On June 9, 2024 Integrated Ascension Method creator Nate Zeleznick and I talked energy, frequency, vibration, consciousness, martial arts, the ancient royal Indonesian method Marpati Puti, discernment in spiritual communities or lack thereof, root causes of war, greed, lack of interconnectivity and unity, creating change, power, eternalism, masculinity, reality, phasing of subatomic particles, surrendering and releasing attachments to outcomes, victimhood, self-worth, service, dark and light, need for consciousness progression and responsibility, and much more
Biography
Nate Zeleznick is a true pioneer, distinguished as one of only two American master trainers of an ancient royal Indonesian energy and martial arts system. He masterfully integrates this unique next-level practice with modern scientific methodologies and technologies through his creation of the Integrated Ascension Method (I AM) and the White Dove Method.
His groundbreaking work, rooted in over 20 years of teaching globally, is renowned for enabling unparalleled personal development and superhuman breakthroughs, promoting physical, mental, and spiritual growth via revolutionary breathwork, meditation, energy management, and holistic therapies. His businesses have been featured in documentaries on Netflix, GAIA, and Amazon Prime, and the results of his method have been validated by experts in the fields of Medicine, Naturopathy, Optometry, Physics, Quantum Physics, Neuroscience, and Consciousness Research.
With the Integrated Ascension Method, Nate offers a beacon of hope and a roadmap to a future where every individual–from CEOs and business leaders, to influencers, athletes, spiritual seekers, and everyday people–can thrive, harness their higher mental and energetic abilities, and contribute positively to the global community. Join us on this transformative journey and discover the superhuman within you, guided by one of the most visionary leaders in the realm of human potential and wellness today.
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About Nate Zeleznick: The Path So Far…
Nate Zeleznick was born in a small town in Utah in the mid-1970s. He was a very sensitive and introverted child who struggled to connect with his peers. On top of that, his mother was often physically and emotionally abusive towards him and his younger brothers. From a young age, Nate was subjected to severe bullying at school, which lasted for over a decade. The bullying was so severe that it shattered his sense of self-esteem and left him with some deep emotional scars.
In an attempt to avoid being hurt by the bullies, Nate tried to become a perfect, hyperintelligent person, reading and learning as much as possible. He was obsessed with Star Wars and Ninja movies and wanted more than anything to be a “Ninjedi” from the age of seven. Living in such a small town, there were no martial arts resources, so he practiced what he saw in the movies and loved training with (and often “on”) his brothers. When he was nine, he did a martial arts demonstration in his school talent show, but the other kids ridiculed and bullied him so severely that he gave up on ever becoming a martial artist. This and other experiences led to dark, suicidal thoughts.
Around the age of 12, something amazing began happening. Nate began having spontaneous out-of-body experiences. When he would go to bed at night, oftentimes he would wake up to find his body completely paralyzed but with his mind wide awake. Then, he would get the sensation of floating and actually rise up out of his body, up out of the ceiling, and beyond to explore in ways that just aren’t possible when attached to the physical body. These experiences sparked an obsession with meditation, psychic phenomena, the occult, and superhuman abilities.
Nate was painfully socially awkward with girls and not confident around the other boys, and with abuse happening at home and at school, going Out-of-Body was the only place Nate ever really felt safe. He suffered from severe bouts of loneliness and depression throughout most of elementary, junior high, and high school, beyond what most teens do, and wrestled with the desire to stay on the planet or not, knowing full well what lay on the “other side”
Nate found refuge from self-doubt by diving into bodybuilding and basically living at the gym throughout high school and college. Despite his social awkwardness, Nate was extraordinarily talented in music. He began playing the clarinet in 7th grade and by 9th grade was matriculated at Weber State University. He attended symphonic band, ensemble practices, and private lessons multiple times per week throughout all of high school. His exceptional talent in music earned him a full scholarship to Weber State University as a classical clarinetist.
After college, Nate jumped from job to job trying to find a path with heart that would allow him to express himself to the highest degree, earn a decent living, and become a part of a community. He worked in restaurants, was a fashion model and modeling agency director, mortgage loan originator, and credit card service representative. But none of these jobs provided him with the sense of purpose he was looking for.
In December 1998, Nate discovered Merpati Putih from watching a VHS tape showing blindfolded and blind people in Indonesia who were able to “see” without eyesight using a form of extrasensory perception. The next day, Nate had a life-changing synchronicity where a blind woman almost died crossing the street in front of his car because her guide dog led her face-first into a traffic pole. Nate had a true epiphany that he could not ignore. He realized that his life path was to help blind people learn the Merpati Putih art.
Two weeks later, Nate contacted Merpati Putih and sponsored the first-ever demonstration of Merpati Putih in the United States. After the Merpati Putih demonstrations in Utah and Washington D.C., he was allowed to become the first non-Indonesian ever allowed to learn the Merpati Putih meditation, energy work, breathwork, energy healing, martial art, and extrasensory perception system with the blessing of the 11th-generation royal heirs of Merpati Putih from Java, Indonesia.
Several weeks after he began training under Dr. Hendarto, MD in Salt Lake City, Nate’s brother Mike joined him in the training and they made Merpati Putih their way of life. They underwent a brutal and accelerated training regimen, having had years of previous martial arts training experience. They then brought the 11th generation royal heirs to Utah in August of 2000 and the heirs personally tested the Zeleznick brothers, initiated them, awarded their new ranks, and inaugurated the first-ever foreign branch of Merpati Putih called MP USA, Inc.
They were incredibly passionate about sharing the knowledge they had gained through their experiences with Merpati Putih, and they spent many years refining the teaching techniques to make them more understandable and accessible to the Western mind. Together they owned and operated one of the largest and most successful martial arts, meditation, and wellness academies in Utah’s history. They taught adults the authentic traditional Merpati Putih martial arts and energy system, as well as kids martial arts and character development, seniors breathwork, meditation, and fitness, and women’s self-protection seminars.
They traveled to Indonesia several times for long training and testing sabbaticals in 2005, 2007, and 2013. As they tested they advanced in rank and knowledge, further cementing their position as the leaders for the Merpati Putih knowledge for North and South America. In 2007 during the 3-day nonstop National Merpati Putih Test, Nate was blindfolded and put next to a huge diesel generator for the movement test which lasted well into the early morning. Having black exhaust spewing at him for hours on end proved to be too much and at the end of the movement test portion Nate collapsed and had a Near Death Experience. Having been familiar with the Out-of-Body state before, he observed as his body was dragged off the testing field and was leaned against a tree as the medical crew cam running. His main Indonesian instructor and his brother were attempting to revive him when he was given a choice: should I stay or should I go now?
Having not accomplished his mission of helping at least one million people learn the White Dove techniques, and knowing he still had much to do and experience in life, he made the choice to reenter his body.
When he came back to waking consciousness, he was given some water and told to go put on his sparring gear for the fighting portion. No rest for the wicked…
After returning home, they continued teaching numerous program, working a minimum of 50 hours per week, visiting Indonesia again in 2013 with a team of their senior students to attend the 50th Anniversary of Merpati Putih’s release to the Indonesian public. They were the first group to perform in front of audience of over 4,000 Merpati Putih members, including the living Royal Heirs, the entire Council of Masters, most of the Senior trainers, Special Forces members, and Merpati Putih students and fans from all over Indonesia. Together they brought the house down, an the next day they all flew to Central Java where Nate’s brother Mike and two of their Senior student tested for a new rank.
Once again, after returning home they continued developing their business, including a Vibravision pilot project in 2014 where some of their senior-most students and some of their youth members were invited to learn the extrasensory perception skills that MP USA was originally formed to promote in the U.S. After several years of dedicated training, several of the members developed Vibravision to such an extent that Nate and Mike were able to arrange demonstrations and training experiences for Optometrists, MD’s, Quantum Physicists, Military personnel, Neuroscientists, and other professionals who were all blown away by what Merpati Putih is able to unlock in people and train them to be able to do that defies science and logic, and yet is real and in some, reproducible. The Merpati Putih (White Dove) breathwork and meditations are light years ahead of other methods, and is a perfect force multiplier for any other meditation, energy, athletic, consciousness, or inner peace modality.
Nate and his team continued to train people in many different programs until March 2020 when the world shut down because of you know why. In fact, a full 50% of ALL martial arts school in the U.S. were forced to close permanently within 6 months of the pandemic’s arrival, and trying as hard they could, they were not able to continue operating their MP USA martial arts academy.
Although the pandemic forced them to close the doors on one of their businesses, they continued to teach people the Vibravision skill in a seminar format for primarily affluent business leaders. However, in November 2022, they decided to split forces in business in order to serve a greater amount of people using their own strengths and teaching abilities. Nate realized that many people were interested in learning about the system, but didn’t necessarily want to commit to years of training in a martial arts academy, or pay fees that were outside the grasp of all but the most devoted or affluent. So, he decided to create a more accessible version of the practice that anyone could do from the comfort of their own home, and if they wanted to come learn from him in person, that option exists as well.
In 2022, he launched the Inner Wisdom System (dba White Dove Method), which is both a comprehensive online and in-person program that teaches people how to use the techniques of Merpati Putih to tap into their inner power and higher consciousness. The programs include instructional videos, guided meditations, and interactive exercises that help people to develop their own unique practice and up-level anything they are already doing, or give them an incomparable base to start with is they are a first-timer.
Then, in 2023 he rebranded White Dove Method to be the Integrated Ascension Method (I AM) and added vibroacoustic therapy, brainwave entrainment, neurofeedback brain training, tachyon energy devices, Emotion Code and Body Code therapies, nutritional fitness, and other modalities to create a truly one-of-a-kind wellness and ascension system. One of the key components of the Integrated Ascension Method (I AM) is Nate’s own unique approach to teaching the Merpati Putih system to provide fast results. The Integrated Ascension Method (I AM) is designed to help people unlock their full potential by using a combination of both ancient wisdom and modern technology in ways no one else has done.
Nate is incredibly excited about the potential of the Integrated Ascension and the White Dove Method to help people transform their lives. He has already received many testimonials from people who have experienced profound changes after practicing the techniques he teaches, including improved health, increased creativity, greater clarity of mind, limitless energy, catapulting consciousness to new levels, and skyrocketing libido, just to name a few.
Looking back on his journey, Nate is grateful for all of the challenges he’s faced, because they helped him to develop the resilience and perseverance he needed to pursue his dreams. He feels honored to have been chosen to carry on the legacy of Merpati Putih in the West, and is committed to sharing its teachings with as many people as possible.
Nate’s ultimate goal is to help create a world where people are empowered to live their best lives, free from the limitations of fear, doubt, and insecurity. By tapping into our inner wisdom and higher consciousness, we can all become the best version of ourselves and create a brighter future for ourselves and for future generations.
Perhaps somewhat related: The Subtle Art of a Cat
The story of “The Cat’s Eerie Skill” (Neko no Myōjutsu) is found in a
traditional book of swordsmanship secrets called Inaka Soshi 田舎荘子,
written by Issai Chozan in the 18th century. Chozan was a samurai
in Sekiyado Domain and was well acquainted with Shintoism, Confucianism and Buddhism, with particular knowledge of Taoism and Zen
Buddhism. This story was valued by Tesshu Yamaoka and hardly shared
with anyone even within the same school.
Audio: Proper Power With Nate Zeleznick
The raw unedited YouTube transcription of this podcast:
holness welcome this is Josh integrating presence and today I’m joined by Nate
zis niik znik Nate how’s it going very good Josh
I’m excited to be here on this nice Sunday afternoon thank you so much for having me you’re welcome and hey who is
Nate and what does he do well I am originally from northern Utah well
actually originally from outer space anybody who knows me will tell you that but uh I was born here in Northern Utah
and I call this home I travel all over the world but I always come back here to the wasat front region because it’s such
a beautiful place love the people love the environment and my familyes here so
yes I was uh born and raised here for the past 48 years and I have been on a mission for the
past 25 years carrying and stewarding a very special lineage of meditation
breath work energy development energy healing and also extra sensory development that comes out of a very
sacred Royal martial art out of the far east in Central Java Indonesia and I’m
one of only two American or yeah two American master and trainers that are
allowed to teach this in this country or actually North or South America and so that’s a brief overview of who I am what
I do my mission is to help at least a 100 million people I don’t want to raise
anybody’s Consciousness that’s not my job but I would love to help them do that for themselves and to that effect I
am so blessed that I am able to Steward this method and it is a method that works for anyone with a body so it’s not
belief based it’s not religious it’s not something where you have to have grown up in a certain culture or embibe or
taken any special things it’s based upon our breath it’s based upon our men our mental abilities it’s based upon our
exercise and it’s based upon Our intention to create change in our body our mind our spirit and so it’s worked
very very well for hundreds of thousands of people and so I’m here and I’m blessed to be able to share this with
your audience well great Nick let’s start digging into this Nick I called you Nick
wow I have such maybe I need some uh some some training with people’s names uh let’s
get I mean this this I’ll just start off here I was reading the story around this and
I this audience is familiar with the woo some some of the stuff and I’m I mean I
don’t want to um I tell people this stuff is the woo stuff um it’s not the
main thing because it can be distracted from what um what the what we should be
doing here I think for the most part however it is really inspiring and in this day and age there’s plenty of
charlatans out there and uh a lot of people interested in this and you know
where how do we view this and how do what what what is your take on it kind of from the more grounded you
can go as far out as you want uh from going to the more practical to how we
should be or um how much should we be aspiring to uh use this to help uh
overcome our limitations to what what most people perceive is possible and
then how should we be um inspired by this or you know get inspiration for
this and I I I know I throw a lot of stuff out here but I want to know about your lineage a little bit too you know
um if if you want to just go into however you feel is helpful with that and you know is there degrees of
initiation you know um like secrets and and and this type of thing um I I think
that’s enough to get started I’ll just leave it to your guidance to to to just just uh start talking about this in
however way you feel is helpful okay wow well those are a lot of subjects Josh so
uh why don’t I go for first of all lineage so first of all my personal
family lineage most so my grandmother on my father’s side her last name was luri
which in the Jewish tradition anybody who hears the name Laura will understand
right away if they know anything about the cabala that the creator of the cabala was Isaac Ben laua Ashkenazi and
he is one of the most famous rabbis of all time and he is the one who helped develop the modern cabala so I am a
direct descendant of the creator of the cabala so it is in my genes to be into the woo into the mystical into the uh I
would say the hypernormal not the Paranormal because it’s the normal but it’s beyond the scope of what most
people actually perceive or act will really want to step into so right there
it’s in my blood to want to a help people B be a teacher and C be into the
mystical Arts so genetically and ener ener gentically I’m already predisposed
to that the lineage of the art that I teach so first of all it is called and
everybody get ready for this marati PTI marati PTI now that means white dove in
the Indonesian language and this comes out of Central Java and this was a
guarded secret within the royal family of Central Java for about 450 years from
the King to their Heir and it is an amazing comprehensive
holistic Wellness practice but it was developed actually for war it was developed to increase the chi in our
body to have fighting skills that were incomparable to the other people and
when I say fighting skills it’s Indonesia it’s this is they have more
ways of kicking each other’s ass than any place I’ve ever seen they have over 700 different recognized styles
of martial art in the Indonesian archipelago so this was you know it’s
it’s very important that the king had to have the best martial art because they didn’t do like the European Kings they
didn’t lead from the back they were kind of like uh Aragorn in Lord of the Rings
they’re charging or William Wallace in Braveheart they’re charging at the front so they had to be the best fighters or
else you kill the king you take the Kingdom right so they developed this over centuries well obviously not the
first generation but this very specific precise method for creating more
electricity in the body creating perfect health being able to increase stamina
increase our immune function to be able to then perceive beyond the physical limits which there are no physical
limits but beyond what we think of is limits and so all of this was done until 1963 when they released it to the
Indonesian public now for people familiar with history in the 1960s there
was something happening in Indonesia called the Indonesian genocide where over
500,000 Indonesian people were killed by their government in a six-month period
there’s actually a movie called The Year of Living Dangerously with Mel Gibson that is about this and the 10th
Generation royal family Heir and two of his sons the 11th generation heirs which I personally learned and trained with
they decided to release this to Indonesian people to help them first of all be able to defend
themselves better second thing is to be able to help Foster and bring in this
understanding this deep understanding and knowing that we’re all one that we’re all energetically linked there’s
no greater there’s no lesser and when I hurt you I hurt myself so this Wess this
connection this national pride was a very important thing for them but they
had never allowed a non-indonesian person to learn that until me so how
that came around and I’ll keep this brief because people can go on to my website and read the bio I’ve got it all
over the place but I had a Synchro Destiny happen to me where I grew up in
Utah but I’m not of the predominant religion here and I grew up in a very small town a farm town Cowboy Town not
Town little teeny weeny uh Speck we’ll call it back and I was significantly
bullied every single day physically mentally emotionally and I didn’t really
have any place safe to go so at 11 I became suicidal every single day I wanted to
die at 12 around 12 I started having spontaneous outof body experiences where I would astral project
out of my body and it was like my higher self was telling me Nate it’s you get it’s okay none of this is real it’s not
permanent you’re more than your physical body we’re going to show you or I’m going to show you hang on it gets better
and I did now growing up I always wanted to be a ninja and a Jedi but I only had
a couple people to practice martial arts on and those were my brothers they didn’t appreciate that feel bad about
that to this day but when I finally got a chance to get a driver’s license and start
studying out a body experiences and you know the very first thing I ever bought with my own money was a book called
Journeys out of the body by Robert Monroe for people out there familiar with the Monroe Institute they’ve
trained numerous uh CIA spies how to do remote viewing and atab body projections to spy on the Soviets during the Cold
War so I I’ve always gravitated toward the things that have some evidence that
have some backing behind it things that I can then do and know and feel and understand rather than um being
belief-based because belief is a poor substitute for knowledge
well when I was starting my martial arts training around the age of 16 17 well it
was a strip mall martial art I took numerous martial arts in college none of them had the internal component they
didn’t have meditation they didn’t have energy work they didn’t teach you anything about Chi it was kicking punching fighting you know it typically
what you think of traditional martial arts Taekwondo karate Kempo Karate
Ninjutsu Kendo so when when I saw an advertisement in Black Belt Magazine
when I was 23 that guaranteed me inner power in two weeks I was like okay and it was a totally [ __ ]
method I mean I’ll just straight right up what can you get for 40 bucks is can actually do that and do it in two weeks
nothing I’m just GNA tell that for everybody out there nothing but I was intrigued and it came with a VHS tape so
the method that it sent with this little teeny chiny manual was completely useless but what was in the VHS tape
showed people from Indonesia doing martial arts and I have to say Josh I was blown away I have never seen
anything like that in my life and it showed people who were breaking not boards and Bricks they were
breaking stacks of stone and steel and 20 feet of bricks I mean it was
nuts and that was cool and all but when I saw people doing something truly
superhuman which was seeing without their eyes they were blindfolded were
blind and they were driving cars through traffic they were fighting full contact bare knuckles with hoods over their
heads cinched that had military people who could shoot targets out of people’s hands and ride motorcycles in between
military uh like a bunch of military people and they’re just riding their motorcycles in between them and then it
showed blind people who could see and they could I mean Their Eyes Were white as a sheet and they could read printed
material I first of all was really skeptical I was like bull that can’t be real I I mean that would be awesome if
Jedi were real but I’ve been having these out- of- body experiences I know those are real those have been studied
government has paid for people to do them so maybe it’s something maybe there’s something to this I wish I could
learn and then the next day my whole life changed I watched a blind woman almost
get killed in front of me trying to cross the street and I knew while I was sitting at
that intersection in my car when she her dog let her face first into
the light pole and I can only tell you it was what
I can explain as a spiritual imperative I had to find those people on that video
to help her I’d never met a blind person before I don’t know why that happened my
higher self was calling me though and So for anybody out there who has ever felt
a sense of knowing that you had to follow this path I hope you did I hope
you did this was so loud I couldn’t not and so I went on a search for those
Indonesian people and I found them when I found them I contacted them and asked them is this really real and they’re
like yes we’ve trained over 3,000 blind people so far over here and this has
been used by the Indonesian military for decades including our most most um secretive Special Forces
soldiers they’re kop pasu soldiers some of them there’s a special division kind of like Navy SEAL Team
Six well they use this in order to do this but I then I found out the breath
work method which is unlike anything else in the world there’s can’t compare
it it’s like apples to an iPhone like there’s an Apple iPhone right but I’m talking an
apple piece of fruit and then there’s an iPhone and the difference in the complexity is wow it is like that if
comparing this to any other breath work so they use it that breath work alone in
every branch of the Indonesian military because of how quickly it improves
people’s stamina their endurance their Vitality their recovery ability their
immune function it will increase their ability to calm down during stressful
situations which obviously in the military that’s very very bad skill then also the meditative abilities to help
prevent PTSD there are so many benefits to this that the Indonesian government
has used this in swat teams in
uh every branch of the military many private security forces the presidential Secret Service uses this I mean this is
this is the real deal but the thing is though Josh no but they had never trained anybody outside Indonesia so I’m
like okay that’s nice and all but I just want to help blind people so
I sponsored the very first demonstration of this outside Indonesia in 1999 so the
fall of 199 1999 I brought a team over here and I got to see for myself Li pun
intended I got to see blind people who could see and they could do anything you and I can do with our eyesight and
more well when this team after I hosted different demonstrations around the
country they were going to leave you know this is back in the day where you could actually escort people to the
jetway and you know I had met an Indonesian guy that when they first got off the plane he said hey my name’s Haru
I’m good friends with one of the uh 11th generation airs and I’m gonna hang out with you guys for the next couple weeks
I’m like great good to meet you well it turns out this guy used to be a former Special Forces trainer for
marati ptin this guy just happened to live in Salt Lake City and when the
chairman of marati pouti looked at me before they left and he said Nate har was going to be your
trainer and I went wait a minute what you want to talk about a heart
racing heart dropping I think my heart fell out my butthole honestly because I mean this is you want to be a Jedi until
you actually get the chance to be around a Jedi master and then you’re like am I worthy can I really do this is this what
I want to do I’ve wanted to do this my entire life and then you get that opportunity
I had every excuse in the book not to do it and the thing is is that my soul
would not allow me to say no and so I said yes sir and I started training with
that gentleman um who’s an earn no throat surgeon in Indonesia a speech langage pathologist here
and he didn’t like me very much he didn’t want me to be able to train because I’m American he wanted to keep
it in Indonesian only but the 11th generation who asked him was one of his best friends he’s like please he’s the
one he’s the one who needs to learn this and I want you to train him there’s nobody better that could train him than you har and like okay but if he quits
it’s not my fault so I started training and then a few weeks later one of my younger brothers joined me and together the two
of us we went through the ranks in half the time up to a certain point we
trained basically with the Indonesian special forces training uh when Y2K happened
and everybody was so worried about all the computer resetting and the world’s going to collapse my brother and I were
running five miles barefoot in December 31st here in Utah on asphalt as part of
our test to become marati PTI members and on December 31st well actually I’ll
just call it because the initiation then went later New Year’s Day at the start
of this Millennia we became the first ever official lifetime marati P member
outside Indonesia so huge honor huge I mean there’s no way to really describe
it you know it’s kind of like Columbus setting foot in in Cuba he didn’t
actually come to America just a fun fact for information but discovering something brand new or being the first
to ever do this and pioneering this and so for the next 20 years we made numerous trips to Indonesia for testing
and training and teaching people over there as well and on one of the largest
martial arts and meditation acms in the country and then Co and we all know what
happened during that um over 7,000 martial arts schools closed in the country within the first three months
and they closed permanently well we made it about nine months into the pandemic and um we just weren’t able to continue
on and so we had to Pivot very quickly to teaching things in a seminar format where people would fly in from all over
the country who were willing to travel people who the brave people who would get on a plane like other people uh to
get here to Utah and then we would train them in the seeing Without Eyes
discipline and what we found was that you know over this 20 years we had proven to medicine and science that we
can see without some excuse me not everyone some people who are gifted and
are willing to put in hours a day for years and are gifted some people are
able to see with their mind and not with their eyes it’s not for everybody but everybody does have intrinsic abilities
and that’s one thing that I love about marati pouti in this work is that it’s a method that helps unlock whatever your
higher abilities are so it’s like the X-Men I don’t know if you’re going to be heal quick or if you’re going to be able
to fly or start fires with your hands who knows until you actually do it and
that’s one thing that I’ll just put this out there for all the the viewers right and the listeners right
now really I mean it’s it’s got to be real talk because we live in a world of illus illusion where we are always
distracted by the next shiny thing we have the 7-second attention span we are living longer but we’re not living
healthier and we are being poisoned constantly in our food our water our air in our own mind by our politics by
everything that we see on social media coming in here our own opinions and we know that we can make ourselves sick
from stress the CDC says it on their website that over 90% of diseases are all caused by stress so with that in
mind if we can make ourselves sick we can also make ourselves healthy but it’s an
important thing I’m going to ask a really important question this might be controversial and I don’t care because people need to do this I mean what’s the
worst that’s going to happen you get stronger healthier and live longer oh bummer how healthy are you like no
[ __ ] how healthy are you if you could increase your stamina if you could
increase your lung capacity if you can increase your immune function by 5% if
you could live two weeks longer than your time your
clock is ticking down now how much would that be worth it to you would it be worth 10 minutes a day
to focus on yourself and do some specific breath work that will Electrify your system most people say yes and then
they go back to sleep and they just go unconscious again and they go back to eating the fast food
they go back to uh being very self-centered judgmental they the thing
is is that so many people are there’s this big spiritual Revolution happening right now but so much of it is absolute
[ __ ] because it’s by people who are not of a Consciousness level that they can actually lead anybody else there
they read some books they maybe did some plant medicine and now they’re trying to be gurus and I think that’s a really
scary thing especially for the people that follow them so I’m actually going to be producing a new uh series of
videos that’ll be out for public uh on social media called wolf and Saints
clothing because there are unfortunately a lot of as you mentioned charlatans and
people who have not done the work or maybe they have done the work but their their countenance or their
personality is one of a sexual predator and I know several facilitators that have taken
advantage of people while they’re under plant medicine and I’m just like don’t ever come around me it’s a huge issue in
spiritual communities in general you always hear Scandal it’s usually sexually related you know it’s not uh
that’s the one that takes the most well this has all been I’m uh kind of Blown Away at all the stuff here and you
haven’t really even gone into some of the details of your story uh you did a lot but there’s still plenty more and I
just want to overemphasize here um how the the good part of this okay I don’t
think there’s any question that a lot of this can be used for betterment for service for training for for wellness
and I I I want to make that up uh upfront uh so when I try to push your feet a little closer to the fire here I
want uh any of that stuff uh I want to be uh overlit by that that this is for
good so if you allow me to ask a little bit more maybe uh challenging questions
here you know in some of these occult practices they they balance the you know
the dark with the light right some of the more darker actions will then have to be balanced out with more benevolent
actions from what I understand and so I’m not accusing anything but I I just this is kind of a background maybe of um
kind of a line of inquiry here uh but I I want to go into picking your mind a little bit about war in general you know
uh you know um for me I’m totally on board uh with the Second Amendment even
though I probably I’m in a place where I wouldn’t even really have to defend myself kind of I know I don’t know
karate but I know crazy right so but I I of course who am I to say someone that
they can’t defend themselves that’s ridiculous you know but I don’t feel we ever really have much of a right to initiate Force you know but of course if
if if someone initiates for and that’s what martial arts I I mean I don’t have any understanding whatsoever really of
martial arts and so I’m kind of probably um culturally ignorant too as the the
how how it’s just a little bit of how it’s more way more interwoven into some
Asian cultures in the west where it’s kind of a quite a foreign thing I’m not saying it’s inauthentic here by any
means but it’s not something a lot of people grow up with uh as a kind of a cultural background but this notion of
War though and the times that we’re in the hour we’re in you know especially uh
I wanted to see you know what do you think is the root of why people get into
Wars too I mean the obvious one is kind of like water rights I I think through history you know access to resources and
thing like this a notion of scarcity you know of course Revenge ill will is a
huge one greed you know and then just ignorance these are the main The Roots You know this delusional State not in a
psychological sense but just not um just not really being aware that we’re greedy or have ill will and then you know this
other thing about conceit you know there’s these different flavors of conceit the one we’re most familiar with
is I’m better I’m better better than this guy you know I I and then the other one oh I’m not a good enough you know I
I can’t live up you know I’ll never live up to this I’ll never get as good as this but then there’s this more subtle
conceit of comparison right um uh of like oh I’m I’m just as good as this guy
I you know I can I I you know um and so so with all this I think the most thing
here is you know I I follow some of the Buddhist path and and uh do some of
these practices I wouldn’t consider myself Buddhist but even with all his amazing psychic powers that it’s is said
in the suit is and I know some people would say this is crazy this with Scientists but let’s just go with it even on the story level he couldn’t even
stop War so one of the explanations I’ve heard from this is um some people’s actions in the past have just bore fruit
now and it’s got to play out some way because of past actions now I don’t know that’s just a theory for me because my
level of discerning discern discerning ction and reaction you know comma and
the fruit of comma is not on par with where I can be making definitive statements on this but I want to get
your take on this because uh I mean I I have no disrespect to um military men
and women uh so far as just the regular Joe A lot of times they get roped into
things either by force they they’re brainwashed there’s so much brainwashing manipulation in the United States you
know that they someone uh that they don’t know has sent them overseas to
fight for reasons they have no idea when a lot of times the bankers fund both sides and get rich so yeah I mean on a
deeper existential level what do you think is the root of war or is there anything that can really be done about
it besides like you know like yourself you’re saying an honorable um defending
um but what kind of wisdom do you have to share on all this well like Andi said be the change that you wish to see it
has to start with and every single one of us and that’s what my mission is to help honestly Josh you know I’ve heard
it said you know I’m here to wake up other Lions that’s great I’m here to wake up
dragons because they’re powerful they’re mystical they’re Eternal they’re wise I mean in the the lore right they take no
[ __ ] and it depends on which ones obviously you’re looking at but you know in in the orient the dragons are looked
at as mythical but wise beings of knowledge well the thing is is that
everybody has that lion or that Dragon inside of them but we’re not all here to
have that experience our soul we Comm in to have these experiences so I’m G you
know if I I’m GNA give you my 50,000 Lightyear view on this that a we’re all
the infinite unlimited Eternal being we are the same being having different experiences through different lenses
which is our body that was that’s it we are all things so there’s a beautiful
book um by James tman that talks about the Moses it’s
called the Moses code that when Moses asked God on Mount Si who are you and he
said I am that I am right we’ve all heard that but something they left out
because of the maybe the Aramaic translation is a comma I am that comma I am so every
every single thing that there is we are actually that because we are made of
this energy and you know in physics if you go down far enough into the subatomic particles what physicists have
found is that there is no matter even einin said
that Tesla talked about energy and frequency if you want to understand the
universe think about and I’m paraphrasing think in terms of energy frequency and vibration right so the
thing about this is when you go to subatomic particles what they’re finding is these subatomic particles are phasing
in and out of reality about one septian of a second so in actuality we are phasing out of this reality into another
reality uh a septian septian times a second which we can’t you know obviously
be aware of that that quickly with all of that said Josh I think that I really feel that the reason why we have war is
because I I don’t think there are any um I I would not point fingers and blame
any dark Forces or any extraterrestrial forces because if you come from that
position that all is one that means let’s say there were arcturians or
pleadians or Grays who does you know stick things up your butt they’re us too
and we are all those things where every atom in the entire universe experiencing itself through uh as a probe of
Consciousness so we’re instruments of consciousness sending information back now I I say this from a position of
knowing where in 2007 I died and I came back to life during one of my tests in
Indonesia the tests are that brutal um I was actually carbon monoxide poisoning
um and I stood up I was standing up at the end of my movement test and I
watched my body drop and I was still standing up and I’d had numerous astral projections been studying this field
since I was 16 years old and then I watched my body being dragged
off by my trainer and my brother and I decided to come back into my body but
while I was in that state I had this very powerful understanding that we
everything and do I want to come back and continue this do I want to do this a little bit longer and have these
experiences and you can see what I chose but I didn’t have to and we all have
that ability we all have that we can stay in this life or we cannot but here’s an interesting thing in uh in
Hinduism there’s a saying that if a fly is flying and you kill the fly the fly keeps
flying it doesn’t know it died it’s just Consciousness oh it just kept on going
well I can tell everybody this from my personal knowing but of course go find out for yourself hopefully not through
near death but through meditation out of body travel remote viewing there are things to help you do
that that wear a lot more than our physical body so with that’s in that in mind since we are infinite unlimited
Eternal being having experience if you can imagine it this way uh a mentor of mine named Brian
Ridgeway very famous author now he put it this way let’s say that you were this
infinite being and you’re just living in Bliss all the time for
eternity and then you say I want to mix things up I’m going to create this Earth
life system where I’m going to create this universe and I want to experience all these things and everything’s perfect and it’s idyllic and uh it’s
just uh 72 degrees sunny and orgasms all day it’s just beautiful for 90
years you do that a couple times you’re probably going to get a little bit bored and you’re going to want to mix it up so
as an infinite being that is here to have experience what better way to do that than to create Duality to create
opposing forces to create the other Ness so that we can come in here and make our
way back to understanding Oneness it’s not easy you cannot there’s no iasa that
you can take there’s no book you can read there’s no tape you can listen to the only way you can get back to Oneness
is through the path of surrender and that is that is not giving up that’s something that I had to learn
the hard way for a long time surrender doesn’t means throwing in the towel and giving up it means releasing your
attachment to outcome and result and expectation now Buddha said that many
people think that Buddha said the root of suffering is attachment no that’s not what he said that’s not the translation
the root of suffering is craving yeah t that’s an
unhealthy attachment craving so you know when it comes down to war my
personal opinion is that on the highest level and this this really sucks for the
people you know that are the beings that are having this experience of being blown up in Gaza right
now that we all are we have our goal line and we have our soul
line our soul line is so far beyond what we can conceptualize as a small human
individual having this experience that having that trust that faith in our
own soul in our s in God in our beingness with the all that we are that
we are having this experience for a reason but here’s an interesting thing for
me anytime I’m having a situation that I don’t prefer put it that way contrast I
do my best to remind myself to ask this very important question how is this for
me how is this for me if it’s somebody that I’m having contrast with this whole thing that we get there
I like to ask the question how is this me how do I do this exact same thing how
are there a reflection of the internal internal environment of myself because
it always is 100% of the time whether it is uh Hitler or it’s Gandhi Mother
Teresa or Stalin there’s always these parts inside of us this dark this light
and you know a good friend of mine and I think this is a really powerful piece of wisdom for a lot of people out there
because many people have heard the story of the Wolves inside the white wolf and the Dark Wolf if you haven’t uh very
brief story so uh tribal Elder in Native American tradition is sitting with his
grandson and he’s talking about the two wolves inside all of us we’ve got the light wolf we’ve got the Dark Wolf and
he says to his his grandson or his grandson asked him so Grandpa which one
wins and he says the one that you feed now another very wise mentor of mine
they pointed out that’s not true the one that wins is the one that you
starve and the one you ignore CU that’s the voracious one that comes and bites you in the ass and cannibalizes you
because you don’t step into that shadow or you don’t step into even the people who are in the shadow and they’re the
darkest Point pits of Despair not willing to step into their light and go wow I am amazing I have 37 or to 50
trillion cells in my body they’re all doing about Six Trillion functions a second how amazing am I this is
incredible instead of just wallowing in the Meer of their desperation and and
their despair so to have that and be able to recognize no matter which side of that pendulum you are to create that
complete cohesive whole um you’ve got the yin and yang they’re always together right and there’s a little bit of Yang
and the yin there’s a little bit of Yin and the Yang they don’t get together right but they can interact with one
another or they can be a cohesive coherent whole so if that makes sense
that on the levels of consciousness and anybody out there who’s a fan of Dr David Hawkins and his power versus
Forest levels of consciousness that the majority of the world still operates underneath the level of 200 which is in
the levels of force instead of above 200 which is the levels of power there are
six people um on the planet at level 600 or above which is the level of complete
peace and Enlightenment there’s only six but they help balance out the levels of consciousness for the other seven and a
half billion of us and so the thing is that we are in this age
of information and you know it’s it’s been said that in the age of information
ignorance is a choice so with this in mind we’re getting better Josh we are getting
better and you know as far as all of the political stuff I tend to stay out of
that just because I like to a I like to be happy be I really like honesty honesty integrity
and Harmony is very important in my life it’s too short we’re gonna blink and be
dead flat out blink and you’re dead same politics is an emotional con game if you
ask me you know um so to your points here the the reason I got um
I turned off for the extremes of nihilism and eternalism nihilism that that’s is just not helpful things don’t
work that way like you say just because you swat a fly that doesn’t mean it’s completely wiped out forever and ever
right that’s that’s kind of extreme that the world would be better if everything was obliterated I don’t think we’re anywhere close to the the nihilistic
point of view you know maybe in Warfare or something you might tend towards that or something but the eternalist view
though um what if what if I want to get out of that though
I can’t There’s No Escape you know to me that’s another prison because as
beautiful it is it is as much power as it affords if I want to get out of that
or I I can’t you know so that’s so these are I’m not saying um you know well this
I’ll just leave it that for now and uh but the the one I want to get to here that you really speak to is power okay
and the light in the dark what I found is the Shadow Self um that the reason it keeps wanting to
raise its ugly head a lot and so many of us is because it wants its power
respected you know the the dark is a very powerful force doesn’t mean we have
to act on it by into it but its power needs to be respected as a equal
expression of Consciousness when I learned that and put that into practice all these kind of dark not all of them
but a lot of these dark tendencies that kept coming up again and again I triy to push down and push down it was because
they wanted to be seen and respected and honored and I found that so very helpful of a teaching and putting that into to
my place so in then then I like the notion you started off here too about like true empowerment empowerment that’s
helpful especially for the masculine here that like you said you’re people are bullied and if you just want to give
us a little wisdom on victim victimizer too this is a huge program that I feel victimized so then I want to then I feel
and entitled to go in and victimize someone else right because they did this to me so and it’s a we see it playing
out over and over and over in our society too but mostly in our our own personal lives we all know who’s been
victimized and who the victimizer is a vicious cycle that’s up it’s self- responsibility to change this because as
we know ill will can never overcome ill will only non-ill will can overcome ill
will this is an ancient and eternal law so yes if you want to speak a little bit to the victim victimized
or we just say bully victim like archetype and mentality programs that are running so rampant in our society
today you know and this is a wonderful thing because uh the thing is as I mentioned I was bullied heavily and and
I also mentioned that I practice martial arts on my brother as a bully so I would get bullied at school and take it out on
them and these are learned behaviors because if you look at say Native American society Societies or the
Aboriginal societies many of the South American tribes uh as well as many
others of course there is none everybody is part of the whole they’re part of the community everybody’s family you all you
will be born and die around these same people and there’s none of the there’s
none of the um maybe there’s some games like oh I shot a monkey or a kangaroo
better than you did okay but not this war U not nearly as much now of course
there were Waring tribes in the Aboriginal cultures many in the Native American cultures many in South America
all over the place right because there still is that where we have that limit brain we have the wanting to survive and
if you look at animals you just look at animals especially herd animals so I’ll
use an elk here North America Elk right you got the herd Bull and he’s got the
Herm of his cows and he gets to impregnate all the cows he also helps to protect them from predators if you know
he got these big antlers to be able to do this but then also other Bulls come over and they fight and uh you know this
is because everybody wants those mating rights and we still have people that are so unconscious to their own physiology
that they allow this to do this now on a war that they take over you just see the the peacocking of influencers all over
the place I mean men have been doing this especially men women have their own kind of battles amongst themselves right
but for men wanting to have the biggest you know um and be able to have the most money fastest car biggest house attract
the women because the women want the stability they want the safety they want the person who’s going to provide for them they want the strongest right this
is hard wired into our DNA so we understand this when it comes
down to war you’re just looking at it along on a larger scale you have the people who have that want even more they
don’t just want they want a bigger herd that’s why they want to take over countries they want the resources they
want to you know they want to be the man or the woman they want to be able to H
accumulate more and 99 out of 100 times I’m sure this is because of a lack of
something inside themselves that says they are not enough so therefore they must amass more and it’s never enough
and that’s really a sad thing you know if you think about it this way but this amazing dance that we’re all doing with
each other thinking that there is anything else besides ourselves being everything else but as we do this I I
just keep looking at it how is this for me how is this for me how how did I create this what am I here to learn from
this lesson okay great and sometimes that’s an important thing that I hope everybody can take away from this
podcast if nothing else ask that question and then shut up don’t answer it ask and listen meditation well prayer
is asking God or the all or your higher self for something meditation is listening for the
answer when you start answering oh I know that’s why no you don’t that’s once again your egoic brain taking over
wanting to be right when it comes down to real answers righteousness has nothing to do with
it perception and awareness has to do with it and the only way just like we cannot talk and listen at the same time
it’s not possible once’s an outflow one’s an inflow you have to let your mind calm down and that’s one thing why
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reason why I really feel that we still have these things going on is because we still have so many people below that
level of 200 down in the level of force and not enough people rising into Power
yet but the consciousness of the humankind has gone up significantly
since even 30 years ago so it is on an upward slope and this is a good thing my
personal hope and I’m sure many people out there share this as well is I hope that we evolve in our Consciousness fast
enough to mitigate and reverse the damage that we’re doing to our planet and anybody um
once again I’ll be controversial again and that’s okay I don’t care I just I’m here to stimulate thought anybody who
says climate change isn’t real oh humans aren’t doing that I’m like okay well maybe not how big was the Pacific
Garbage Patch 30 years ago it wasn’t there people how about the Atlantic one how
about here in Utah on the wasat front when we get an what we call the inversion here and the air quality is so
bad that you walk out and they say it’s the same damage to your lungs as smoking
14 cigarettes a day for every man woman child’s pet every animal gets to breathe
that in tell me that was that way it wasn’t that way 30 40 years ago when I was growing up here never had that and
now sometimes it’s so toxic that they say he was a restorator do not go
outside tell me that was the way it was before and I’m going to tell you you’re full of [ __ ] it wasn’t and humans are
doing this stuff on the planet as we burn more things we’re poisoning our planet and whether we’re affecting the
climate or not okay uh that’s Up For Debate some people say yes some people say no but no one can deny that the
water quality report that came out last week that shows that every bottle of water contains millions of pieces of
nanoplastics that then go into your body that it’s being linked now to reproductive harm that’s why birth rates
are going down I mean come on don’t be stupid people yeah whether whether the
the climates um all that stuff is not as important as do you care or not do we
care about ourselves and others you know do we care enough to do our part to to
to not [ __ ] all over the Earth and people out there you know I mean yes that that’s what I tell people if we
want to have an immediate effect why not go out and pick up garbage you know and and or put trash cans up this is
something we can see the microplastics these are things now climate models all that stuff it to me that that’s that it
gets into politic politics and triggering pieces of emotion what it boils down to is do we care or don’t we
and are we going to do something practical about it uh and kindly about it instead of just using as another
platform for righteousness you know put our money where our mouth is and I don’t really have any other good Solutions
instead of take take U take care and take care of yourself and be open to to
to help helping myself and others you know kind to each other so Nate this has
been amazing I really appreciate uh your your expertise um and the the stories you
highlighted the the service work you’re doing you know the empowerment paths the
the health and wellness things especially for you know the masculine in particular which is yeah I mean that’s a
whole another thing we need more more masculine Role Models you know to to just to to show what I guess use the
Divine masculine here you know these these role models and you know are just
some wisdom and teaching around this I really appreciate what you’re doing your work how you’re helping people and
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went to went to sleep to come here to have this experience it’s time to wake up and do it on
purpose well cool Nate thanks again for joining and sharing with the audience
and may all beings everywhere uh find their most and train for their most
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