pumping they actually associate the heart with

your your your uh your your mental wellness and the scientists finally figured out

that there is some hormone that is excreted by this gland called the happy hormone but the chinese people knew about that

so they know about it so so these are the that set of three that emulates from the exterminase

back to the organ and then there’s three that goes from the organ to the hand but not necessary to the tip

so the small intestines the bio the large intestines and then there’s one more organ that is not recognized by the western science

called the triple warmer tube so basically it’s the entire upper torso

that is separate into three parts what’s above the membrane was between the membrane and the belly

button and what’s below the belly button so there’s three parts so those are the those are the six

um the six in the in the hand and then there’s six more that comes from the toes that has to do with the rest of the organ

but i love that so we we so we we we there’s a bunch of so there’s about 12

12 of these organs 12 of these uh organs some of them recognized by western signs some of them not but

actually out of that how are they 12 the five most important one is the lung the heart

the kidney the splint and the liver and our that five we call the lung

the king of the five and so so in the chinese medicine the lung is not

something that just breathe the lung is actually the source of all positive energies in the body

and that’s why we we work on this energy point and one of the questions that that josh had asked is that why is this

point so important this is what we call that this one right here is called the it’s called the

gate to the cloud it’s actually the last point this is this the center finger is the first the thumb is the first point

it travels through uh this right here this is there’s a very important that’s why when we pad we pad

here and then it travels all the way up to the gate of the cloud and they get the reason it’s called the

gate of the cloud is that think about how you would nourish the planet earth

you have to absorb water water becomes cloud and then from the cloud it distributes

to the rest of the so the cloud is very important so this is the cloud this is the gate the the the the cloud for the lung for

the entire uh uh nutrition deliverance system which is based on the lung

the lung is the king of the five so jump in here real quick

uh and that’s you think about it because we can’t you know you could live maybe what a week without water or something

like that two weeks or maybe a month or so without food a couple months but there’s only like a maybe some people

that can hold their breath maybe for what a minute maybe five ten minutes tops you have to breathe continuously

the other thing was the spleen yeah western science they they just they they just don’t

really have any comments much on what the spleen the importance of the spleen as well

and yes the pericardium never hear the really about the importance of that um and then the heart you know linked

with the mental health yeah the way maybe to look at it uh another or not another

an additional way is if somebody has a broken heart a lot of times they’re completely you know devastated uh mentally for a

while right and you know it’s language so as well and then i guess the the gallbladder right

meridian runs on the middle finger or the smaller finger as well right i’m not the bob leather runs from the top

from one of the toe one of the toes okay so one of the things that we for example we

the gallbladder is actually very very important from the chinese standpoint because it’s it’s

the gallbladder actually um the gallbladder and um and uh and the kidney

is is a pair okay both of which are responsible for the cleansing of the toxins in the body

so the gallbladder is actually very very important in that sense um

i’m sorry i’m the global and the liver sorry sorry sir the global other in the liver i i misspoke that that

the cleansing is is uh is the is the it’s the it’s the kidney and the and the

bladder i i i just jumped so anyway let me let me go on and uh i just

want to mention that in the five breathing exercise the five three exercises that master teacher which is

the the part that we alternate and so that that’s five cent exercise um has multiple purpose first of all

it’s a meditation technique okay it’s it’s a base on movement second of all is it actually um um

we practice abdominal breathing and i’ll come i’ll come to that on the next side how important that is and finally it’s it’s it delivers oxygen

to these five uh critical um organs uh the first set has to do with

what’s above the membrane and so that’s the lung and uh and the heart and then when we do

the push hand when we do the push hand then it’s pushing oxygen below the membrane which

would which go to the kidney the liver and the splint and finally when we do the very last one up

and down is to deliver oxygen to to the to the kidney so more to josh

point is that is that um oxygen is really really important because

you know you can’t you with no oxygen you just cancel with with um if the air quality

right if you breathe bad quality air like you live in a an environment that has a lot of

pollution that’s bad for your uh your health but also think about all the diseases that we have

you know why do we have cancer cancer that doesn’t come from a virus it doesn’t come from a bacteria

it’s it’s it’s how your body survives because there’s a lack of

oxygen it’s on this on the cellular level is because somehow you couldn’t deliver

oxygen to your cell and then the cell has to has to find a way to survive so instead

of surviving oxygen they survive on something else and that’s what we call cancer

then it like feeds on sugar right and it really is sugar yeah it produces without any purpose

just that’s as good yeah yeah it’s like it’s a starbucks you know there’s a whole new species of vitamin silicon you know

that’s a distinction that when you say membrane you’re talking about the diaphragm right there the diaphragm i meant the

diaphragm no no that’s it’s a membrane yes yeah it’s a membrane okay so um before i leave that slide i just

want to mention that there’s three pressure points three energy points that are critically important

and the chinese actually think of that as the sky the earth and the man now man as in

men and women okay so you would notice and i i i emphasize that during our

practice that it’s very important when you stand you stand with this pressure points pressing down on

the ground so this pressure point is i would if i translate it we’ve got a gushing spring it’s like the

spring crushing like the old old faithful you know coming out from yellowstone park

it’s the energy gushing out from the the planet earth so when you stand it’s very and it is

located if you if you if you if you put your your your your feet up there’s a toe and there’s a there’s a

pad right there’s a there’s a and then just right there there’s a there’s a cavity and so that’s called the

the i would call i’ll translate this into the gushing spring points and so when you stand make sure

that you stand properly pressing that down now some people call that the arch of the foot as well

the arch of the foot thank you now the other point is that is that it’s right on the top of the head but it’s not at the top of the head

as much as is is in the apex and the only way that the apex is pointing up

is if you lean back and then tuck in your your chin and now it’s on top and so

when you when you sit in meditation you always have to do that and then you always have to open up these two points

to form a triangle and then finally right in the middle of

your palm and it’s hard to translate it it just literally would be

uh labor it was the first work and then and then palace i don’t know why that is it’s a place where a lot of work are

being done okay so if you want to know that it’s the second point of the one that has to

do with the perigotium and just lower your middle fingers right there now what’s interesting about this

part is that unlike the other two in addition to absorbing energy it can

actually give up energy and so all the healing and self-healing is done with this point

so when we when we when we pat a shoulder it’s with this part okay all right now i

make a real quick comment about the working thing you know the humans you don’t see animals working much um

you don’t hear about you know demons or angels or other beings working much but man because of the uh well we have an

opposable thumb we can do heart labor right uh physical labor i don’t know yeah no i i i agree with

that i think i uh you know we we when we if you look at how humans have evolved over the years

you know you can go back to what is called the homo erectus which are the people that actually stand

up straight you know with the back but that’s not that’s not the beginning of the evolution the beginning evolution

is discover this because if you didn’t have this you couldn’t hold a stick and you couldn’t

hold a state you couldn’t protect yourself it was the point of walking down the street the tree you know

this is and and sometimes when i look at yi jing jing there’s a lot we do a lot with the thumb

because it’s the first first part of a body you know first part of the evolution you know it’s very interesting yes it’s

it’s what distinguishes us from other creatures pretty much or one of the things yes now so when we do

chi gong when people do she don’t forgive me i don’t do qigong i don’t want it i want people to think that that i have

anything that you go i’m interested in chi chi going something else that explains that in a minute

so someone asked me but i remember last week josh i don’t know if you were there then he asked me a quick question so

what do you what is the difference between what you do in in qigong i say well we practice qi as a journey we don’t practice chi is

this the destination right we are we’re we’re drive by qigong guys [Laughter]

g is a is a vehicle for practice i’ll come to that in a minute all right so so if you think about chi

as an energy field and think of the qi as a separate body chi body and if the chi

is is is is fluid and there’s no blockage it actually um inference

our body body in a good way and so it’s not clear which one is the

cause and effect so if you have if you suffer illness your chi is going to be very bad okay but if you

work on your cheese so that there’s no blockage it would affect your body all right so that’s why we we do we do

that and when you when you do that then you have to understand that these 12 well the secondary vessel has to do with

uh with the internal organ and it also has to do with the of the with the extremities fingers and toe

but it turns out that there’s eight more there’s eight more they have that that are inside a body

and most people don’t talk about four of them because they actually don’t have interestingly they don’t have any energy

points associated with them and it’s only the people who practice qigong that uses them so for example

there’s one called the um uh i forgot the name but don’t worry the the four are not

important for our conversation but there are two there are two that are extremely important so think of these

two as like the the boulevard you know like the the in san francisco it will be called the market street this

is the huge blue bar that runs through and then you have these triple areas that connects to the to the main

boulevard so the 12 are the connecting to this main boulevard and so can you imagine if you have

blockage on the main highway then that’s not going to work right and

so one of the practice we do in addition to working on the triple aries is that we also work on the main highway

right and so so the main highway so there’s a there’s two vessels one is called conception vessel which

which is in the front of the body and one is called the governing which vessel which is in the back of the body

so this is called the governing vector it is actually the most important vessel okay so think of

this don’t think of this don’t don’t don’t think of it as as as organ or

think of this as a highly conductive conduit for electromagnetic energy

okay it’s which just happened to coincide with your body so it starts at the very bottom

essentially the last last part of your spine where you where we used to have the tail

you know back in the days when we were still up the tree and we had the tail that’s where it would come from and it goes all the way up

to the to the to the top of the spine continues up on the neck to the back of the head

and then it goes to this point that i mentioned which is called the the this one right here is called a thousand

meeting and you notice that is is in the back of the head so that’s why you have to tuck in your chin for it to

go up to the and then it goes all the way to the forehead to the nose to the

bridge and all the way down so this is called the governing vessel and then the conceptual so kind of

coincides starts with the forehead and goes all the way down to something called

don ten now the word tantan i didn’t really

explain it here tan is a it’s a is feel tan is is is we can say that it’s a fire

it came from the days when back in the days before buddhi dharma came to china before buddhism

really introduced the the meditation technique to china that the taoists they were actually

alchemists okay so they were when they called don is actually a pill

a ball of fire and so they actually swallow this ball fire and of course once they learn meditation

then they still use the word so when they say swallow don they meant the chi now

okay now this is actually a very important diagram because one of the questions that josh

asked me was the word chi because keep in mind that

chinese language you cannot just take one word and interpret because it depends on how you

conjugate so the word chi for example hong qi is air you have to conjugate it with the

word that means space so that’s the air that’s it and then and then uh it

just goes on and on like this okay so the word chi could mean breathing

and it could mean like energy that has to do with the blood the blood flows and carries energies

into so so which one is which and what’s the relationship the relationship has to do with the tan

tan okay so the so so the what dante means the diamonds fire and tan means feel

now the chinese people they actually believe that that what’s called the tan tan is the second brain so they actually

call this the lower dan tan and they called the brain the upper dante now again we talk about energy field so this is a

separate body a qi body that happens to coincide with the physical body and western science calls that uh the

gut brain the gut brain okay very good very good so it’s because but they for different reasons for

different reasons they they think more about the bacteria and that’s right yeah so it’s not

exactly the same yet now why why is this the why is this the brain or the brain of the or i wouldn’t i

don’t want to use brain because brains distract distract us so just say why is this the

the the the place where you store the energy the reason where the dante is important

is that what’s in the dante what is in the lower part of our stomach

small intestines and bowel or what you call the small in the large intestines so if you were to kind of stretch out

that small intestines in the bowel it’s six times the height of every human

being so a tall person would have more and a short person would have less but it’s always going to be approximately

six times the height that’s a lot of surface area that’s a

lot of surface area right that’s a lot of feces too right no sorry it’s family-friendly here so so that’s a lot of surface area and

so one of the one of the when people practice qi they might not understand

that but turns out that our body conducts electricity because every bio functions

is is essentially electricity right blood nerve muscle brain wave everything is

literacy but in addition to that our body can also generate electricity because every part

of our body is piezoelectric so if you were to take a bone and you bend it

it generates static electricity if you take an intestine and pull it it generates electrostatic

electricity so and instead it’s the storage of the electricity

it’s not a battery as much as is a capacitor okay so we actually generate electricity

and we store it and so it turns out that the dr dante your lower stomach your abdomen

is the place where you store all your qi or your electromagnetic in it all the

electrostatic energy okay so and what you want to do is you want to supply that to the second

don tan to the second brain and it turns out that the spiral core is

a good way to do that it’s very very conductive okay but in order to take that

electrostatic energy to then propagate it to the brain you need

to make it into electromagnetic energy and the electromagnet comes from the

mind okay comes from the mind and so when we do this part this is called the micro cosmic

orbit because the macrocosm orbit is the universe this is how they define

it the microcosm of it is is the human being okay so you first have to practice your abdominal

breathing in oh and imagine the teachers about that he called it intentional breathing

breathe in open your stomach lower lower the diaphragm breathe out raise your diaphragm

collapse or something and as you do that you’re exercising your intestine and so one of the questions that was asked

last week was what do you do with constipation well it turns out that this is one of the side benefit

because you’re constantly exercising your your small intestines which is really your primary

digestive system and so your constipation goes away

your cholesterol goes away okay and so anyway going back to the dante and going back to abdominal breathing you generate

static intricacies and then you use your mind as you breathe in

you you your mind travels up all the way to the forehead and as you

breathe out it travels all the way through the front of the body so these are the two this is the

governing vessel and then this is the conceptual vessel these are the two main vessels that are not associated

with with our inner organ the name on these are erupt uh they’re really

interesting the governing vessel and the conceptual vessel for what’s coming to me now the governing has a spine is with the

nervous system right so our nervous system communicates with all the other systems in our bodies i i don’t yeah tell me you know you’re

gonna jump in here and uh and and help our correct me and help me out in the conceptual you know this is how we

interact with the world right is through the front part of our body yeah maybe also yeah unfortunately

unfortunately i i i could go on and explain if i knew what the chinese would mean

except that so the chinese word i couldn’t explain that even the chinese one is called

i don’t understand so so well i think that’s something interesting yes but but it but it is the governing

because when we call the governor we would say the main you know

yeah so this is this is the exercise that we do and and now now you would say well how is

that different uh from the kind of meditations that the buddhists would do

and master actually has the word for this this is this is the samadhi for the karma

realm the realm of these the bothering defense sensations okay the desire realm too

right i’ll explain that and then the the buddha is actually if you do it right it’s it’s for

for for so it’s a small more like stages okay more like stages all right

so next one we’re gonna is um i find it’s

interesting so let’s go back to the word chi let’s go back to the word chi

now this is an o verb for chi so so thousands and years ago when the chinese people talk about qi they use this word

and so if you break it down it’s made up two words the one on the top means nothing

no empty void the four dots in the middle means fire

so in the very beginning in the old days chi means no fire

so actually what they were talking about is really hormonal imbalance

so it they just they discovered through experience that a big part of a health depends on

the balance of a hormone and they identified three

of the glands that are associated with the state of health and i mentioned

earlier that in the chinese when they say heart is both the heart that pumps blood and

the gland that sits on top of the heart which is called the thymus gland which excretes what is now called happy

hormone okay so they understand that then also understand that oxytocin just so i’d jump in there okay

thank you that’s yeah technical now it turns out that they they also believe that our our um

our regenerative organs are very important to achieve um the the testicles that stores the

sperms and the ovary that stores the egg

okay they actually believe they actually have a name for that these are the original essence

of a body and you better not give it away that’s why it is so important for the

taoist and the buddhists to be to abstain from sex both both full sex with the partners and sex

without a partner because they believe that those are the essence and you better you know

skip it what’s even more interesting is that aside from that they really

understood adrenaline going and the adrenaline gland is the one that

gives out the fire and so if you use modern science what they were really talking about

is the two nerve system and the consequence of these two nervous systems that we call the sympathetic nerve

versus the parasympathetic nerve the sympathetic nerve is what we call the fight of flight

so from our evolutions once we discovered the little thing called the thumb and we know how the hand hold on to the

weapons and then we descend from the tree we walk among predators we develop this

this nerve system called the fight of flight and it starts with the brain the brain

sees danger first thing it does is that it dilates the pupil so you want to absorb as much light as possible

increase your peripheral vision it pumps the heart by going to the uh the adrenaline gland

so it pumps out cortisone so that’s that’s uh that’s a steroid

pumps the heart it dilates the the lung so you can

breathe you need oxygen because you’re getting ready to either fight or flight it’s actually one thing that they don’t

mention here is that it shuts down the cyber clean because you don’t need it anymore

there’s library sliders are very important to your health right often overlooked by the western scientists then it

it it start to activate the liver because you now you need glucose you

need energy okay and i talked about the adrenaline gland already it gives out all the hormone the the

three kinds of hormone the the cortisone plus two kinds of adrenaline it shuts down there’s stuff

that you don’t need it shuts down the stomach shuts down the the bladder and shut down

your your reproductive system

so that’s that’s that puts us in that mold where we are energized unfortunately modern

people don’t know how to shut it down we are we are in the fight of flight mode 24

7. maybe not so modern maybe back in the days uh the chinese people understood that

too so think about what happens if you sustain in that mode for any length of time

first of all your liver releases fatty acid tricastery

so that causes problem with your cholesterol

you now have high blood pressure right your slivers your stomachs you’re not

digesting you’re going to have very bad health so all this stuff is really really bad for

you and so with qigong tai chi

meditation yoga you know dancing whatever they all have

they all have one thing in common which is to put you back in this rest and digest move which

reverse that chemical process by going into this thing called the parasympathetic nerve so

it essentially reverses everything okay so the chinese people they understood

that they understood that before they understand anything else which is that our health depends on

a balance of a hormonal system and if your hormone is out of balance then you have too much

fire because you have too much of the steroids too much of the adrenaline and so the chi kung the chi in the very

beginning is about that it’s about releasing uh that now over the thousands of years

that the chi or the development of the enhancement of chi the qigong

there are different things okay so we’re now going to talk about the different kinds of ways that you can enhance cheat but

before we do that i want to borrow a diagram from dr yang data yeah and i have something in common he’s about 10

years older than me we both have a phd in mechanical

engineering and we both decided that it’s time to pursue something else so he pursued

qigong he actually learned martial arts when he was 15 and he so looked that up he uh he’s very very good and i like

this chart and he says because he asked the simple question what is chi gong what is chicano first

of all i’ll explain she going in a minute but she going essentially the practice of she how do you how do you practice qi

and basically he says well what if you just go play a play golf or you you you just run around

the block is that chi gong he said yes it’s a matter of whether you

use more of your body or you use more of your energy

and so so if you use entirely your your your body you would generate

qi but that’s exercise and you use less of your body and you’re like you’re

doing meditation sitting meditation then that’s qigong but now you use more of a chi so

i like that because it puts this in perspective now the word chi has evolved and so it went

from the old form which is no fire to this other form these other characters which is a

combined of air and rice so i remember josh said that one time he heard someone says that the

word chi comes from the sound that you make when you cook rice i i don’t have any problem with that that discussion

oh hang on just i thought they said like sometimes the pot or the lid would just fly off

unexpectedly i can’t remember it uh sometimes it would do that and sometimes it wouldn’t and that sound would would approximate

i don’t know now i think dr yang has a better i like dr yang’s explanation he says well chi is energy

and where do you get the energy you get it from air and you get it from carbohydrate

okay so that’s that’s your existence right now what’s interesting is that if

you dissect if you think about think about all the ways that people associate themselves

with chi how do you enhance geo how do you develop meditation right so this is the

one where you focus more on an energy and less on your body or you focus more on your body

so tai chi chi gong jing or you focus on combination

okay because you can do a walking meditation right and also when you do tai chi and

qigong you’re supposed to also be mindful so this is you can’t just have one without the other

okay and finally we can do physical therapies to enhance achi acupuncture you know

cupping okay cupping is is is is not that well known until a few years ago and all of a

sudden all the athletes now stop the cup you know they they come up with these little thoughts on the body you know

massage or acupuncture a pressure right these these you can you can use to enhance your chi um

food very important you know we the concept of hot food cold food food that are nutritious you

know or to go beyond to that in the food that has less pollution air air quality you could have herbal

supplements too you know people talk about ginseng as really good for you for your qi ah people talk a lot about

the environment and how you want to align with the positive energies i mean people go to go to

go to park and hug trees as part of enhancing the qi so the sun the moon the earth that’s

obvious turns out that jupiter jupiter is the biggest star in the in the universe has a lot to do

with with our achieve and then finally you know you can go extreme and talk about your original

accents and how you preserve or or regulate your hormone

focus on your adrenaline gland or your kidney or preserving you know your sperms and your eggs by

abstaining from sex of any kind danny um one thing that’s really jumping out here

is the previous slide was that uh meditation used um

qi and energy but now to enhance it you have meditation we have meditation on here so um how how

does that work because um enhance means something different than than using right

yeah it’s maybe we can first no no actually i think it’s worth work worth uh discussing because

because um let me go back to the slide dislike uh the question i think the deep

the deep deeper question is that which one is better for you which one does the most efficient jobs

in enhancing your chi on the very first time that we we live

cast on real stream um i’m sorry on the inside timer a question was asked

uh what do you do with pain and i jumped and i i thought that he was

talking about quant you know chronic pain and i said you know if you have chronic pain you

should go see the doctor but what we do is is suffering as uh you know really suffering his mental pain

when i thought about it some more i would if i have a chance i will ask him again

because a lot of times they talk about pain in practice what happens when you sit

and all of a sudden you’re you have pain you know what do you do with that do you make it go away do you how do you

do that and so if i i might not be again you know i’m very good in not answering questions

but if i understand your question correctly is that how is sitting meditation compared to

walking meditation for example which one is better in devon chi

i would answer it this way [Music] there are four postures sitting standing

walking which which is you know uh exercise and then lying down

and we are the only animal that’s capable of all four

okay so why not use all four

we’re the only one species that can do so why don’t we use all four so so the chinese word for the full posture

is actually the four supreme posture so in other words it puts it in a on a

pedestal so so if i were to answer the question again i would say

just change posture if you have pain if you sit for a long time just stand up

and that’s the thing right uh there’s a few teachers that say movement mask suffering

um because what’s what happens if you’re sitting in meditation the pain gets so unbearable a lot of times the natural tendency

without training is just to move because that kind of covers up the the actual pain right or you don’t notice it

is if you would continue to sit still right um yeah you you become numb you become numb

to the pain right well that could happen now because master’s teaching is is he goes further than that he actually

associate each posture with an element and so sitting is earth standing

is is is fire lying down is water and and and and walking his wind

and so he talks about how the fall has to interact and and that create that actually enhances the chi so

so my my my answer if i understand your question correctly is that there is no one

posture but balance all four right very well yeah i was just thinking

that you know sitting meditation it seems sometimes like it it doesn’t really necessarily

give me more energy but it kind of balances out rough energies a lot of times especially

walking walking does it beautifully if you have too much energy it slows us down or you know lowers it a

little bit balances it but if we have if we have don’t have enough then walking will help you know bring back up the energy levels

as well so correct correct right so so it’s it’s very important to to balance the fall

pause posture it’s very important to utilize the synergy between uh between the four and

it’s also very important to realize that there’s this two clip and so if you’re

talking about the tao as is a row as a path and you’re meditating along this path that you really

understand that there’s this two cliff and it has to do with the five hindrances you know one

is the the sleepless and the uh tobit right and then the other one is the the highly

energized states which is like the anxiety and so you could you could fall into

this cliff while sitting too long because then you go into one side you know that would be called the the

the lazy zen you just you know sleeping basically through your your sit and then the other one is

called the monkey zen you know where you look like you’re sitting but your mind is someplace else

so so these two are two of the five hindrances and so one of the one of the magical thing about master’s

teaching is that it really gives you that balance so you have the energy the chi

to support you so that you don’t fall into this the sleeping part and yet

because of the qi you can now focus your mind onto this one part and stay away from

the thinking so instead of using your brain as an analytical tool

which is right next to your yourself your seven consciousness it takes it away and focus on just being

aware of your breath and the time okay so it’s very magical anyway uh let’s uh this is not going to

be done in one hour but that’s okay unless you have to go okay

so i’m going to talk about chi versus chi gong now i’m going to say this by saying

that chi gong is actually a very new word and i’ll explain why that is okay but for now because it’s used so so

often now once we say chi gong we kind of know what that means because the word chi gong sorry

the the word this is chi and this is gong this actually made up two word on the left hand side

means work on the right hand side means effort so chi gong just means the practice of chi

that’s all it means and so if you think about how modern people practice chi

there’s something called the medicine chi the medical chi medical qigong right the practice achieved for the

purpose of medical benefit so this would be acupuncture

understanding the energy points and and the influence of energy points on the health

chinese traditional chinese medicine herbal tea you know all that so that would be chi

gong which is the practice of chi for the purpose of uh medicine

the second one is is physical qi and so this is this is not unlike um yoga you know once yoga came

to united states the yoga that is practiced in united states is what we call hatha yoga physical very forceful

you know it’s exercise and so you could actually take qigong with the practice qigong and focus it

mainly on the physical the physical body now but all nothing one will argue that

that’s the entry and as the persons get more advanced he will go

back to the mind which is you know kind of combination like that graph where you start with the physical the body and

then eventually you you go to the energy part so yi jin jing is is also like that and

although i’m not going to talk about you jin jing that much there’s like at least three different variants of you changing

then there’s what’s called the scholarly qigong the practice of qi beauty for

knowledge and a peace of mind so to be fair you know we call it

mindfulness a couple times ago i’m going to call this mikchi gong okay

to be fair okay so finally there is something called the spiritual qigong the spiritual qigong is not that

different from buddhism the purpose of buddhism on a spiritual level

is to escape from samsara so that you come back in a better

in in a better form now turns out that so again now let’s go

back to qigong when did what qigong came out came from it’s very recent it’s actually very recent it’s less than

it’s less than 60 years old i want to talk a little bit about the modern history

of china so um china was invaded by the japanese we

actually fought a very long war much longer than the pacific war and so when um when when

when we dropped the atomic bomb that was the end of world war ii as well as the end of the silo the

chinese japanese war so after that there was a civil war between the communists

and what’s called the nationalists and that lasted three years and so in 1949

the communists took over china kicked out the national estate they went to taiwan and so there’s two china now and

they basically quote liberate china but because they’re communists

communism come from germany communism is actually science it’s a social science

it’s a form of social science and like all science it’s it’s all about

our material existence it’s not about a brain a mind is this there’s no

there should not be there’s no god no it’s not a religion although i would argue that by saying that you

don’t believe in god it’s a religion by itself you know atheism is a religion

so then they decided that they’re going to undo all the religious practice in china they took all the monks and

moved them out of the temple destroy the temple make all the monks go back to their

household life force them to eat meat force them to to have sexual intercourse they do the same thing with the taoist

now i was born in 1956 so i remember when i was about one and a half years old i actually remember most people say

you don’t remember anything before you’re three i actually remember a lot before i was three so my younger brother

was three years younger than me and i remember that one visit very well from macau which is

outside of mainland and we crossed the broader to visit my my grandfather and i remember my mom was

not pregnant because they went to swim in the in the river so i had to be less than two years

old and i remember so two years old means 1958 and china was very peaceful very nice

people were helping each other and all that well it turns out if you look at the history or immediately after that they they started

what they call the the great leap forward where they start the collective

and so they they they put all the uh the means of production together thinking that they’re now gonna live the social

is alive well that was a failure and so it started this three-year famine

which finishes in 1961. nobody knows how many people died but it

had to be in the tens of millions actually died from salvation so in 1962

they recovered from that and then they find that people were very weak because they were male malnutrition

malnutrition then they realized that wait wait a minute we do away with religion

but we also do away with some of the technique that allows us to

maintain our health the medical qigong the physical qigong all that so why don’t we bring it back

so they invented this word called qigong which is a secular way of

practicing chi without all the religious baggage so in the process in 1962 they

outlaw any kind of spiritual qigong

and limited only for medical and physical so today when you think about qigong

that’s all you have is it’s how to use the body enhance the cheese so that so that

you’re more healthy or you know one or the other

but no one ever talks about the spiritual part

but if you were to go back to what would be considered the patriot

of taoism

a scholar somebody and he was born nobody really know he was born in the

5th century bc which is interesting around the time when buddha was alive and

he wrote the treaties and some will argue that maybe he didn’t write it his student composed

it doesn’t matter but it’s associated with him called the tao zi jing and dao means the way the means

virtuous ethical it’s so it it gain mean king means treaties so it’s the book

it’s a classic on the way to be an ethical person and you look at his

writing look at his writing and now of course everybody trying to interpret those

those writing i’ll make the argument that you cannot interpret those those those writings

if you’re focusing on only the body you have to bring yourself to a different level you have to bring yourself

to in a level of where you are in a wicked being okay in fact how many

argument that that that the message here is no different from the message in the diamond situa look at the first

line it says dao okay i’m not going to say the chinese but it says the tao that can be

told is not the eternal it’s not the real dao okay so the minute you break an egg is

no longer eight come on trust me okay the name can be named is not the

real name okay now people write books on interpreting that but you interpret it

based on us in the physical existence i’ll make the argument that forget it

you’re not going to get there this is this is about experience and not about physics not about your

deep into the 49 45th chapter there’s another one it says

in pursuit of knowledge every day progress is made right so when we study you know like we

talk about josh didn’t like organized teaching all that much but he but but

but he he’s he’s he he didn’t tell you the other part which is that he studied a lot on his own

yes and it’s it’s not it’s more that um questioning some of the dogma things

that we take for granted is the fact and this text is great because um you start especially if you’re doing a spiritual

practice you read it once and then you pick it up again maybe a year later and you just get layers upon layers of new

ways to see it and understand it and in depth and insight so it’s a good thing to just keep picking up and

reading every once in a while because it’s so multi-layered so deep and profound kind of remember reminds me some of the zen

koans too you just can’t approach it in certain ways that we really wanted it’s all

it’s all about the experience you have to experience it as opposed to trying to understand it through through your

through your your your logical um so what does this say it says interesting

knowledge everyday progress is made in the practice in the pursuit of chi in the practice of dao every day

progress is lost now if you study the diamond sutra the

diamond structure has a structure where it says something is something something is not something therefore

something is something it’s kind of weird yes no yes what they’re talking about

is that three layers and of course um diamond suchway is is the sutra of the wisdom it’s the panya it’s the

panya and so they actually talk about three layers of polymer panya panya that is on the words and the

intellectual understanding pioneer that is based on the understanding

the not the understanding i’m sorry let me practice that the on on the experience direct experience

and pony are based on emptiness so that’s why it

is aba’s yes no yes in other words in the beginning when i look at my

finger is the finger later on when i experience a finger i realize that

it’s pointing to the moon and the moon is what i’m looking at finally when i understood emptiness

the moon and the finger is one of the same right so this is this is what taoism and

buddhism have in common and they thought talking about the physical body this is something that the communists or whoever

they can’t understand it the western scientists can’t understand that because they’re looking at it in the wrong place

i’m going to take a break because i want to understand i want i want to talk about samsara i think samsara has gotten a bad name

danny um we probably need to wrap it up though in the next 15 minutes because i have to be somewhere too i should have reminded you that on

tuesdays i have something to do at two here’s and i needed some travel time but so i don’t know do we want to break this

because we’re already 15 minutes over usual do we want to break this in the two pieces let me try to do in 15

minutes and i don’t want to break it up so quickly uh samsara what does samsara means

well i want to i want to go back to please because i want to i want to talk about science i embrace science i just

understood it to be experimental science so one of the famous scientists is galileo and what did galileo do

well galileo was was studying the orientation the court of jupiter and the moon and

the sun and the earth and he coordinate that with the rise and of the tide and he came up with this

theory which was against the church teaching that it was earth that that circle

around the sun and not the area around and for that he was put in house arrest another scientist

came along isaac newton famous story about how he sat under the

tree and the app will fall on his head and he discovered gravity which is not true but it’s a good story

interestingly he did that because he was at home he was actually sheltered in place

because there was this great plaque in london so he discovered gravitation

and he’s basically using he also had to invent calculus and so he was describing what galileo

have uh observed and he described the planetary motion

and and how uh earth can sustain and orbit

by velocity and therefore which gives a rise to the centrical force which counterbalanced the gravitational

force einstein came along he’s a troublemaker

he wasn’t even trying to disprove newton that just came free and what he was thinking about is that

he was looking back at all the work that has been done until until he came along he says

why do we assume that time is absolute why can’t

time be relative in other words josh is sitting in saint louis and i’m sitting in san francisco

why do we assume that one second of his time is one second of mine time there’s no reason for that

and so he came up with what’s called the relativity where he make the assumption that only the speed of light is constant

the speed of light in st louis has to be the speed of light in san francisco but other than that

nothing is absolute especially time and so then he came up with this idea

this thing called the time dilations that that different parts of space can have different time

and he associated time with material in other words if you didn’t have

material you didn’t have this physical uh presence then you don’t have this rising and feeling

right people things you know then there’s no reason for time okay and then he basically mapped the

the universe based on material and time and he some he didn’t actually come up with black hole but people

later on use this theory to come up with this concept of a black hole in other words again you look at the universe and you

you kind of think of the universe as as time there’s a part where time is very long and

there’s heart that’s really short and so if my time in san francisco is very short and the time in those very long so now

is one second of my time is two seconds of his time then josh would live twice as long

so there’s a tendency for me to run towards things and that’s called gravitational pull

so in einstein’s world gravitational pull is not a law of physics but rather a a consequence of

the time space continuum in that if you map out the universe in terms of his time then

there’s a pool there’s a natural pool from the place where time is shorter to the place where

time is longer where until you reach the very end where time is infinite where there is no time

that’s called the black hole jump in here and say this relativity is still a theory right

and then also this no relativity relativity relativity itself is not a theory

unfortunately it’s not it was not proven when einstein was alive so even though einstein had a nobel

prize he had no price for something else okay so it’s is it the theorem of relativity now

no no no relativity is proven and is it without uh using relativity none of our our

cellulite would work well see i’m trying to find out what the speed of um the speed of time is as well yeah

but what is not proven what is not proven no no speed of time what is the speed of time

so you know so but that’s that’s one i haven’t heard an answer to the other thing is though you know even

though these started out as mavericks and heretics now they’re all mostly uh entrenched in scientific things so

where it’s almost heretical now to question what was once heretical which is now

totally established but we’re not going to go into that now so right okay so i want to continue because we i am

running out of time so i want to talk about this this concept of of time dilation this this this

concept of relative time because there’s a very good movie and i like i watch it many many times

the reason i like it so much is that um the person who wrote the script and the person who was responsible for

all the technical uh aspect was professor uh uh thorne from caltech

and i i i did three years of uh post uh postdoc a visiting scholarship

visiting scientists uh at post at caltech and every summer i would see professor thon

and and professor stephen hawkins have lunch together but they’re in a different level so we would have our own

little table for kids and they have the big table and so he professor thon was the one that actually

did this movie and in there there’s a scene where the astronauts landed on this planet called planet

mirror miller which was very close to the black hole so time dilation dictate that they have a

different time and they were going to be there for just like a few minutes and because of this reason

they were there for one hour and so when they returned back to the space space

vehicle which was further away from the black hole turns out that one of the kali who were

the same age as they uh had become an elderly person because he had

he was there for three hours so the person had already aged 21 years okay so this is in the movie it’s based

on relativity is based on time dilation now the buddhists have similar talk uh similar discussions

and so we talk about this this this diva realm which is still in i’ll talk about that

in a minute where this is like we talk about man animal hungry hoes

i’ll come back in a minute but but there’s a part where they they can become divas so divas

would be like the angels uh in all the rain they would be like the with the people that had long ears

that live for a long time what is that called with the arrows elves they would be like

the elves the angels the the the the the wizard you know that

kind of thing they’re a little higher and so in the buddhist teaching they said well at the very entry level which is the the realm of

the four heavenly kings so these are the four that are guarding the temple in the japanese temple there’s two

there’s om and ah and so every year would be would be every day there would be 50 years on earth and so

forth and so on so so if you use that then i’ll make the argument that the planet

the miller planet and would be would be somewhere between here and here okay so this is 168 years

so anyway going beyond that um there’s a whole

host of teaching about time dilation and time space so we we

actually live in three different realm and now i’ll explain why i talk about this in a minute

and the rams are divided into what is called the desire ram or the comma lucca

so right here is is the human being right below is the human being and above is the there’s a six different

diva right where the where the where the gods live and then uh down below there’s the hell

there’s the animal there is the um there’s a hungry ghost and then there’s

also the azura now if you were at taoist your purpose would be to come back

in a form that is better than human and better than human means that you

start with this six diva realm inside the kamaluka

and if you’re lucky you would reach further into this thing called the rupa

luca the form realm where you no longer have the body form is not the body gaia is the body okay

form is just the is the energy presence so i’ll make the argument that this one has the physical existence

and here is all energy existence and here we have the first jania the second and the third

and by the way john janna translate into chinese is chana which became chan which became

zen so when we say zen meditation that’s that’s our objective is to go outside of the common realm

some people talk about it as subtle energy and subtle matter so it’s not the mat the gross material matter we’re uh

accustomed with yeah i i that that actually that was there and then i i didn’t want to put

that in because i didn’t want to explain it and finally you have the formless ram so so this is like

if you think of this as a soup you know this is like the chicken soup with chunks and this is

like the broth and this is like clean water okay yeah all right okay now what’s interesting is

that this entire thing is called the brahmara realm so when we do yoga in the united states

we do the hatha yoga it’s all about the body but when you go to when you go to india it’s about one with

the brahmanas okay now samsara is

when your next life is within these three so when you say spiritual taoism

it’s all about this three when you talk about spiritual buddhism it’s beyond this

three so the difference between buddhism and taoism is that the taoists believe that there’s

body and then there’s chi body there is and it uh the the physical presence and then

there’s the energy presence the buddhists believe that there is also

a third which is the presence of just the information

which is actually consistent with the quantum mechanics view of the world that in addition to the conservation of

energy and concentrated measure there’s the conservation of information what’s called the quantum information so we’re not going to go

through that too much all right so i hope i explained

taoist practice in terms of people practicing downs for medical

people without practice thoughts for their physical health for physical strength people practice

stories for a dial or qi for strictly as is as knowledge

but there is one called the spiritual dialysis which is not part of what the communists prefer and

so one of the questions you asked many years ago is

the the falun gong what is what is the deal with the falun gong because they gone beyond they are now approaching their qigong

but they’ve gone beyond sort of the hatha borrowing the word qigong and go into spiritual she going

for that they’re they’re prosecuted okay all right so if the qigong was used only in the

last 60 years what was used before and and if you notice master never used

the word qigong he used the word dao yen now

interestingly we translate into tao as if the same as as the taoism but in fact

it’s a different dial now this this word is really really amazing the part above here is

tau is in the way let’s break down this word this part has made a two part this one

is the head this one is the vehicle

so thou is in the path is your head walking along with using the right vehicle

this one now yen they add something else to it which means inch so this is guiding

someone along the path inch by inch so tau here means to guide

but it’s not just tao it’s yin yan means to entice which is a little

different from that in fact it’s the same word that we use for threading the needle

so if you want to successfully thread the needle you got to start with the thread and the needle and so tau yin

is a way of of enhancing and discovering and developing

achi requires both guidance

and enticement in other words your tea is already with you you just have to bring

it up and so very interestingly there’s a lot of talk about how thailand is four thousand six thousand eight

thousand years old i’ll just go with what is actually uh provable which is that in 1973 they actually discover

a set of silk painting which when they do the carbon dating is 168 bc okay so it’s so it’s it’s

about um it’s about 2 200 years okay this is the first record they said that there are others

but this is the this is the most authoritative record and people actually can reconstruct that and they discover

that there’s actually 44 figures in either standing or sitting postures all practicing

exercise all for the purpose of maintaining health and preventing disease

okay the last slide is what does that have to do with us

right what does that have to do with us us meaning like buddhist meditators

and i go back to what i said last weekend when i said i practice we practice dao

as a journey not as a destination because what we really want to do is to escape samsara not in this life

maybe but ultimately so that we’re no longer

um chained by our body right we’re now into this pure form so

that’s why i call it emancipation you don’t liberate a slave you emancipate a slave

you just have to stop enchaining them right we just have to stop chaining ourselves to this physical

presence so so this this actually came from dao so you see you see tao is very close to

to buddhism if if depending on how you look at it so the first one says

is is so they they break or they break our uh they break down our existence into

jin qi and sun jing is essence this is what i call the original accents

but for for most people they’re just the body okay so let’s not be so restricted and just say

the uh our existence is the body the physical person’s the chi the energy

body the chi body and then finally the mind which remember last time we were talking with the mind

that in the buddhist the pure mind is all information it’s all karma versus attachment right

so so if i translate this it says it’s three steps but it’s not one two three it’s actually triad so you

keep going back in circle okay so you you you

you you practice mindfulness of the body in order to enhance your cheeks so that’s that’s what we do in the first half hour

then you keep practicing your tea in order to unleash your mind

and then finally you reach a point where you emancipate your mind you free your mind

you liberate your mind if not to attain emptiness to at least attain

equanimity

yeah okay all right danny that was so that was so cool thanks so much learned a lot and then when to say you

know uh yeah to practice this to eventually at least keep a human rebirth if not a higher rebirth until

you know final emancipation nibana nirvana where he’s out of the cycle all together

right i think i think if you go back to the chart that was put together by dr yang you could put a

three-dimensional chart okay so that you have the body the qi and the mind

and you can choose you can choose to focus more on the body more on the qi and then with that you

know eventually walk down the third axis which is the mind so so keep things in balance right yes but

but the most important thing is back to the first slide that this is all about experience and not about knowledge

that is in line with the buddhist thing and that’s what i wanted to yeah to leave on here and i just want to

throw out some questions questions we’re not going to have time to answer right now but related that we might do

in the show notes might not um how are you know how are these energy points and meridians

you know uh determined um you know like it’s something we could probably never answer because

uh like it’s through it’s through experience yes exactly yeah so so actually if you

if you just look at the development of the meridians and the pressure points we actually had some of that in the

early ons and then eventually eventually it really came about after buddhi dharma

gotcha okay well i’m just gonna we we’re really out of time here i’m just gonna throw these out here the the resources

we can maybe put some resources for people that are starting to study and then if uh if anybody wants to

involve themselves and or seek out maybe practitioners for uh for therapy things as well that

we talked about earlier um the the the blockage blockages and

how you know how cheap blockages could um form and how they can be done

uh the other thing dynamic i found was really interesting was the uh you know how certain things in the body

if you put certain physical things in the body you can affect uh chi and vice versa right the chi can

affect the physical body and how there’s a separation but they’re they’re closely interrelated

um then we talked or you’ve talked about before the the breath

in relation to the um um chi and then um let’s see the yeah give us

some feedback so we know we know what to do you know the next one but i think we should probably end and so

if i if i may uh i want to end with something that you taught me which is this hang on just one second the thing i said

i wanted to read the kalama sutra so here’s just one small a few lines here he says

do not go by reports by legends by traditions by scripture by logical conjecture by

inference by analogies by agreement through pondering views by probability or by the thought this

contemplative as our teacher when you know for yourselves that these qualities are skillful

yes these qualities are blameless these qualities are praised by the wise these qualities when adopted and carried

out lead to the welfare and to the happines into happiness then you should enter and remain in them

yes yes it again to summarize experience exactly experience for

yourself right what is that what is that called i’m trying to look for it i’m sure i won’t find it

but um what is it called when they when he makes the hand it’s called uh pasico

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