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Enjoy this heartfelt reunion conversation with meditation teacher and Dharma friend Denny K Miu. After years apart, they dive into their shared history during the CO-V lockdowns, Denny’s evolving political awareness, and how Buddhist principles like wisdom, compassion, and harmony can help navigate the fear and division following Trump’s re-election. From personal immigration stories to globalization’s impact on the middle class, societal grievances, and practical health tips via Denny’s N.E.U.R.O framework, this talk blends spirituality, politics, and self-care. Discover how to “unleash the glory within” through meditation, emotional intelligence, and equanimity amid uncertainty.
0:00 – Introduction & Reunion: Catching up on friendship and past “Ask Us Anything” sessions during lockdowns.
5:00 – Pandemic Reflections: How COVID sparked their online presence and meditation adaptations.
10:00 – Political Shift: Denny’s increased focus on politics post-Trump re-election, viewing it as a new wave of fear and uncertainty.
15:00 – Executive Orders & Dictatorship Concerns: Discussing lawlessness, intimidation, and the erosion of checks and balances.
20:00 – Global Perspectives: Bewilderment from Asia/Europe on U.S. changes; Denny’s 50+ years as an immigrant.
25:00 – Societal Changes & Immigration: Neighborhood shifts, racism, and the myth of “illegal immigrants” vs. criminality.
30:00 – Globalization’s Toll: Loss of middle-class jobs, union decline, and the shift from governance to grievance politics.
35:00 – Hidden Influences: Tech figures like Peter Thiel & Elon Musk, Project 2025, and moneyed “games” in politics.
40:00 – Emotions in Politics: Politics as an “emotional con game” like Hollywood; addressing fear, attachment, and the five hindrances.
45:00 – Meditation & Dharma Application: Wisdom vs. compassion, changing ourselves first, and emotional intelligence.
50:00 – What You Consume Consumes You: Reacting internally to external events; harmony as a bridge.
55:00 – Brahma Viharas & Practice: Loving-kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy, equanimity, and daily reflections.
1:00:00 – Health & Longevity (N.E.U.R.O Framework): Nutrition, Exercise, Unwinding, Restorative sleep, Openness; balancing sympathetic/parasympathetic systems.
1:05:00 – Harmony in Society & Planet: From personal health to communal empathy; America as a “failed experiment” needing balance.
1:10:00 – Reflections on Death & Paradoxes: Integrating mortality awareness with health pursuits for deeper freedom.
1:15:00 – Closing: Unleashing inner glory, metta practice in real life, dedicating merit, and farewells..
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Audio: Immigration, Dharma, Health, Societal Change, & Unleashing Inner Glory: Reunion Talk with Denny Miu
Unedited transcript via YouTube:
Introduction & Reunion: Catching up on friendship and past “Ask Us Anything” sessions during lockdowns.
again. None other than Denny came. You Denny, what’s happened? I I’ I’ve been here. It’s just that
you’ve been disappearing on me. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, no, this is this
is the thing with with friendships, right? Like um it it hurts. I don’t put the burden on myself or you.
And I think this is a sign of friendship, too, where we could reach out after years and then it’s almost
like no time has passed. You know, we we only been chatting a couple minutes before the show and I I lost Josh. I lost track of the
things that you kind of um uh uh encouraged me to do. You know, things
like insight timer things. Oh, I I I lost track. It just there’s so many different things you said, Denny, you
got to do this. I said, “No, no, no, no, no.” He said, “No, you got to do this.” And then it becomes that thing. You
know, it is. So if for those of you are who are new to I guess either of our work um
Denny and I used to do a ask us anything for uh for years and especially it was
during the uh the lockdowns the some people call it scandmic even and uh it
helped it helped me anyway I can’t speak for Denny but it helped me get through that it was a huge support and um so
yeah Denny you want to say something about that and then I guess we’ll just jump right into your your work I think and um I guess If this is if this is for
new, you might uh give people a quick background on yourself. I I guess one I my understanding is that
one of the reason that Josh reached out to me is that um in addition to a small
change in his life um you know he’s he’s been out at the United States and and
then you know as you look back and you see some of the uh the work that I’m doing now that tend to uh be a little
bit more political or at least be more aware of the uh political um scenario
happening in United States. And I if I understand correctly, you kind of say, “Hey, Danny, you know, why can we just
have a conversation on that?” Right. But but in any case, um you mentioned about
the pandemic. I I actually remember the the day that San Francisco uh started
the lockdown and I believe that it was either February or January 23rd, 2000.
And it No, 200. No. What is it?
Yeah. I think probably what wasn’t it two was No, it wasn’t 2000. It was it was it was uh 2020.
Well, that’s what I Sorry. That’s what I we were both thinking the same thing, but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 2000 was another
another so many things happen. Another end of the world. Yeah. I I think I think you and I got together
because um it just it was the right thing to do, you know, because um all of
a sudden you have this huge event, people don’t don’t understand what’s going on. There’s a lot of fear. there’s
a lot of um um fear mostly fear and then and then uh and then we we were used to
doing physical things and then we got locked down so you and I kind of both started this online uh presence and and
it was in in a way it was quite new and how do you do meditation how do you
start a class on meditation online when you can’t even feel the other person right and so um I I I think the pandemic
or however you want to characterize it, it was a major event in our life that
caused a lot of fear and I think when if you want to um come back to what’s
happening in the United States with the with the new freely elected president, I want to keep that in mind, you know. So
I mean I I I uh I have to accept that that he was you know unless unless we
discover something we don’t know or or we prove something that we thought we know but in any case the man is
reelected but I think of it as as as the pandemic number two you know 2.0 in that
it it caused a lot of fear as well and fear and certainty and and so forth. So
I think that our our it makes sense that our life changes a bit or as how we um
not just our personal life but also how we uh pursue uh meditation you know
bringing dharma to the people and and so to the extent that you know um u Joshua
saying hey Danny you know you seem more political now than ever I I don’t think I am uh but I am I am bringing that in
because it’s you just need to confront it, you know, for the for the same reason that we were online during the
pandemic. You know, you cannot ignore that it it’s not there. You just have to confront it. And I think with the new
president and the way that the country is divided, um uh I think that uh we
just need to confront it and talk about it, you know. Yeah. And this is what my exartner had
Pandemic Reflections: How COVID sparked their online presence and meditation adaptations.
pushed me more to do because for years I’ve been more a-political. You know, to me, politics in general is an emotional
con game. It’s kind of designed to people trigger people out emotionally.
And so whenever I would start to get into it, I would get kind of it’s weird
this triggered emotionally. And so I didn’t find that healthy. But uh all sticking my head in the sand isn’t
really going to help anything either. Now, I don’t think I really need to take a side on on everything, but what I do
need to do is like Denny says, is start turning towards it more. At least reaching out and hearing what other
people have to say about it. You know, I don’t think I’m an outsider, so to speak, because I’m still I mean, even
today in in Prague, where I’m at now, I mean, I was in a TA room and it was American music the entire time. I mean,
American culture is almost everywhere in the world, I’m guessing. Of course, I haven’t been to too many places, but I
hear it all over the world. So, for better or worse or otherwise, it’s it’s
it’s saturated American culture throughout the world. Um but the the
political thing um what I’ve been seeing and telling people that um whether you
love him, hate him or otherwise um even if there is some things that are
somewhat beneficial to some people. What is really troubling that I see is these executive orders that if that becomes
normalized that is like a dict uh dictorial uh decree you know this is
what dictators do they say this is what I’m going to do and then you got to do it so if that becomes normalized I mean
a lot of people can’t imagine someone worse than the the president but what if there is somebody that’s a lot worse
comes along and then over the years just this becomes natural for the president
to issue all these executive orders and people just go along with it and the
checks and balances of the the Congress and the judiciary branch are no longer
um keeping that in check the way they did then to me that seems like a dictatorship or has the potential to be
a dictatorship. You know, um we’ve got we’ve got militar militarization of the
police. I mean that’s been going on for years. I’ve heard it’s um stepped up in DC now or the news says that. Anyway, um
so I think that’s enough. I’ll throw it back to Denny here. Yeah. I first of all I I uh uh I want to
go back to what you said about uh you know the European perspective being a uh
uh American living uh uh uh outside the country and and seeing all the uh
popular popular public culture being so heavily influenced by the quotequote American culture. Um I think the rest of
the world um at least in Asia where I’m more familiar with and possibly by
extension the Europe Europe as well is they’re actually more bewildered with
what’s going on in the United States than it is that they they lost faith in
you know the American uh uh spirit in in some way the the the Asians and the u
the Europeans uh either just out of um uh their own uh hope for the better.
They seem to have more confidence in the resiliency of our our system than it is
for us who’s living in here. And many of us are really really uh dis you know
really in a deep state of despair. Exactly what you said in in about the executive order. exactly what is just a
reflection of the lawlessness that is going on that um you know I I’ve been in
this country um um more than 50 years now uh became a a naturalized American
citizen um and really um um
accepted uh the idea that we should all be contributing member but with the idea
that it’s a very in inefficient system you know with the division of power in
the three equal branches. Um, so what you see now is is is that it’s it’s
actually it’s dictate it’s dictatorship but it’s actually more like um uh th
you know there’s a there’s a group of people uh represented by an individual but he you know the problem is not with
the individual the problem is with the group mentality in that there are certain things that they want to do they
want to remedy and they decided that um the two other branches can be ignored
and they basically ignore the judicial branches uh because it’s it’s it’s by
design it’s a very slow moving mechanism. So in everything that has been done um
Political Shift: Denny’s increased focus on politics post-Trump re-election, viewing it as a new wave of fear and uncertainty.
since the beginning of this uh um uh presidency
uh is illegal and is being challenged in the court. But it doesn’t matter because
the court moves so slow slowly that it it’s not really a balancing uh power
anymore. Uh and then and then on the other side on the on the on the um on
the Congress um it’s basically intimidation
you know it needs intimidation both uh by basically controlling the entire
general election process. So, um it’s not that the it’s not that they have the
majority, it’s just they have such a vocal and powerful minority that they can basically um defeat that person,
their own Republicans in the primary. So, that’s a that’s a threat, but there’s also the personal threat. You
know, I think Nancy Pelosi came out and says, you know, you know why people are so um afraid? He just look at me, right?
I am the speaker of the house. I should have all the protections that the country can bestow on me. And yet
someone can just walk into my house and and uh and attack me
and then attack my husband by accident. And so people are not afraid are not um
are very afraid to speak out. So so essentially you have this way of doing what they want to do even though that
they know that it’s illegal. Uh but they can get away with it. they can get away
with it until, you know, um and and the irony is that this is not one party
versus the other. You know, if you if you think that the Republican party is is evil, then you know, the logical
conclusion would be that well, in a year when we have the midterm election, then the Democrat should win, you know, his
majority. But that’s not even the case. there there’s no confidence that the Democrats can take back the the the
House and because because this is going back to what I said is that it’s easy for us
to focus on one individual and think that he is the one that responsible for
all this but it’s not true it is not true it is it is really a movement
um across the world you know for example recently in Japan they have a guy who’s
running for office under the banner of Japanese first, you know, and he’s
pointing to all the uh non-Japanese immigrants that are coming into legally,
by the way, legally uh uh to take up jobs, jobs that they cannot fill. I
mean, I go to Japan three times a year, four times if I could, but I see how in
the major cities they they just ran out of workers. So I see a lot of foreign workers, people from um uh the
Philippine, the Indonesia, the Bangladesh, even the Nepal and they come in, they’re very highly educated. Um
they have college degree, but they work they’re doing service jobs and they speak perfect Japanese because they
train, you know. So you have they they’re they they’re very very uh um met
meticulously attracting uh talent because they just they don’t have people. You know every year they lose a
million people. That’s a lot of people. It’s a aging uh problem. But the point is um what we have in United States is
really a reflection of the entire world. And so one one would ask what what
happened then you know what has happened um in the in the last let’s just take
the last 30 or maybe 40 or maybe 50 years and I can give you a personal experience you know I I will open the
door open the window I look out and I see the change in my neighborhood back
in 1974 when I first came to this neighborhood uh three years after we
came here um as u as as as immigrant. Uh my dad bought this house, very rundown
house. All windows were all broken and all that. And back then it was like less
than $45,000. They bought this house, which was a lot of money back then. And we were the
first nonwhite neighborhood that moved in. Maybe not the first, but there were very a few, but there were very, very
few. And I remember the first day that I walked out the door, I opened the door
and the guy across the street was yelling at me and says, “Why don’t you go back to where you come from?” You know, because we were very very few of
us. It was a new thing, you know, for the for the non-white immigrants to now keep in mind that the guy was yelling
me. He himself was an immigrant, you know, perhaps from Ireland or whatever. It doesn’t matter. But you see, you see
Executive Orders & Dictatorship Concerns: Discussing lawlessness, intimidation, and the erosion of checks and balances.
how the society changed and now there was a time but not anymore. Well, it’s interesting. There was a time when I
look out and all I see was Asians, you know. So, the question is what happened to the the the the the
white immigrants that were living there? Well, they can’t afford to live here anymore. They don’t have good paying jobs, you know. So, so what happened
then is that the globalization of the economy, you know, pushing out all the
manufacturing jobs, pushing out all the union jobs to the third world country,
places like China, places like Vietnam, it it empties out the middle class in
America. You know the definition middle class as I remember when I first came to this country in 1971 was that my uncle
his wife my my aunt was the oldest sister of my father and so she she
became American citizen and it was her right to be reunited with her family. So
we came here as legal immigrant, right? And when we came, you know, my uncle uh
who was a World War II veteran and it’s because of the fact that he was a World War II veteran, he got exemption from
what is called the Exclusionary Act. Exclusionary Act was was a uh legislations at the end of the 19th
century to basically u prevent the Chinese people from coming into to the
United States. So if you were in the United States and you were not born
here, uh from that day on you cannot go back and get married or you cannot even
become American citizen. And that was happening for a long long time until World War II came and my uncle who came
here as a as an immigrant. Uh he volunteered to join um the Navy and
because of that he was exam from the exclusionary act. And so he was able to go back and marry my aunt and we came
here. And so back to my comment about what is middle class back in 1971.
middle class was my uncle working as a postman which was something that he could do because he was a veteran and he
was just working a 9-to-five job. That was it. You know, my aunt didn’t work and they had two kids in the in house
and they had a nice big house. They have uh I mean two or three cars and they
they had a union job. There was no concern about medical medical benefit. There was no concern about job security
and you know, and they didn’t have to worry about the the the future. They didn’t
have much of education. Even the kids didn’t have to worry about much of the future. The kids didn’t even have to
need a college degree. That was back in 1971. Well, that is completely gone.
That is completely gone, right? Because because all those lowpaying job, all those um has has left the United States.
So then the question is that what happened to those people that used to live in my neighborhood? Well, they had
to move away from California from the blue states to the red states. So
they so over time in the 60 years 55
years that I’ve been here our election our political system has gone from one
where we are campaigning on governance to one where we are campaigning on
grievance. You know, it was a big deal that George
W. didn’t serve in the quote unquote regular military, that he was he was a
he was a a national guard. That didn’t it was not considered a honorable enough
experience to um uh sacrifice for the country. You know, uh Bill Clinton never
served and in fact was able as a as a draft dodger. That was a big deal.
You know, so before that, you know, the the the Reagans, the Rail Reagans didn’t
serve much neither, but at least there was a reason for, you know, he did his thing.
George HW, you know, was a big deal that he was a a veteran. So there was a time
when it was almost a minimum uh barrier
to entry for someone to run for a public office that they have to be a a veteran
serving in the war making sacrifice for their country and they have to be
somewhat upright um you know character because we want them to um be our
leader. And so there was a time when our politics was all about governance and in
fact we expect them that whoever elected them in office they serve all the people
Global Perspectives: Bewilderment from Asia/Europe on U.S. changes; Denny’s 50+ years as an immigrant.
and everybody campaign on that everybody execute on that and but that has moved
from governance to grievance now and so it’s all about grievance it’s really all
about how I’m a victim and of the
economic systems that all the good jobs has gone to the immigrants all the you
know so it became America first and you know the movement is called make America
great again which really meant make America white again that’s what it means and people really react to that and
that’s just the reality and it’s not in the United States it’s all over the world I mean Europe’s
a worse actually in some way well I all I can say is I’m kind of glad that I’m out of the United States right
now in in a way, but Denny, you said so much here. Um, you went from the term I
like at the beginning when you started is gangster capitalism. You know, we’ve had gangster capitalism for quite some
time now where yeah, they um yeah, they they rule they rule business like
gangsters and um you know, oh there’s so much here. The whole immigration thing
is a huge huge huge uh mess in political football. Uh meaning that so many sides
are involved and will spin it their way to get what they want out of it. You
know, um I don’t really know what to say other than the the United States is still an experiment. I mean compared to
a lot of the rest of the world I mean it’s such a new country and such an an experiment and it kind of got off the
from the ground start really quite powerful and influential which is I
don’t know if that’s unheard of in world history because I I’m ignorant a lot of world history and actually a lot
ignorant of a lot of the what’s going on in in the daily uh news because I don’t
really follow it um all these headlines and things But I will see say that that
this mere metaphor is really important that it these are kind of reflections of ourselves and the society. Not that I
can necessarily speak so much but there is a lot to that in spiritual teachings. Um uh yeah I don’t even know where to
start with the immigration thing. I mean pretty much everyone in America is an immigrant uh other than the native
people in you know that were kind of forced off their lands in in genocide.
And we don’t even know much about what came before them like the Mississippi mound builders. We get way back into
ancient history. But the one thing I wanted to mention here is u for all the brilliance that Denny has put here and
uh has a grasp on what’s going on. This is to me it’s it’s almost not
necessarily surface level. It does go deeper than that. But there is things that are going on behind the scenes. I
feel there’s like a hidden hand. you know, what are the deeper forces at
play? Those with a lot of money and power who don’t want to be in the
limelight because then they will be kind of exposed to what’s going on. Um Trump
is still kind of um you know, the the president is kind of a figurehead still. Those behind him wield a lot of um power
and stay kind of in the shadows. And the one thing I’ll throw in here though too is um these I I don’t want to say techb
bro but there’s kind of a transhuman uh technocratic movement coming on with
figures like Peter Teal, Elon Musk and things like this who want to um some
people say have a a technocratic state where everything will be micromanaged by
technology and like social credit scores things like this and um this is I This
is a huge concern too. Um, so I don’t uh I think this is another big dynamic. We
also have this agenda 2025 that I think that’s what it is where there’s a a huge
religious Christian aspect um to the right and um project 2025 I think. And I
don’t know enough about that but some say there’s a big revival resurgence in
uh in certain areas of America that are playing into that. Um, so yeah, there’s there’s a lot of things to throw in
here. Um, but yeah. Well, I I like to Josh, I I I want to pick up on one thing that you said um um
in the beginning, which is that uh you didn’t like politics. You thought that politics was a a con game. And so um so
so I I I agree with that. Absolutely. I emot emotional con game.
Absolutely. So, so but it’s not the only emotional kind of game. So, I think
people told me he says no politics is Hollywood for the ugly people.
That’s great. The grievance that you said is really victimhood is really important. So you you really have to
Societal Changes & Immigration: Neighborhood shifts, racism, and the myth of “illegal immigrants” vs. criminality.
understand politics in the context of Hollywood which is that those people the
people who are um working in Hollywoods um they succeed because they understand
uh human emotion and they want to um create a um scenario
and a story line that would stir up the emotions. Um but that is um economic
enterprise. They do it for money. I I have no problem with that. You you know in the um um uh Hollywood is a very
risky game. I mean you you you know how many movies has have flopped. You know
how movies that have succeeded the first time in a sequel flop. But the point is that Hollywood is in some way is a con
game as well, right? It’s creating an imagery that uh it entire purpose is to
stir up emotion. Yes. Deceptively and it’s a cess poolool and it uses there’s money laundering
involved in a lot of well there is that too but but on the face of it on the face of it it’s it’s
entertainment. Yes. Right. And successful entertainment is when the people who um behind who are
behind the enterprise understood human emotion. And so politics is exactly the
same. Politics is successful when the people behind it also understood human
emotions. So I want to come back to the human emotion because I want to come back to what it means to a med med
meditation teachers like you and I um when we’re dealing with what I call earlier the pandemic 2.0 because we knew
you know looking back we knew what the opportunity when the first pandemic came right and now if I wanted to just borrow
that this is 2.0 I know. So the question is how as a meditation teacher you know
deal with that right how then and so I’ll come back to that but then I want to come back to this idea that that
politics is the Hollywood for the ugly people well guess what uh Hollywood has
a lot of people behind the scene as you mentioned politics have a lot of people
behind the scene so the question is if politics have people behind the scene
and they’re behind the scene because they see it as a way of making more money, which is fine. Well, then
politics have people behind the scene because they see it as a game. It’s not
about money anymore. There’s no unless unless you’re um uh you know of course
people are in politics because of the bribery because of the uh all that and
they make a lot of money you know especially with our president now you know basically manipulating the stock
market by announcing terror one day and then and then say no no no maybe not you know and then pointing to companies and
no that you know the CEO should be fired that’s all um manipulation but put put
that aside put that aside is that there are a lot of people behind the scene in
politics who are doing it as a game and they do it as a game because they have
play every other game. They have so much money that they don’t they don’t know what else to do. Right. So you mentioned
the tech bro. So it’s as much as you point to the money behind the scene on
the Republican side, there is more money behind the scene on the Democratic side.
As a as a as a general stroke, I would tell you that the people and living in San Francisco, I know this. If the
people who are behind the politics in San Francisco are the rich people, but by and large, not not not 100%, by and
large, there are people who have inherit their wealth
and they look at themselves and say that I can’t even spend the interest
of my inheritance, right? I’ve done everything, you know. I travel around the world. I built big mansions. I I
Okay, so I’m going to put it in molding the society in a way that
I think is the right way. So for them, it’s a game. Now you have the same people on the other side. I’m glad that
you mentioned Peter Till and this is this is this is the you know, Peter Till is the dark role of the Republican or
the new Republican party. He is in cahoo with um uh Elon Musk and together they
were the guy that uh uh arranged for JD Vance to be the vice president. They did
this knowing that uh Donald Trump is not going to last four years. you know, his
health won’t support him for, you know, that and so they’re putting um JD vent
Globalization’s Toll: Loss of middle-class jobs, union decline, and the shift from governance to grievance politics.
in place, you know, to be to be so they have this plan, they have this, you know, decades
of plan now. So talking about so both sides are are manipulating us just like
that they what they do in Hollywood. So and what they manipulating
is really what are what we call um the Buddhist students the people who study
Buddhism what we call the five hindrances is the attachment attached to something
in the past attached something that you know whatever that is they want to attach to don’t want to give up on what
makes them feel right and feel good and it’s the aversion
and then finally is The fear is the loss of faith. So a big part of what we what
we what we see on both side is fear. It’s the fear for the future, fear of
the immigrants, fear of job security. And fear is basically a combination of
attachment and loss of faith. And then if I have to pick two words that really
dominates our transition from a political system that is based on governance to what I now call a
political system that is based on governance. The two words would be fear and conspiracy.
Yeah. You know, and it’s um wow, there’s so much good stuff to get into here, Denny. Um fear. Yes. When people are in
fear, they’re easier to control. you know, they will give up kind of that a lot of things they normally wouldn’t give up for a perceived sense of safety.
It’s all about controlling the narrative. What is Hollywood based on a narrative, a story, right? Whoever
controls the narrative has pretty much um control of a lot of things. And I can totally agree with um these people that
have more money than will ever spend in multiple lifetimes. What do they do? It’s just it’s power. And then these
people get in like secret societies. uh some are in occult circles and do really um horrendous
horrible things that I’ve heard he heard of but I can’t corroborate any of that and so you know that stuff may or may
not be and then it’s all based on secrecy too right because if um if they
can hold secrets and we look at the military-industrial complex look at Eisenhower who warned us of this who was
a huge general you know and he and this is this is a huge deal and then we have
super PACs where you have anonymous money that you can’t trace back, know where it comes from. Now, I’m kind of on the fence
here. I’m not anti- moneymaking, but when it comes to anonymous unlimited
donations, uh, buying and selling politicians, and we don’t even know who’s buying them, basically the
blackmail operations, the brownstone operations that they have dirt on so many of these people they can pull their
strings or make it up, you know. So, it it is really um in a state and I’m not
really big on calling a constitutional convention either because as as as bad
as things are, I I think it would if we rewrote the constitution, it would probably be even the state of
consciousness and um you know, conscience that that we’re in right now. I don’t think that could really help
matters a lot either. Um, yeah. So, the there’s there’s just so much and I’m I
want to be more we’re offering solutions, you know, instead of just stating the problems. And in what Denny mentioned with the
hindrances, this is where um we can’t control other people, you know, as far
as I know. I think I cannot control other people why we’re here. Yeah. And this is why practice is so so we’ve
kind of laid out the kind of the big picture here and even gone into specific Josh, if I may. Um, sure. I I do want to
talk about I mean I want to go back to the beginning which is you know um in the beginning of pandemic you and I you
know we see this this this um this event coming up that is going to cause a lot
of uh uh pain and anxiety and we change our way we become more more online you
know uh online presence that’s really you know even though we met physically at one point most of our engagement has
been online so I want we want to kind of say what is the paralle Now, you know, how do we do that? How do we adjust
that? But before before I do that, if I may, I wanted to just wrap up this idea that that that politics and Hollywood is
all about manipulating emotion. And I want to give you one example of how both
sides are manipulating the emotion. And um and this is coming back. I think you
mentioned about immigrants and you mentioned about this country being a country immigrants that we have this
long honorable um tradition of welcoming immigrants. So I just look at I mean
there’s a joke that the French want to get want to want the want the liberty uh statue of liberty return because we no
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longer you know but the point is I want to just make it very very clear as an immigrant myself. We do not we do not
have an immigrant problem in the United States. None. Zero. It’s not even there.
Now, the reason I say that and I I’ll I’ll say that the problem didn’t come
from the Republicans. The problem didn’t come from the people who are backing the Republicans agenda. The pe it actually
came from the Democrats. They actually came from the people who I said you know who by the most for the most part have
inherent tremendous well but didn’t know what to do with them and
they so they want they had this twisted idea of what the society should look like and this it all started
when they started using the word undocumented immigrant
this is where I began now when I first came to United states. I still I I might
still have it. I I don’t know. I don’t have it. I don’t have the green card anymore. What is called the green card?
I I when I became a citizen, they took away my green card and they gave me a thing that says that I’m now naturalized
American citizen. I still have that. But when I first came in 1971, I came in
June and by August, I received this card. It’s not exactly green. It’s
called a bullish, but this called a green card anyway. And on top it says
legal alien. So there was a difference between
illegal alien versus legal alien. Now back then we weren’t think about UFO.
We’re just basically saying that okay you know you have people who live in this country and you have people who
came into this country. So people who came in this country were called aliens.
They weren’t even called immigrant. They were called alien and we were illegal.
Okay, now this is very important. So how do you become a legal alien or what we
call now a immigrant? Well, it wasn’t because we had any right. We weren’t
even part of the country. So we had no right to be here. The only people that had right were
American citizen. So our immigration policy to the United
States not there were there were the refugees you know the statue of
liberties was all about the refugees people who came in and you know escaping
property escaping uh political prosecutions and all that and we had a system to bring to accept them and then
eventually make them legal. But we were not that we didn’t come in here as a as
as refugees. We came in here as legal immigrants and our green card says legal
aliens because we were aliens but we’re illegal. So all immigrants to the United
States even today have to be legal. And in our case, we came because my aunt
who I mentioned earlier was American citizen and she had the right as an American citizen to be united with her
family. And that happen that family happened to be their offsprings, they
get prior priority and then if they happen to be uh siblings, they had lower
priorities and so forth and so on. So we came with my f my father who was a
sibling and we waited our turn. So eventually um our turn came we came and
across legal alien. Now
that’s the only way that you could be an immigrant because there is no such thing as
undocumented immigrant because they would have been called
illegal alien. So if you came into this country and you came in illegally, you
are a criminal, you broke our law and you have no right.
You have no right. In fact, as a citizen, we have no right. Unless we cross the border. This is something we
don’t understand is that well, we have a right. We have the fifth amendment. We have all that. Well, that only works when you’re inside the country. when
you’re outside the country c before you cross the border the custom agents they
don’t have any reason to give you any rights because you haven’t crossed the border yet
so we have to understand that we don’t have the immigration problem in this country
we should stop calling the illegal aliens undocumented immigrants
because number one they’re they’re they’re not immigrants number two is that they broke the
Okay. So, Denny, you’re gonna have to help me um understand this a little bit. I I
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think I know where you’re coming from. I can sense now. I have been away from America for almost over a year now, and
that this is become a huge um emotionally charged issue. And I I don’t
you know, I don’t really understand it. I mean, I am a descendant from immigrants, you know, maybe third or
four, fourth generation. But hang on. But you were a citizen because you were born here. That’s right. And so that’s and that
doesn’t immigrant doesn’t make it doesn’t is not even part of the discussion here.
You know, you are a citizen. I mean, we can talk about this is legal language. So this is um we
if you and I don’t have a legal background. I mean we have to get like blacks law dictionary here. We’ve we’ve
got maritime law. We’ve got um natural law. We’ve got all this stuff that I don’t understand. Exactly complicated.
It is really not that complicated. Um, up until now, if you were born in the United States,
you’re a citizen. Well, sure. I understand that. It’s not that way in the all parts of the world, though. Just
No, no. We’re only talking about this country. The United States. In this country, if you were born in United States or even in territory that
are controlled by United State like the Panama Canal, you you would be a American citizen.
Now, there’s some discussions. Well, maybe your parents has to be legal first. You know, you can’t just come in
here, you know, gave birth to a baby and leave and then thinking that. Okay. So, that’s that’s something aside, but very
simply, if you were born here, you’re American citizen. If you come here legally
after 5 years after you satisfy some criteria for example not breaking any laws you know
this and that you can naturalize and become an American citizen. So American
citizen is one huge bucket. There’s no mis there’s no uh ambiguity on that.
Okay. Then the question is then how can you become a legal immigrant? You can
become illegal immigrants if you have a family member who is American citizen
who sponsor you and they cannot sponsor everyone but you have to have the right
um uh require you have to satisfy the right requirement and then they apply for you to come to United and then you
wait your term. Some of them wait 20 years. You know, these days, if you apply for your brother to come here, it
you have to wait 20 years, but they wait the term. Okay? Or you come in here as a
uh refugee and you’re applying for uh refugee asylum and that kind of thing.
or you come in here, you’re a student and then um this is something called the
the uh Einstein rule which is you’re so brilliant that the uh government gives
you legal status or there is even in the past there is a um uh um kind of a
lottery. There actually is a lottery that you know every year they give but all these are legal re avenue to become
a citizen. Then you have the illegal And if you are illegal, you broke the
law. You’re not an immigrant. So you cannot confuse that with the legal immigrant. If you confuse that by
calling them documented immigrant, yeah, that’s that’s I got it.
Okay. And that’s the problem with why so many people of color, whether you’re
Hispanic or you’re Asian or whatever, we actually either in fact or in spirit, we actually
support the Republicans because we have turned to become illegal
immigrants. It’s it’s disgusting to think that you can be just come in here. Anyway, I I only want to say that
just just to say that this is not a problem with one political party versus the other. This is not a problem with
one individual versus another individual. The problem is really with the money behind it.
Absolutely. And uh human trafficking is a huge thing too. I you know that’s not
right. Exactly. And this is why Denny makes a huge really good point that this
is words matter really a huge amount. I’m so glad you educated me on this
because what what they’re falsely labing as illegal immigrant is just straight up
basic criminality. Has nothing to do with immigration, right? there’s there’s criminals
and then there’s what what Denny said with with um with the immigration status
because you know it does seem does make sense that there are people with like you said multi-generational wealth that
are that u move um human assets let’s I don’t know if that’s the right way to
put it in certain countries in with the with the intent to destabilize certain nations in order to divide the people
Meditation & Dharma Application: Wisdom vs. compassion, changing ourselves first, and emotional intelligence.
cause unrest and then uh take power and control. So I I could imagine, of
course, I can’t back that up with a a lot of documentation. But I could
imagine that would be um something that somebody um could do with a lot of of
power and money if they wanted to, you know. Um but that’s just straight up criminality. That has nothing right
now. I I want to I think now is a good time to come back to what why we’re here. uh exactly you know both you and I
deep down why we’re here we’re both meditators we’re both meditation teachers
so I think the problem is that um in our in our um uh um uh teaching the Buddhist
teaching we we emphasize the duality of compassion and wisdom and so in some way
you can say that you know when one party they trump uh well Trump is a bad word
here but but the point is that they they focus more on compassion and and not so much the wisdom, you
know. So you could be very compassionate and do the wrong thing if you didn’t. So
the question is what what is wisdom then? Wisdom wisdom is not uh smartness.
Wisdom is not knowledge. So in our teaching wisdom is to understand your
own emotion and not be burdened and by it. And so this is really
important to the teaching now because if you think of what’s happening with the
new uh regime and you think of that as pandemic 2.0 know and this is stirring
up a lot of emotion and so the question is how do we deal with that and and uh
and I think one of the thing you mentioned Josh is that first of all we can only change oursel we can’t change
others so there’s places where you can change others you can go out and you
know walk the street do the protest all that and we know we’re not staying away from that that’s something you can do
and taking the message to the people but as a meditator, as a as a as a as a
Buddhist student, we don’t believe in that. We don’t actually believe that. We
believe that we can change ourself first and then once we can change oursel, then
we can then change inference or maybe use ourself as an example for other
people to uh reflect on. And so what we do is really cultivating our own wisdom.
And our definition of wisdom is to truly understand our emotion and be sensitive
to it. And so what we sometimes call emotional intelligence and intelligence
means two ways. It means uh being very how to how to use our emotion very
intelligently. That’s one way. And then the other way is learn to be sensitive to our body and the breath so that they
become the intelligent agent to our emotion. Right? So one of the so so to
that to to so to that extent ever since um the new regime um I’ve been um kind
of writing essay as introduction to my weekly class and for those who are not
used to that you can look at that and say wow Denny’s become very political I am not I’m using the politics the
reality of the politics as a context for
uh our practice right so one of the one that I can think of is the one I said
everything happens happens within us
you know it’s very easy to uh open the TV or to you know open the iPad read a
news article or to talk to a friend about politics and to think that the
politics is happening to us no actually the politics is happening
but what really happened to us is what’s inside of us is how we react to it and
and you know another way that I uh another um title that I use is I said
what you consume consumes you you know so the other side is playing
with fire you know he’s playing with people’s fear he’s playing with the people’s uh uh uh uh tendency to believe
in in conspiracy and if you consume that
it will consume you. These are really good points, Denny. Um,
yeah, it’s a it’s a tough one. First, I wanted to say that I Yes, I guess you can consider me a meditation teacher.
I’m more of kind of a Dharma friend that likes to share Dharma and uh talk about
What You Consume Consumes You: Reacting internally to external events; harmony as a bridge.
Dharma related things and how that applies to her life. And I couldn’t agree more with this this internal
notion of it. Um now how um how we view things and how we respond to things. The
wisdom aspect you talked about that’s right view right right re right right view and then our right intention as
well. And uh also wisdom will uh I think wisdom in the heart meet in um our
thoughts our speech and our action too. And the most beautiful qualities of
emotion I feel and relating to the world in general general are the Brahma vaharas you know the meta the compassion
the sympathetic joy or the rejoicing. Let’s not forget that. That is a great remedy for when we get too or when I get
too bogged down in negative things like that too is thinking of all the goodness
that um that I have shown in in my past and all the goodness has been shown for
me and all the success and joy that other people are are having and how that
can um contribute to my well-being too. And then the equinimity. Um, a lot of times there’s not anything we can really
do in in a certain way, you know, in just knowing that every being is responsible for their own
actions. I’m not responsible for any other’s actions and speech other than my own. So, in a way, I would love to have
a less individualistic culture in a lot of ways, but because things are so divided, we we almost have to look at
the the individual level. I think in the states and this is where it can be um a
strength in a way to meet uh each individual hearttoheart you know mind to
mind heart mind to heart mind and that’s how I move through the world too instead of dealing well I still deal in
abstractions and generalities you know because those help us kind of I don’t
know sort navigate through the world when we need to kind of have a bead and how to orient ourselves and how to make
choices but when it comes comes down to it, it’s a face-to-face, heart-to-heart
conversation with each individual you meet. And that’s how I kind of um know
whether to be skillful, whether to set boundaries with someone or to let them
in uh to trust or what’s needed in the moment. And and wisdom just kind of um
our wisdom comes through in every aspect of life. So like Denny was saying, everything is um is an opportunity for
practice. Nothing is really separate from practice. And in fact, nothing is really separate at all. Everything is
interconnected and interpenetrating each other too. So so what I um what I do to
someone else affects me um and vice versa too. So these are the
training and you know we we start off with generosity. That’s something everyone can do. And the Buddha would
only teach uh generosity starting off and then he would teach sila or ethics
you know and it’s all based on nonharming um you know and then and then into the cultivation bavana of of
meditation and then wisdom. It doesn’t have to necessarily be like a stepladder. I mean each wisdom will
inform our meditation practice, inform our e ethical conduct and ethical conduct not because oh I should be but
because this is for our welfare and happiness in that of others you know and not to be believed in you tried
sorry about that one moment I um I spilled coffee in a little light moment
here on my laptop and uh luckily the only thing that got fried was my camera
so I’ve got my uh iPhone as the camera there. A little bit of a blooper something for the blooper reel there. So
yeah, no it’s and I know this from experience of my past actions were not the greatest things in the world. Let’s
just put it that way. And it took meditation for me to see them. And so this is I I really feel this is so
foundational, so important of you know nonharming, not stealing, you know, and
training though and uh not not not speaking falsehoods and uh refraining
from intoxicants and which one am I missing here? Um sexual misconduct, you know. Um yeah. So
so these are these are really helpful for our well-being and those around us, but don’t take my word for it. It’s a
training. Yeah. So yeah. So in my case, in my case, you know, since the the last the big part of this
year, since the new uh regime, new president, um I’m I’m focusing more on
uh harmony, more on harmony. you know, I’m I’m really um trying to much
actually in some way I’m I uh it it it makes my life a little easier with all
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what’s going on outside because for example the first time u I held the Saturday class after the election I
point to the camera and said if you vote for the vote Trump you don’t belong here
I don’t want you to student that I think that you’re evil it’s just that I have no time for
Cannot hear you. Cannot hear you. Sorry about that. My My own Denny um I’ve quit voting actually. Now I don’t
really encourage anyone else to do that. Uh because we can’t we can still have effect on a local level I feel. But I
think I’ll just I’ll put that aside for now. My reasoning. But you know what I you know what happened after I said that? Not one
student left because none of them vote for Trump. It was a nonissue.
I’m not I’m not really point it I had to do that because it helped me focus and
now I’m focusing on the people who are in distress.
Okay. And so the question is how do I approach my fellow citizens who are in distress
because of what’s happening outside of us. And what I find is that well let me
just focus on something that we all have in common right now is that for the most part we are aging baby boomers.
And so health and longevity is something that we all have in common.
politics is not maybe it is but is but health and and longevity. So I in the
last uh nine months or so I focus on that. I have the politics as a
background and I talk about how the politics the daily uh on and our daily
attack on our emotion on our spirit on our physics has um how it affects our
health both our physical health and our mental health and and also how we live
in the last 60 years. you know how how the society has changed um affects our
health and it comes down to essentially in the simplest form is that
in the last 60 years we have tried to outpace our evolution.
You know, all the way back when we first got off the trees and start walking upright and
living in the cave, there was this harmony between when you’re outside the cave and when
you’re inside the cave. When you’re outside the cave, you’re in danger. Your body has evolved into fight or flight.
And when you’re inside a cave, your body was able to restore itself because you’re now in rest and digest. And so to
the extent that meditation has helped people’s health is that we gave them a
mechanism and a platform to restore what we call the autonomous disorder autonomous nerve disorder and and that
turned out to be very powerful and so a lot of student came here just just you
know so I talk about my my teaching in terms of nur
o is nutrition that’s outside the class there’s something you have to do e is
exercise. That’s all right. That’s what we’re doing here. But the kind of exercise that that is is not it’s a
balance between energetic exercise and restorative exercise like yoga. And then
finally uh u is unwinding. You know it’s this idea that you know the vagus nerve
is very important. How do you how do you reactivate the naked nerve? Slimeber is
a very good measure. You know, people talk about hydration, but self hydration means that your your body is in harmony.
And then finally, restorative. You know, of all the things that we do wrong, not
be able to get a good night’s sleep, is the worst thing you can do to your body. There’s been a lot of study now on how
people who suffer from dementia, such as my father, actually has very bad sleep
patterns. That’s the beginning. uh is really the it’s really the the the the
hormone balance right and then finally open you know being very open to change
open to what you mentioned earlier uh compassion loving kindness empathy and
uh equinimity so nuro is what I’ve talked about now because it’s the one
thing that we all have in common but the point to that is harmony so if you want
good health you have to find the harmony between your sympathetic and your
parasympathetic. You have to learn to do exercise, energize your body, activate
your glands so that you have stress hormone and most importantly the cortisoid which is a steroid it actually
reduce inflammation in your body. the difference between someone who um who
Health & Longevity (N.E.U.R.O Framework): Nutrition, Exercise, Unwinding, Restorative sleep, Openness; balancing sympathetic/parasympathetic systems.
lived a long life but in in as measured in health spend as opposed to someone
who happened to live a long life but is measured by lifespan. You know it’s is
is inflammation. You know by the time you reach 60 65 people already know that
you you might end up living to the 90s but you’re going to be you know very unhealthy. you’re going to be and
understand that the western medicine doesn’t actually heal or cure it only
reduce symptoms. Okay. So all that you know so it’s all about harmony. Now once
my plan as I execute it is that once you understand that harmony is the key to
your physical health and harmony is the key to your spiritual and your mental health. Then you can take that further
and to understand that harmony is like is what allows you to have neighbors
and then the society. you know, it’s all about harmony. It’s not about fear and
conspiracy. It doesn’t work. It’s really the ability
to have a conversation, you know, to that that when you see someone who’s camping on the streets, that’s a human
being. It’s if you cannot help that person, at least go by and say hi.
Anything I can do to help? You know, I I have that outside the street all the time. fear is not going to help that
that problem you know and then ultimately is the harmony in how we live
in our habitat what we call the planet earth and that’s the one thing that’s
completely lost so you talk about America being an experiment it’s a
failed experiment it has been a failed experiment and the only way that we could succeed is to we
find a balance Well, those are beautiful words, Denny.
I want to go a little bit deeper here if we if we can just briefly and then I guess we’ll start wrapping up here. Um,
now we have this and I’m I’m totally into health and healing and everything.
And um, I think actually I’m going to answer my own question before. I think harmony is one of the the bridges here.
Um, but we’ve got, you know, California is not to overly stereotype, but there’s
a lot of health nuts in California, right? a lot of people that are into um
really uh good food, just everything basically to prolong life and be healthy
and um and live a long life. And of course, we all want that. I mean, it be
it would be insane not to want that, right? And then on the other hand, we have this Buddhist reflection uh that
everything we have that we hold dear, we will be parted from, you know, um and uh
we’re going to die someday. So how do we take that reflection that we should be
reflecting on every day too because that is the inev inevitable uh truth of the
matter and then but then not get fearful and overwhelmed by that to neglect um
health, happiness, uh harmony and balance, you know. So we’ve got these uh
it’s not necessarily well in a way maybe it is a paradox and I think there’s a lot of spiritual paradoxes and it’s okay
we can be comfortable with paradoxes too you know we can integrate these we can hold these at the same time and they
don’t have to be conflicting things they can um harmonize in in themselves so I
um for me this is an ongoing thing um uh to to to be able to hold these uh these
truths and these ways ways of of viewing the world and the way of moving in the world of yes, we are going to die. We’re
going to be separated from everything we hold dear. And um at the same time we we care about this body to maintain this
body and to um prolong it in order to to practice to see and know deeper truths
to get um higher and higher levels of letting go or not higher and higher levels but deeper and deeper ways to
release and let go and freedom of the heart and it which brings in itself greater and greater well-being and
happiness too. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I I think that um I agree with you. There there’s so many
approach to you know wanting to say but we all want to we all want the same thing. There’s just so many voices.
There’s no lack of voices in America. What there is is there the lack of
people who want to listen to the voices. So I am not the one to say you know this is this is the right way, this is the
wrong way. However, I I will say this. I I will say that um what I try to do in
in in both um sharing my teaching, you know, my sharing what I was taught, my
Harmony in Society & Planet: From personal health to communal empathy; America as a “failed experiment” needing balance.
my own learning uh which is really the uh the Buddhist teaching as well as um
learning from my parents and how they age and now how I have to help them. you know, I become an expert on dementia and
diabetes and, you know, and and you know, cardiac digestion, you
know, everything that my my parents have, I become an expert and, you know, so so all that put together, I would
just use one word, which is unleash the glory in you.
Unleash the core in you. So as much as people are trying to sell you vitamins and supplements and tools that activate
the vagus nerve and you know and and joining this club and joining this club,
the gory is within you. Our body is capable of selfhealing.
You don’t need to go and buy a bunch of supplements. You just have to do the right thing and let the body heal
itself. As I said, you know, uh we we’re now, you know, like hour and and six minutes.
We we haven’t stopped talking and but yet our mouth is not dry
because we have this harmony between our fight or flight and our rest and digest.
And if we were both very uh you know excited people, then all
this hour, hour and six minutes, we would be in fight or flight. our body
would be, you know, full of uh stress hormone and the first thing that the
stress hormone does is to turn off our saliv
uh we we haven’t aged basically in three years. If you just compare what we look
like, you know, to two years ago, consider all the stress that we endures because cortisol has a way of, you know,
um uh uh eliminating the the you know, so you get wrinkles and you dried up
skin because of that. So I want to say that uh let’s just unleash our internal
glory. Unleash our internal glory. Internet glory is in fact the the the four dhmer
vajara the four immeasurables that’s all inside of us
you know the compassion the living kindness the empathy and the equinimity
we’re not asking people to practice on that we’re ask you know well let me let me you know so it’s a there’s a
clockwise practice and there’s a clock to count so if you go from wisdom which
to me is understanding your emotion and learn how to deal with it, accept it and then letting it go. Then eventually it’s
like pushing away the cloud and you see the gory within you which is which is
the compassion and the loving kindness and empathy. That’s if if you want you can think of it as a as a outside in
practice as much as that there’s a inside out practice the counterwatch
which is regardless of of the black cloud that is covering us some outside
we want to anchor into our internal glory
as compassion act as loving kindness act as empathy bring that up right
this is really important Denny because Usually um the way I’m taught it is an inside out uh practice with the Brahma
Bahares. But I love this. I’m going to use this glory thing. But in another way
uh with these teachings of the mirror, can we see in another can we see their
loving kindness? Can we see their compassion? And of course we do this naturally, but can we take that on
board? Um you know that we’re we’re not separate and that and that’s um that’s
there too. So we can see kind of our own glory reflected back to us in others
when it’s there. And like Denny says, when these hindrances are removed like clouds, this is our natural state. It
will shine through and come in. Yeah. I’ll give you I give you my first personal experience. I I uh before the
pandemic, I used to u volunteer in the state prison uh on Sunday and then since
the pandemic, I I I haven’t been able to do that. But I still uh once a year I would go with uh one of the venerables
to a huh state prison nearby. And uh so I still keep track of that. And this is
this is the amazing experience to be in a state prison to share dharma with
those who are incarcerated. Uh, I mean we can go for an hour to talk about
that, but just to kind of wrap it up with with your point is that um
if you uh greet people with fear, they will reflect that fear
back onto you. And prison the common language, fear is the common
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language. And from fear there’s violence. And that’s the reason why there’s so much violence inside the
prison is because it’s all fear and and and and and violence becomes their
common language. Okay. But then when you bring them outside and now you meet them
in a um we we do that in a smart church. You know, there’s that one kind of multi- demon dominational church that
everybody comes to and they walk in and they see that you don’t greet them with
fear because you have the practice to put aside emotion. Your internal what I
call glory, the sweetness in you comes out. And you
know what is exactly what uh what uh what Josh said is that that then they greet you with that
you know and so if you you know like all of us we see a
neighbor and you know we might have a disagreement with them next time you
know try to meditate before you open the door and then think about doing a meta
meditation and sharing your um uh merit
with the neighbor that you hate so much and then when you walk out the door you see them it’s as if you already
communicate with them they all sudden they see the the the positive energy in you and they give you back the positive
energy same thing with your siblings same thing with your offspring same thing with your uh spouse you know when
when you think that this is this is why we practice matter when you when you actually have someone
that that you’re having a a negative relationship with
you just meditate on that. just like okay you know uh I I I’ll practice on
being grateful and then from that I practice on you know acceptance and
tolerance first on myself you know I’m able to accept all my own shortcoming
I’m able to accept all and then you move from that I I will forgive myself for
the pain that I uh give to others either knowingly or unknownly and then you
flipped it around he says well maybe I can actually forgive the person who gave me pain. And then
when we’re ready when we’re ready. When when Yeah. Exactly. And this is
this is the inside out practice that we talk about that bring out the goodness in you and then they will see they will
see that you know it’s it’s we live in electromagnetic world. Okay. No, it’s it’s it might be a little bit
easier to see in prison, right? Because it’s kind of a container, but this does this is an energetic reality. This is
not some kind of um theoretical thing. I mean at least in my experience I know this. And who’s the first recipient of
me practicing meta towards someone? Myself, you know, because it comes out and I’m
the first then the closest of your family. Exactly. Your extended family, your neighbors.
But any Yeah. Even if I’m not practicing towards myself, if I’m practicing medicine for someone else, it has to be
here authentically before it goes out. And I’m benefiting from that, you know.
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I always get s good service at restaurants.
I always get good service, you know, even though the the guy could be really mean to someone else, but they would
never be mean to me because I practice meta. Yeah, it it’s it’s it’s amazing. And the
other thing I want to throw in here, maybe this might be a little too superstitious for some people, but dedicating merit to ancestors, too. You
know, our our past ancestors. I know it’s not uh superstitious in in some Asian cultures. It’s quite normal. But
supposedly these the the ancestors um do benefit from that. We benefit from uh
dedicating merit and sharing merit with past ancestors too. So there, you know,
not everybody is tuned into this realm and how this thing works, but I don’t see how it can harm anything. And um so
yeah, that’s so include all beings everywhere, you know, not just even in the unseen, too. if if we can. So, yeah.
Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. We promise. Okay. So, we’re coming up to 1 hour and 15 minutes. Let’s do this. Okay.
I think this is a good place to end. And um thank you, Denny, for joining me and and and and indulging me on this. And
may all beings out there, including those listening to this, may your practice be of great benefit and merit
for yourselves and all beings everywhere. Um may you all realize Thank you for once again being the
initiator. Oh. Hey, as I said, I don’t I lost track of how many things you initiated that turned
out to be the right thing. Okay. Well, I I appreciate that, Denny. That means a lot. Okay. All right. All right. You take
care. Okay. Let me know where you end up. Okay. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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