On Feb 16, 2024 Linn Rivers and I dug into wellness, health and healing on various levels with trauma being foremost. We also got into topics such as emotions, diets, microbiome, gut dysbiosis, salicylates, functional health, importance of lifestyle (changes), love, fear, relationships, death, self-care, self-discovery, NDEs, peace, spiritual growth, etc.
About Linn Rivers
My name is Linn Rivers and I teach people a different way of living and being in this world.
I am a health and wellness expert, educating people about their bodies and how to take their health into their own hands; mind, body and spirit.
Sharing my own journey is probably one one the greatest gifts I can offer the world.
I am able to connect with people on a wide range of traumatic events that I myself had to overcome, such as: death of all family members and partner, abandonment, neglect, sexuality, growing up with an alcoholic, relationship trauma, homelessness, career challenges, lack of direction, feelings of hopelessness, gender identity, anger and fear, addiction, illness, and near death experiences.
My educational background includes; Holistic/Functional Medicine, Microbiome Therapy, Spiritual Counseling, Eastern and Western Massage Therapy, Neurolinguistic Programming, Yoga Therapy, Life Coaching, Death Doula, Hypnosis, and Human Design Analysis.
When I am not working, you can find me laying low with my amazing and loving pit bulls, down in the bay on my paddleboard, out on my boat, or in the mountains rock climbing.
Biography
Linn is able to connect with people on a wide range of traumatic events that she herself has overcome, such as: death of lfamily members and a partner, abandonment, neglect, sexuality, growing up with an alcoholic, relationship trauma, homelessness, career challenges, lack of direction, feelings of hopelessness, gender identity, anger and fear, addiction, illness, and near death experiences. Rather these events took place as a child or later in life, Linn has the tools to assist you in moving forward to create a new reality and to live the life you absolutely deserve.
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holness welcome this is Josh dippold integrating presence and today I have
Lynn rivers with me Lynn what’s going on today not a whole lot just happy to be
here with you well right on as people may or may
not know what I often do here is if I haven’t met a guest uh beforehand and
talk too much then I throw it back and say who is Lynn Rivers uh and what kind
of work is involved what do you do that’s a great question so I am a Functional Health and
Wellness expert and I help people all over the world heal through chronic
health conditions and mental health disorders by understanding the root cause of all illness and really getting
to the basis of what’s happening in their body and what they can do to actually step into a completely new
trajectory with their health and general lifestyle in general and so I got into
that because of my own healing journey I had you know I started off very early on
in life with pneumonia when I was one and three asthma my entire entire childhood it went into hormonal issues
uh chronic depression I was suicidally depressed in my teens and 20s and then it turned into a lot of other gut
disbiosis which then turned into two near-death experiences and just a really
big journey of healing and my family the majority of them died actually before I was 15 years old also from many
different kinds of different illnesses and so it was just kind of my journey to learn as much as I possibly could about
the human body and what it means to genuinely heal the root of all illness you
mentioned and now that is intriguing and I want to just Dive Right into that
because that the root is the most important part because you as we know the metaphor of a tree if you cut
something off some trees will come back but if you uproot something so to me that’s that’s
fascinating all the other things are very important as well but let’s dive in what is that and how did you discover
that so functional medicine again it’s finding the root cause of illness and when we talk about the root cause when
you go to the doctor and you’re diagnosed with something they give you millions of different diagnoses right
those diagnoses are simply a symptom of an imbalance in your body and those
imbalances have a root cause of why they are happening and we can bring it back
to Lifestyle as the big picture but when we talk about lifestyle that means
everything what we eat how we eat who we’re eating with when we’re eating how
we’re sleeping that our activity levels all of these things go into what’s going
to happen to your body and if your body is going to have what it actually needs in order for it to heal itself right so
so I always like to remind people that diagnoses in general are just a
symptom and unfortunately a lot of the medical cultures they like to mask the
symptoms and that is not helping people heal that is that is just helping mask
the symptoms which is unfortunately your body’s way of saying hey something’s off and I need help right so we want to dig
for that and understand where the the the illness is coming from in the first place is it because of gut dysbiosis is
it because of a virus is there something going on in your body that’s not allowing your your system to actually do
the healing that it’s naturally meant to do our bodies are its own healing mechanism and when it has the nutrients
that it needs and it has the movement that it needs it can actually function and do so many things for us including
our you know our mental health and awareness our if our vagus nerve is working properly and our gut is doing
what it’s supposed to do we have millions of nerves that literally come from our gut to our brain and so
everything that’s happening in your gut is going to affect your mental health more than what we ever thought possible
right I mean we’re looking at 95% of what happens in our brain actually stemming from the gut so it’s a really
big deal and that’s what I do I help people uncover all of these different Avenues well beautiful the yeah the gut
brain as they say it’s it’s huge right now um for sure and I mean some of these
psychiatric medications and things they work on the serotonin levels and layers
and different chemical in the gut from what I understand um now the lifestyle you mentioned
lifestyle choices and being a thing how do you work with people with lifestyle
choices I mean do people come and uh I mean I’m sure this is kind of a delicate issue with some people they might if I
mean how do you point out someone’s lifestyle is not healthy for them I mean a lot of people obviously know this they
know they shouldn’t be living the way they’re living and yet you know without invalidation or they’re doing something
wrong there’s something fundamentally flawed with them I mean is there a Carro in the stick approach how do you work
with people to change Lifestyles so I am a more straightforward practitioner and I make
it known that if you’re going to work with me we are going to uncover everything I’m not a gentle person when
comes to it because I think that leads to people continuing to make excuses and it’s kind of that that mentality the
enabling mentality if you keep enabling them and you just like you know pacify
it they’re not going to get the picture and what I tell someone might not stick right away but it’s going to be in the
back of their head from here on out and at one point they’re going to have to stop and acknowledge what I’ve said to
them right and and again when we talk about lifestyle it’s it’s one of those things where it’s everything it’s not
just one thing and so it it really takes a person to reach a point in their life where they they recognize I’m not happy
and I can’t keep living this way and so they do look for someone like me who works in all the areas right mind body
spirit and so people know that they’re coming to me to get the big picture it’s
not just like this one process I I look at everything in their life and I also
think that it really comes down to one of the the biggest questions that I ask my clients is if you see yourself down
the road 5 years from now and you’re in the same position that you are today or potentially worse because things Tech
you know typically take that turn are you going to be happy and if they say no
and they’re willing to take the steps today those are the people that I work with right the ones that are ready and
they’re ready to invest in themselves they don’t B an eye at how much it costs they know that they have to make the
change that is how I weed people out I don’t work with just everyone I do do have a high price tag because I want the
people who are actually ready to make the changes and are going to invest in it so it it comes down to I give
straightforward advice I let people know exactly what they need to do in order to get better I give them all the tools
that they need right but just as that good that good saying says you can lead
a horse to water but you can’t make a drink that’s one of the biggest truths in life you can give people all the knowledge all day long but it’s up to
them to actually take it and to do the healing themselves I’m just a provider of the information they’re the ones that
are ultimately taking their healing into their own hands well right on well one of the
reasons I brought you here today is to talk uh about trauma but before we get there I was just curious about how how
how Hands-On are you with with clients are you checking up on them daily weekly
is it mainly just a um a a funnel them into resources and let them go on their
own H how does that work for anyone curious yes so it’s actually a month-long program that’s the minimal
that you can walk into and it’s four four sessions so the first session is
typically like an hour and a half long because that’s where we’re diving into everything and then we have four calls
and three other calls throughout the rest of the month but I also check in through text messages and make sure that
they understand you know the processes that I gave them what they’re what they’re needing to work through and if there’s any
questions and they do have access to me they can text me at any point when they have questions and I’ll respond when I’m
able to but it’s I’m very much a Hands-On like I want to make sure that they’re getting the information that
they need and that they’re actually taking the steps because wow it’s great that people pay me and I’m like okay
awesome I have your money now I still want you to do the work I don’t want you to waste your own money right so I put
my myself out there for them to they have access to me that entire month of really taking this seriously and
learning what they need to do because I am able to show people a completely different lifestyle within a month and
the changes that people recognize like immediately are so profound that I know
a month is a great amount of time to get them to see how they’re supposed to be feeling that way they can continue that
Journey moving forward well cool now now the big one
trauma you know I’ve just a little bit about me I’ve had a meditation practice since uh
2012 and it really turned my life around right away um which I haven’t heard of
too many cases of it doing that and I just committed to it right away but I don’t feel like I’ve had um of course we
I I tell folks and it seems this way if we just we’re born into a human body right there’s some degree of trauma just
from being alive in a human body but it seems like some people uh have more
trauma than others like really severe significant trauma I mean just for example like war war times or very uh
dark abuse of things okay um and so while we all have some degree of trauma
and comparison is not really helpful either it’s just when I meet with um
folks with a little bit more significant trauma I don’t know how to put it or talk about it really that all my
spiritual karate moves they don’t seem to really work you know it’s a whole another animal in itself so I want to
just throw it over to you to say what have you learned about trauma either professionally that you studied but more
importantly in your own life uh going into any kind of detail or generalities
however you want to frame it and we’ll start from there and then see if I have any specific
questions yeah so this is actually my abs absolute favorite topic because I
was one of those people where I had constant trauma my entire life up until
mid-30s right and so it really does come down to you can experience one big
traumatic event or you can have a lot of little traumatic events that spread out over time like myself so I like to let
people know the story of when I was a baby and I was in the hospital when I was 1 and three when you’re that age and
I was tied down in incubators so I was literally like struggling from the time I walked into this life right and when
you’re at that age you don’t understand the context of words you don’t actually
know the meaning you take on the feeling of what people how people are saying
them and so when I’m in these incubators and my parents are afraid that I’m about to die and they’re saying I love you it
comes out in fear right they’re saying it from a very fearful space and so I
very early on in life took on the word love as something terrifying and so I walked through the
world when I was a child fearing love when I could actually reach the age of saying I love you and understand what
they were saying at the age of four I would tighten up and get angry when they would say I love you and I would never
say it back I the most I could muster up was you to but I still remember the anxiety in my body at that age from the
word love right and so as time went on I had my grandma who was my favorite
person in the world and when I was 8 years old she was in the hospital she had been battling breast cancer for so
long and I was with her all the time as a child watching her fall in front of me not being able to help her I still
remember just always being in a state of anxiety because I didn’t know how to take care of myself and my caregiver
wasn’t able to like to be pretty consistent there and when she was in the hospital I wrote her a note and I was 8
years old and I for the first time in my life I said I love you and I said it at the end of the letter and 3 seconds
later she took her last breath now as an adult I’m like oh great she I I gave her
the gift of you know she was able to release because she was just so happy but as an 8-year-old you have a
narcissistic brain that thinks everything is connected to you and you caus everything so I thought that I
killed my grandma by saying I love you and so in that moment I shut that down
so much deeper and it became a thing that I really was afraid of and then moving on I I told
you like I was sick I was in and out of the hospitals I grew up with an alcoholic father very tumultuous family
and my mom died when I was 15 years old it was 4 days after my 15th birthday and I still wouldn’t say I love you cuz I
thought it was just going to kill her that much quicker so I walked through this life very much afraid of love and
happiness because the majority like I said the majority of my family died before I was 15 and every single time
they died it was a point where they had reached a really profound level of Happiness like when my uncle got married
and had a dream job and my mom just moved into our new house that we built and all of these
things they died right after they had this happiness so I equated love and
happiness equals Death and so I continued moving into my teenage years with this idea never be happy never love
anyone and so I created relationships that were very tumultuous reminded me of
my past and then of course I was suicidally depressed in my 20s and it
moved into inviting in a partner in my mid 20s who ended up dying of the same
cancer that my mom died of and that for me was the point where I really started turning things around and understanding
that I was creating my own reality more than I had ever imagined right so that
was the point where I really had to look at everything that I had experienced and those are just little pieces of it right
that’s like just a small piece of what I went through and I had to look at all of that stuff and realize that if I was
going to continue carrying that around I was going to keep inviting in the same
situations and having people die left and right I’m talking like 20 people before I was even 32 and so it was just
like this okay like I need to figure something out and that’s where I started
really diving into to the tra trauma aspect and healing through that and the thing that I really love talking about
most is I did every single modality that you could imagine I started yoga I started meditative practices I saw
therapists I worked through all of it from a perspective of energy and I understood all of it I impacted it so
well I I understood the beauty in all of it and I can look at it now and actually laugh at some of but just like oh my God
isn’t it funny the things that I created in my life that I invited in because I wasn’t letting go of the past right but
but I was still having these upheavals I was still having that suicidal feeling of I don’t want to be here I’d have
these massive breakdowns of crying I would have these aggressive outbursts
and of course I would keep linking it back oh well I must have not unpacked something from childhood right but then
I started diving into functional medicine after my last near-death experience which was about 6 years ago
and that is where things really started transitioning for me because I I started
seeing the body as a whole and not attaching it to the experiences that I
had right because those already happened in the past they’re done they my soul
knows like that was just an experience you’re here on Earth you’re going to have a bunch of different things you
know happen in life and then I started understanding the gut and how everything
that I was putting into my body body was affecting my mental health and I got into a lot of research that a lot of
people don’t I had to go deeper than so many people because my body was shutting down to the point where I could only eat
two Foods at one point and I almost had a heart attack from throwing a frisbee one time and so it was just something
that I had to go deeper because no matter what kind of practitioner I went to they weren’t able to give me the
answers so I started diving into things and I started learning about platin tox
and how some people can’t actually process plant toxins and there’s a specific plant compound called silicates
and they are neurotoxins and so if you have any kind of gut disbiosis which a lot of people do they can seep into your
bloodstream and cause so many different symptoms in fact they’re directly
correlated to autism to suicidal depression eczema all these different
conditions that we don’t hear about right we don’t think about about oh I’m eating plants and these things are
actually negatively affecting me and so when I learned about these and I cut them out of my diet I remember for the
first time for the first time in my life sitting and not having these crazy PTSD
thoughts running through my mind being on fight ORF flight mode and I remember sitting there being like is this how I’m
supposed to feel on a regular basis like this is my this is my normal and it was
in that moment for me that something just flipped the switch and it it shook me in a way that nothing has in life
because no one was talking about this stuff no one was mentioning all of these things that you could be destroying your
body with if you’re not actually able to process these right because of genetic mutations or you know certain gut
disbiosis that are causing these and so that’s where I actually started diving into this work on a much deeper level
because that for me was the moment where I went weeks without having any episodes
and then I intro reintroduced the foods again and was able to turn off and on this this response system in my body
that I had dealt with for 30 plus years of my life literally just in a constant
state of flight or flight and I turned it off immediately from one source of food right and so that’s where
everything just started shifting for me and I started working with my clients from a I was in a spiritual counseling
role to all of a sudden hey we’re going to dig deeper I want to get a gut sample
on you I want to figure out what’s going on in your in your body and genetic mutations and all of these different
regulation you know our system regulating and so I I did this with my clients and they found the same thing
like what you know people in their 50s who had worked on this stuff for 30 plus years and still had these these episodes
whatever you want to call them and they found the same thing of oh my God I didn’t know that I could feel this calm
I didn’t know that I could feel this at EAS ease in my life and feel like I can take on things and actually go out into
public and so that was really the big aha moment for me that we tend to look
at trauma as an external space right and that that’s where we need to heal it and
that’s the only place that we need to heal it but the reality is is yes trauma does affect our body but our body also
affects the way that we experience the trauma because if our body is not able to take care of itself and it’s not
running the right you know neuros circuits and not getting to rewire to reprogram because we don’t actually have
the the nutrients to do so or our cells aren’t functioning correctly or our Vegas nervous constantly or F on fight
or flight we’re never going to be able to rewire our programming that is geared towards the trauma in the first place
wow that’s incredible I had no idea that uh what you discovered that seems like a
very important Discovery and I I can’t help but Wonder um what the link is here
I I’m I’m just guessing that these these foods that you cut out are
actually some other people do totally okay with them so have you found has has
there been any link uh at all why this is yeah so it all really comes down to
methylation issues right and so one when you have gut disbiosis and you have leaky gut that’s a big first offender if
you also have genetic mutations such as the ma Gene which is the mono oxine a gene if you have a mutation in that you
actually have a really hard time processing certain things because the plant compounds like oxalates and
silicates for example they’re actually really toxic to the human body in general but most people have the liver
function to be able to process them enough to where they don’t show symptoms until it’s too much right there is a
high level of solic lates that everyone should be avoiding and to make it clear aspirin for example is come from solic
lates from from these plant compounds and that’s why it’s so damaging to the gut if you do too much aspirin and it’s
no different with the plants and unfortunately we’re living in a very fattish world where we pick up all these
diets and we think oh everyone’s doing them so I should too but it really comes down to remembering that ancestrally we
didn’t have all of these different plants that we do today there most of them are hybrids right and so they have
a completely different mechanism to vent themselves from being eaten and so they have higher solic lates and higher
oxalates and you you can cook down oxalates but you can’t cook down solic
lates in food and so when we’re absorbing all of these plant compounds
that we wouldn’t usually absorb right because thanks to importation we have access to so many different plants that
wouldn’t actually be in season and they’re definitely not ripe they don’t they’re not given the opportunity to
ripen as they would in just our natural environment and so we’re eating all of these
different compounds and we’re putting that on top of other things like alcohol and insulin resistance is one of the
biggest things so then our liver is not functioning properly and while it’s trying to take on all these toxins it
can only do so much and so in general your liver has to process all of these
and it eventually gets to a point where it says oh I can’t do these there there’s too much so I have to push these
off and then those recirculate and go into the bloodstream and then we have constipation which just perpetuates that
push off and going back into the bloodstream so it starts building up over time and so when you take that and
you compound that with someone who has these genetic mutations such as the Mal gene or other sulfur intolerances as
well those things are going to inhibit the the release of those toxins also and
so just it’s building up and it’s building up and so it just becomes a vicious cycle and that’s a lot of
reasons why people are having these big difficulties and not even understanding that if they could back off of certain
foods that alone is going to give their body an ability to reset and be able to
catch up and take care of these toxins I don’t want to get too far into the the
food thing I’m wondering now yes there are a lot of hybrid Foods I wonder though with the heirloom Foods I mean
it’s it’s hard to get heirloom Foods outside of farmers markets but there from what my understand understanding is
there’s quite a bit of diversity in heirloom Foods although they’re harder to grow and not as many people grow them
so uh yeah uh that’s just one thing that came up um and then also is there a um a
generalized diet that you think would work for most people you know um or like
what do you recommend in general for a diet for folks if you can yes so we do need more protein than
we’re made on to be told right it’s a very low level but the the fact is our
body is built on protein and when we don’t have enough protein things can’t rebuild as easily and that’s your entire
body it’s not just one part and the other thing is we need to eat lower carb
diets carbs are directly linked to insulin resistance and unfortunately we
eat so many carbs especially here in America it’s the ideal amount of carbs
that anyone would want to have is no more than 50 gram of carbs per meal
right and that’s still high and the the reality is a lot of people are eating a
western diet that easily has 150 to 200 grams of carbs per meal and that is
spiking your glucose so much which then comes to spike your insulin levels and
what I like to remind people is when you’re doing this one your blood sugars should remain as Min as low as possible
that is where you have the best healing capacities and when you spike your blood glucose and your insulin spikes that’s
where we see a lot of damage start occurring because insulin resistance doesn’t just affect one area of your
body it actually affects every single cell in your body and 88% of the
population has insulin resistance 50% either has pre-diabetes or is pre is
already diabetic that’s where we’re at already in this world and this is what causes this this is why we have such an
epidemic and I who looked thin and healthy at certain points in my life I
was pre-diabetic and I didn’t realize and when I looked at how many carbs I was eating I couldn’t even believe like
it it just wasn’t even on my radar to think about that and then when I actually started being able to connect
the pieces I’m no longer pre-diabetic because I eat a keto diet which doesn’t have to be for everyone I’m not saying
there’s a one siiz fits all but being in ketosis is where our body is actually
able to do the best healing because ketones are what actually you know initiate the healing response and we
don’t allow ourselves to get into that state often enough a lot of people just constantly eat throughout the day never
giving their body a rest to you know giving it enough time to rest and digest and so the one thing that I always
recommend for people is watch your carbon take that is where everything is coming coming down to No Matter What
study I do no matter what disease I pick it all comes back to insulin
resistance well right on very helpful thanks now I want to Circle back to the
spiritual side of this and I just use that word because there’s I don’t know
of a better alternative but one thing that that comes up around this is um and
maybe this is too personal and we don’t have to we don’t have to go into in there I couldn’t help but wonder your
relationship now to love and fear um
what uh how has it changed and uh I don’t I I don’t know this this strikes
me as something that’s really really important in your story and your journey um because and then there’s there’s so
much in life it seems like you know this inversion that what normally what most
people think of as love has now been flipped up or had been flipped upside
down or I don’t know how distorted or I don’t know how to put it but and I’m not
really crazy about this word love either because I mean I can love ice cream
right I can love um you know doing something that’s not healthy for me so
this word in itself is it can be problematic so I want to put that out there um first and I I op for these
really kind of uh heartfelt qualities and bodily Notions of compassion meaning
acknowledging people’s pain and and caring for it wanting it to um release
and them to know peace um loving kindness which is this friendliness and
this goes both ways to myself others and and it can go to all beings everywhere I
mean there’s no bounds on these these Sublime abiding and then there’s a a joy
being happy for other people’s happiness right instead of uh me being jealous for someone’s happiness I can actually be um
live vicariously through their happiness and feel happiness for their happiness and there is no limit and there’s no
it’s not a scarcity thing and then this equinity this this wise balanc thing
that recognizes that you know someone has to live their life I mean I could love I can do I wish the best for them
and do everything for them but at the end of the the day they have to make their own decisions so so when I say
love I kind of mean like um the good version of it where there’s these these
uh noticeable heart qualities that are more specific and what we mean by that so
again let me just say so the relationship to to love and fear and
what you’ve learned about these and how you view these and if there’s an importance to them
now yeah you know so I think it comes back to there is only one form of love
there is not a negative form of love right if you’re genuinely loving it is love right there are false loves in
which I did spend a good chunk of my life pretending that I loved people but it was just patterns right it was just
Old Wounds showing up in new forms and that’s not love and not being happy for
people who are succeeding that’s not love and a lot of people can can fake that a lot of people can pretend to be
happy for others but when you actually reach that point you know it the feeling
is so beautiful in your body it’s like you’re experiencing that same thing it you don’t have to look at oh I want this
you don’t have to put any thought into that it just becomes a I’m so happy for them and when you can reach that point
you’ve really elevated to a completely different level because you’re no longer seeking external validations of I need
XYZ in order to be happy right because that’s what it really comes down to is I’m jealous because I want that too when
you can become so centered in yourself and know that you have everything you need by being with you that’s all you
need to really genuinely love and what really switched for me was my my
near-death experiences brought me so much closer to I don’t have fear anymore
right I can go and do anything that I want to do and might have the thoughts
of like death is always at my Forefront of everything because I’ve experienced so much of it in my life that I’m aware
like I can do anything in this life and I could potentially die we’re walking on that line every single second of our you
know our existence but that’s not fear to me the fear no longer exists and I
think love is the easiest thing for me now I I genuinely love just my existence
right and so I I don’t fear it anymore did I continue attracting people who repeated the pattern even though I
understood that yes because that was not a pattern that I had broken yet and understood like oh this is this is just
old patterns and I keep drawing this in but I got to the point where I’ve spent seven years mostly alone because of the
self-love that I’ve you know grown into and I think that’s the most important
form of love that you need to find in order to offer that anywhere else in the
external World it really does start with you and finding everything within
yourself to love in order to be able to offer that to other people in this life
and I I think it just it shifted my life because I I no longer have fear of not
having enough I no longer have fear of not becoming something specific you know
I had all of these Notions of I should be doing this in life and I should be this and have all of these and and it
brought me back to this space of oh my God no everything is always perfect and is always working out for me and that
means accepting The Duality of life also and that really did actually bring me more into my empathic connections before
were awful like I wanted everyone to heal I wanted everyone to be better and
to be do better and to peace for the world and then when I came back and I saw you know I had gotten to see Earth
from this completely different perspective all of a sudden I understood like oh this is this is a beautiful
playground and we have to have the opposition so everyone is playing such a perfect role for each other and we are
mirrors to each other right and we are energy it’s not a woooo thing it’s a
scientific thing that we are energy and what we emanate is what we get back so
when you’re encountering these situations on a regular basis that don’t feel good you need to turn that inwards
and figure out what am I projecting that is inviting this into my life life and
that is where we learn to turn things around and to understand that there is such a perfect balance in life and we’re
not meant to fix other people they’re supposed to be on their own journey and they are learning exactly what they need
to learn and that is love being able to offer a person their space to have their
Journey without our input or without our beliefs of what is right for them that
is love you know it’s not loving to tell another person well you should be doing ex-wife Z just because you think they
should be you don’t know what they need to learn you don’t know what their soul came here to do and that to me just
really shifted that I see love in the most profound ways in this world that a
lot of people would never look at as
love beautiful I want to ask you about these
um I’m fascinated by near-death experiences too uh I don’t know if you we dropped a little bit there and you
talked about coming back to Earth and having a different perspective but be before we do I just wanted to know if
you’ve heard these perceptions of um uh these thoughts that folks may have about
ending their lives and stuff that it’s actually not them a lot of times that it’s actually something they’re picking
up on from the collective so if someone picks uh especially if someone has these
thoughts and they they think wait where is this coming from I don’t want to do this I have I don’t want to do you know
especially for that type of um situation that what if they’re either imp pathing
or picking up on something in the collective thought form the other thing I heard that I thought was intriguing
around this is that the more one wants the more one chooses to be here the
easier it gets uh you know what I mean by that and
then um yeah and then I’ll I’ll just ask about uh sharing uh any details you
think you would like to on the the the near-death
experiences yeah so let me see if I can unpack this the yes people can be
picking up on other people’s energies and that’s something that does happen
where before my dad died and my appendix ruptured right afterwards there was a moment where I
wanted to jump ship right when he was dying and I didn’t know that he he had just died and I was picking up this like
I just I was certain that I was ready to leave this life and so we can be picking
up other peoples if we are connected to them in a pretty tight space right but
more so I think I found that all of the suicidal feelings went away when I again
when I got my body in check and now I can still make those Spike to this day
by eating the wrong Foods right like I if I set myself off I will definitely so
I can easily go back into that space of I don’t want to be here and I get overwhelmed to the point where it just
it’s that overwhelming sense of Despair and so I see that as a twofold yes it is
possible for both but if someone’s experiencing that more regularly I would say it’s an internal thing that they
need to work with with their body versus if it’s just like every once in a while they’re picking up something and they’re
in a negative area and my near-death experience it was really
it it was really profound right it was the most peace I’ve ever felt in my entire life like before both times as an
adult before I almost died it just the best way that I could describe is the
most sense of peace that I could ever feel on this world like I think that’s what people seek to find in this life
and the reality is we’re not going to find that sense of Peace like it is just so light because we’re not we’re not in
a human body so it it’s just it’s profound and it’s beautiful
and I did see Earth from uh both perspectives actually I got to see it before and after Co and I got to see
what Co actually was and that we needed a massive cleanup we needed a big reset
and Earth the first time was not looking good it was dark and dingy and it was
dying and I remember looking back up at these beings and just saying does that
mean that I have to go back and they said said yes you have to go back this is why you’re here and I was like okay
great and so I come back in and then the second time I got to see Earth and this
was after Co happened and that it was green it was greener it was brighter it
was healing and they showed me this is why this had to happen we needed a massive reset and so people couldn’t
operate right during that time and we found all of these wonderful things happening with Earth like things just
starting to regrow within weeks right of this this big pause that we had to have
and so I got to see it from a completely different perspective and they gave me a heads up before it actually happened so
I was F like I walked through this world like just with ease during that I was just like okay great like spending a lot
of time alone this is perfect and it was just a really beautiful experience to see it from a perspective that wasn’t
fearful right because everyone else was living in this deep sense of fear during that time and I was able ble to walk
through and be like oh like this is a part a much bigger part of the the bigger picture and I got to see the
beauty in it again it came back to that perspective of getting to see the beauty and what was happening when it looked so
dark from a physical perspective and so it was just a really beautiful profound
I mean there’s so much to that right I I tend to have people bring me back on just to talk about the near-death
experience because there’s so much to it but in in nutshell it just it made me
such a happier person and when I came back here and talking about actually
being here I was always one foot out the door like I mean from the time I was a baby right I was always one foot out the
door and it was the last time where I came back and I woke up in the hospital bed and I was in the hospital for a week
but I was like oh my God I came back again and I need to stay here like I
need to be here and actually do what what I came here to do because I kept
trying to escape and it wasn’t time for me to escape and so when I put both feet
down I actually spent the entire year climbing and playing and meeting people
and traveling and just enjoying life learning to actually enjoy being here and that brought me
into a completely different perspective and now I’m happy to be here I’m just as excited to go home but I’m also happy to
be here now well that’s so beautiful and love Lely then I I do have one question
around that did the beings who you met with did they say who they were or or anything like that and what did they
look like did you get to see them well so here’s the thing we’re all from
different parts of the universe it’s not what people think right we a lot of us
as healers are actually here from other planets who um we were put here to
really help the world heal it’s not even about helping people heal it’s about helping Earth because we’re I’m from is
another galaxy basically is the for lack of better term we don’t use language but
it’s a different galaxy and our planet was actually destroyed much as Earth was
in the process of being destroyed and so we were put here to to Aid this right
but a lot of beings here and this is where the idea of like pleadians and andromedans and all of these other
beings comes from is the fact that we do have different Origins and where I was
was taken was actually a spaceship because the The Colony that I’m from we
tend to be more we’re more mobile we’re actually we go from different places and
so it was just this really profound sense of oh my God like here I’m going to give you two big pieces because when
I was 15 and my mom died I was driving home with my
grandpa and I I look out the window and I see a spaceship not didn’t even f phas
me that I was seeing a spaceship right in front of me and this thing comes down eye level to me I hear my mom say I’m
home and I’m okay my mom and I have the same origin and she tells me that and
then it shoots off up to the left and then it shoots over to the right and it comes down right back in front of me and
then it just takes off and I’m 15 I just turned 15 years old I don’t bat an eye I
understand it like nothing like it was just like common knowledge to me and I never thought twice of it and then when
I’m taken into the spaceship when I have my near death experience I was just like oh like when I came back I was like my
God that just made so much sense right and and then the bigger thing that the
second thing that I wanted to mention is there’s a movie called astral City and there’s a guy named Chico Xavier who was
the world’s first well-known psychic and this guy looked like an alien he had
such bizarre eyes that he had to wear glasses because people just could not look at him it’s like they forgot to put
him in a human body and so he was one of the first ones that started channeling
dead people in public for people like he would just walk up to people and be like your mom’s name was Mary and this is
what she’s telling me and so he became really famous really quick and he actually channeled a being from another
planet and they made a do documentary about that and then they made a movie about it and this movie is old it’s at
least 15 16 years old at this point and when I came back a couple years later I
actually ended up watching this movie and it’s the same exact place that they took this guy in the movie The the same
like the same healing light that they were using the same food that they were eating the way the the beans in the
white they they looked human right they looked like a more humanlike form but
just taller just like more peaceful it was like androgynous kind of and um and
it was the same place that in this movie this guy went to I mean it was like identical the wall structures everything
and I was just like oh my God were they channeling the same place that I’m from it was just a really bizarre moment to
see what I experienced actually happening in the physical that happened to somebody
else okay and so so I wonder if these are what some people call as the uh
Nordic aliens the the Nordic looking beings um uh that they’re humanoid or there’s
also there there’s so many different races and classes so well yeah unless
you know anything else Lynn it’s um been an honor and a pleasure here um would
you like to tell people how they can get in touch with you uh bring people people’s attention to any courses or um
products you may have uh how people can work with you the best way to get in touch with you basically and then take
uh everybody out with like a last message what would you like to leave folks with here then
today yeah so you can find me at http://www.in rivers.com and that’s L NN
rivers.com and I actually have all of my services on my website but more
importantly I’m creating a course right now that is in pre-launch and during pre-launch it’s only $50 because I want
people to have a no excuse price to find out about their health and their body
and understand the root cause of all illness and it ranges from everything from functional medicine to mindset
mentality and really just runs everyone through what they need to know in order to heal it’s basically me handing them
the tools for $50 and saying take this information and run with it and so so
that’s my biggest my biggest contribution that I’m working on right now and I also like to leave people with
the reminder to invest in yourself you you know there’s so many people who are willing to spend money out there to to
do all these different things and buy all these different gadgets or spend money on electronics and everything of
that nature but using that money to better yourself is going to be the best investment that you’ll ever give
yourself and so really just open up to doing that and taking care of yourself on all levels Mind Body Spirit very cool
Lynn thank you so much may all beings everywhere know perfect Optimal Health
and may all beings everywhere realize Awakening and be free
Integrating Presence 