On December 11, 2023 Antonia and I dug into: how love is what’s underneath after clearing and healing pain; pain existing where consciousness doesn’t flow; being more creative on how to see beyond pain; noticing how pain changes; is pain real; not believing the story of pain; our relationships to pain; fear, shame, rage, resistance; buying out of identifications; clinging; outdated belief systems falsely posing as love; anger; boundaries; power of presence and attention; using spaciousness of meditation to bridge to higher realities
About
I am Antonia, and I assist people in seeing ancient stories of pain and separation. This pain is where we hold the 3rd dimension in our bodies, but to see it is to dissolve it. I help you dismantle the pain infrastructure through sharing energies of deep seeing as beneath the pain is your connection to your creativity and to our collective. I am here to share the energy of awareness and a vision into yourself and your connection to all. We are not separate; only our pain tells us we are. I invite you to walk with me on an often uncomfortable but magical journey into your next reality. It’s not an easy path because we must see our pain for what it really is. This is the alchemy of awareness. This is the transmutation of pain into love and dark into light. This is the next dimension.
Biography
Antonia’s accelerated transformation started in 2006 when she discovered her capacity to dissolve lifetimes of pain in her own body through a harrowing journey inward. Raising the vibration by inviting a deep seeing of the truth of pain, she now assists clients in enabling their process of dissolution of ancient trauma stories.
Antonia spent the early decades building up knowledge, intellect, data, and credibility. Now she is learning to unlearn. To expand awareness, she disassembles the infrastructure of the mind and surrenders it to the heart. As an integrative therapist, she blends Western modalities of therapeutic relationship with the metaphysical transmutation of the trauma of separation. Antonia helps people see the pain as a signal and opportunity for expansion; to bring awareness to pain and integrate our hidden suffering into the greater whole. She takes people into deeper levels of seeing and knowing through her one-on-one healing sessions, online modules, workshops, and retreats.
Her goal is to assist healers, seekers, and psychonauts get ready for a wave of healing as our collective, ancient traumas surface more rapidly and readily on our path to the next reality. This is her passion. This is her destiny. This is her collective.
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https://www.tribetocollective.com
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Audio: Pain as Illusion? Unstucking Consciousness With Antonia
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holness welcome this is Josh tippled of
integrating presence and today I have
Antonia with me is is that right
Antonia Antonia is usually how Antonia
thank you okay so I I just seem to have
a habit of mispronouncing people’s names
here anonia so just anonia
right so how’s it going H how are you
and um uh what’s going on
today yeah it’s good I am actually down
in southern
Mexico um trying to absorb some of the
heat in the ocean to help things move
more easily so I feel very fortunate to
be able to be here very cool so the
standard format is especially if I don’t
know the guest is to toss it right back
to you let you introduce yourself who is
Antonia and what does she
do so uh I am a registered
psychotherapist uh meditation teacher
yoga teacher a lot of the standards that
seem to be in the healing
circles um and in the last 17 years uh
you know kind of launched all of that
launched in the last 17 years because of
a very sort of strange shift in
realities that happened um and because
of that sort of a lot of the work that I
do and the teachings that I do uh moved
literally into a whole other reality
so that’s the big
picture well that is the big picture um
I I would imagine there are still some
people listening to this that have are
kind of still in the standard version of
reality or more daytoday uh my fiance
calls it the bass program is there
anything worth mentioning from that to
to bring people to where or were you
always in in this type of um thing you
know the standard work a day world were
you ever part of that and yeah yeah I
came from before 2006 I came from a very
academic political reality I was in
human rights and International
Development it was a very supercharged
reality and a very thinking reality a
very intellectual reality and then in
2006 for reasons that I
think you know some many people believe
there sort of a life path something
there was enough space for something to
click for my life you know a life path
to ignite and it became extremely
bizarre according to these old standards
and uh actually became very very
uncomfortable and what I started to do
and still do is I release pain I just
continue to release trauma out of this
body and through that process of
releasing pain almost on a daily basis
basis uh physical emotional mental
energetic discomfort disorder something
that’s not in
alignment then a lot of new wisdom and
knowing came in and a lot of questions
as to what reality is really about for
example
if I think I lost you Josh no I’m still
here yeah right so for you’re saying for
example yeah so for so for example
question was if pain can be there one
second and gone the next and all of the
thought processes and beliefs and
feelings that go with it if it could be
there one second and gone the next could
it actually be
real and so then I began to ask well if
pain isn’t actually
real what does that make this reality
and then what is actually real and what
I found underneath every painful Rock
was that the reality they kept showing
was uh one of compassion and love and
connection that seemed to be the
standard that continued to show up and
all the wisdoms that was sort of locked
underneath the pain revealed themselves
that in a way that it was really hard
for me to take because it was so you
know in Academia it would be considered
fluff and mushy and it took years for me
to actually you know absorb that our
reality is actually founded upon and our
I believe our original selves are
constructed upon energies and a reality
of just love I mean and I think that
that’s just physics it
became just physics it’s the way that we
operate yeah well you you said a lot
there so we can um before we even start
unpacking that let’s let’s um back up
here to well first off I want to say
that’s a huge um part of my path too is
investigating the true nature of reality
and to me that’s I mean if it’s other
everything else is just a falsehood and
and a lie and not really worth the time
or delusion and deception there’s so
many different overlays of deception and
things that just aren’t false and
there’s a lot of people with a lot of
good intentions they just have it look
deeper into what’s going on I know I’m
um do the same thing of repeating this
other people as well I mean then there
are certain things that are helpful
along our path uh for certain time and
then there’s layers and layers and
layers let’s let’s just start uh with
pain itself okay so this is uh you know
i’ I’ve I’ve been into the Buddhist
teachings and Buddhist practices and
this word duah uh which is sometimes
translated as pain but not like
suffering which is a really intense word
in the in the western uh world because
people think well I’m not suffering
that’s so intense but it can even be as
subtle as un satisfactoriness this thing
that just these things aren’t right you
know no matter how much I I think I I’ve
got everything I want you know or or I
if I could just get this other thing
then I’ll be happy and it just that
thing never ends um so it’s just that
nothing ever satisfies but when you talk
the the pain body now this is something
you know synchronous um synchronous here
because my
fiance uh was in physical pain here
recently and Mom I think she’s she’s had
extra ramping up of physical pain and
stuff like this so uh from a from
personal experience let’s let’s start
there let’s um I guess maybe talk more
about the pain body how these how this
perception let’s just our perception of
pain our experience of pain and I mean
so it’s more palpable for people we can
do physical pain but I know I’ve
experienced a lot of psychological and
psychic emotional pain too so yeah
there’s so many different pains and a
lot of times it can be felt in the body
whatever pain we’re having it it seems
to have a physical correspondence in the
body so talk about that what is there an
origin to this do you think you know
where does it come from how does it get
there how does it get reinforced and
then how do we work with it and let it
go so a lot of lot of questions there
beautiful I think it’s a great
conversation so the way I understand and
way pain came to me and and its
function is that we have I think I see
ourselves right now in this reality
we’ve kind of crunched ourselves into a
very small dense reality and in that
reality there a very unaware
space because because Consciousness
doesn’t flow very well in this reality
now where Consciousness doesn’t flow
pain exists and we could use pain pain
or suffering as a state of not seeing as
a state where Consciousness doesn’t flow
very well so we’re Consciousness doesn’t
flow very well the nature of pain is
actually to only see itself and the
example I use with my clients is for
example if you’re riding a bicycle and
you get hit by a car and your leg is
broken you could have a dozen people
that flood up to you that want to assist
you that want to get you to the hospital
that want to make sure you’re okay but
the only thing that you and your broken
leg can see is your broken leg so that
pain Keeps Us in a state of unseeing and
a very narrow view of our reality The
Wonder of that is in out of that narrow
view of reality that pain only sees
itself its own needs and how to get out
of pain and one of the ways to get out
of pain is be avoidant and deny it which
is what one of the ways that we cope in
this reality and keeps us stuck in this
reality
but one of the things that come out of
this very crunched narrow reality is we
develop incredible creative
capacities to then expand our reality so
we get out of this pain space and so one
of the things the the the eras that I
think we’re moving into now is to draw
in to bring in many different flavors of
seeing of seeing of awareness which is
consciousness which is to see beyond the
pain
so I think that that’s what’s happening
now is that we are getting very creative
on how we draw in Awareness SL
Consciousness which is
love this is a good way to put it um I I
might add something there and to meet
those are uh perceptual changes that
there it’s a different way of perceiving
what’s happening to us so that’s we go
from perceiving it one way to expanding
our perception
to having all kinds of other choices in
how to see this and to then respond with
it perhaps but yes I I I would say that
the the the narrowness of Consciousness
you know the the the untrained mind it’s
when it’s in pain it wants to deal with
that because that’s the most important
thing Consciousness seems to be drawn to
where it’s needed the most right but
like you’re saying it tends to get
locked into a narrow fixated view but
doesn’t really have the proper tools or
Vision like you’re saying in order to
know how to see it in in a better light
or what to do with it and how to um
respond to it um yes um now the other
thing you said there at the go ahead
yeah well I think you know one of the
things that I teach my clients then is
to reframe their perception and one of
one of the reframings that I offer
consistently in all the teachings and
the Retreats is is if pain can be there
one second and go on the next meaning is
it actually
real meaning then pain can show up and
it can hurt like the devil and it can
take over but I think the shifting needs
to begin in this not believing it not
believing the story that pain is trying
to tell you is a fundamental foundation
in beginning to bring in the energy of
consciousness of awareness of the just
pure seeing so that we can shift our
relationship with pain which then allows
it the very energy the density of pain
itself starts to shift and that’s where
more potential comes in and that’s where
different flavors of love come in and
that’s where different flavors of
compassion come in and Shifting the
relationship to pain and therefore
shifting our
reality very good points and I want to
get to love and dig into that in a
little bit because that’s a huge one and
so this this said it really well there
um our relationship in the story in the
belief those three key wordss are so
powerful and I think um Western Society
has been conditioned so much to have to
believe or disbelieve things and it’s
actually in in my experience there’s no
need that we have to believe or
disbelieve anything there’s another
option of just taking it as information
that way the emotional investment isn’t
required uh to believe or disbelieve
something it takes a lot of emotional
energy to believe or disbelieve
something but it’s not actually
necessary and when we’re looking for the
the truth of the way things are belief
can actually get in the way of truth
because it’s it’s really hard to let go
of a belief even if something true comes
in that counters a false belief we have
then it’s harder to let go of that
belief because we’ve spent so much time
and energy upholding a belief that maybe
no no longer might serve us now the
stories are great too right because we
we understand our world and stories but
a lot of times they’re just not helpful
I mean look at the the media and stuff
all these I mean they’re they’re
fascinating stories but at the end of
the day how many are actually helping
improve our lives you know uh we don’t
hear about all the the goodness in the
world too and the love that people show
each other and the helpful things and
stories can be based around them but we
they don’t really sell that well a lot
of times right and now the but the
relationship is that is so important
because even when we’re not around other
people we’re in relationship to every
single experience that we have you know
every single phenomena we can have a
relationship and even an absence of a
relationship is a type of relationship
too
yeah I agree but and I think that that
relationship
like it shows
up you know whether I’m in my what I
would call like the programmed reality
or I’m in an authentic reality shows up
in how what what appears in that
relationship the energy between between
me and whatever the other is and you
know the way I uh experience it or the
way I gauge it is if they’re showing up
only as you know either neutrality or
love or compassion then I believe that
I’m that there’s High Consciousness
flowing and that we’re in you know we’re
in that in a more of an original reality
a higher reality but if there’s if
there’s fear or shame or rage or
resistance then that’s a programmed
reality that’s fear shame AG that needs
to be observed and brought into
awareness so that we can reveal the
story underneath you know and then
release it very good now have you come
across people that you know we tell them
about like shame blame and guilt that
they can add extra layers of Shame blame
and guilt on top because they have shame
blame and guilt you know what I mean I
feel I feel shameful that I have shame
you know so it’s just this compounding
thing you know um so that’s um so so
you’re familiar with this too how do we
how do we deal with people like that and
then also
um people have to be open too because
there there’s certain types of people if
you know they’re just not open to um
help a lot of times right or or want to
hear things because then they think that
they’ve that they should have done it on
their own already you know that that uh
right that then it’s something they’ve
done wrong because they haven’t done it
on their own yet right because
um because oh then it’s like okay I you
know what I mean right yeah yeah but I
think that that’s all part of the
teaching to reframe it and part of the
you know not believing in the essence of
the story as soon as you identified as
fear shame and rage I you know teach
people as soon as you identify then know
that you’re seeing a story and that’s
your opportunity to change your
relationship with it no matter what it’s
saying no matter what the thought
process is as soon as you identify your
and this is difficult because we live in
realities of denial so to actually see
be willing to see that I’m I’m in a
story of fear shame and rage whether
it’s directed outwards or whether it’s
directed inwards to still identify it as
a story and a manifestation
of a reality you can choose to to buy
out of and actually
transform then we buy out no matter what
the direction of the fear shame and rage
guilt grief discussed is it doesn’t
matter so just to identify and I assist
my clients in identifying it through the
feeling in the body where is the
vibration of fear shame rage showing up
and if you can’t get in the body then
it’s identifying through a thought
process is this thought process one of
reflecting one of compassion love even
neutrality and if it’s not then you have
a breadcrumb trail into what’s going on
where you’re holding the density of the
story The non-reality in your being in
your body this is I I think this is the
absolute key and one of the most
important points of all this is our
identification because we can have all
these experiences but the moment we pick
it up and say okay this is who I am this
is me I’m an I’m a rageful person you
know I’m an angry I’m a sad person I’m
you know I’m I’m this I’m that and
that’s who I am people make that who
they are but that’s not it it’s just an
experience passing through right these
these experiences come and go it’s only
when we pick it up latch it on and cling
tightly to it and say this is me this is
mine this is who I am that’s when the
problems start uh to but I think that
we’ve been trained for thousands of
years to
cling I and we’ve been we’ve inherited I
believe in the very dense programming of
the physical self ways of clinging and
holding and
believing and so I think that we you
know uh we at this time I believe it’s
an extremely magical time because I
think that we are getting enough energy
that’s starting to come in to start to
shift both on the individual and the
collective level these old programs of
holding these old belief systems of
Oppression of resistance so I think that
we are getting deeper and deeper
bringing the seeing into the old ways
that we even thought were love and we
recognize actually this isn’t love at
all this is just another way of denying
and avoiding and depressing
so we’re bringing energy into those
really Ancient Ancient programs of
holding and resisting I think and that’s
what makes this era right now and I mean
era like few hundred years I think we’re
probably going to be going through of
this big uh reveal and this big opening
and this big expansion I think it’s
quite a rich
time well yeah yeah we can definitely
get into the the um the current
energetics and where you think things
are going in more detail but the the
clinging thing is absolutely absolutely
um clear and on board with that the the
more we cling the more we’re going to
experience suffering you know um so how
can we cling less or at least tighten
the clinging now I get it if someone
throws us a life preserver you know that
makes sense to cling on to for a while
but just because it saves our life
doesn’t mean we’re going to go and and
carry it around with us the Le rest of
our lives right and cling on to that so
there’s a time to pick up something and
there’s a time to put it down and
there’s a time to to tighten our grip on
something but more than likely if we
just walk around with a tight fist all
the time it’s more helpful if we let you
know loosen that grip and then we have
more functionality in our hand when we
you know yeah and um so yeah yeah yeah I
mean anger is one of those things for
example that can serve us something’s
not working something got in that
shouldn’t get in and we have a
contracted State we observe the
contracted State we let the body move
out out of a fight ORF flight State and
we go okay what got in and now I can
move into a higher South and decide how
do I need to rearrange my boundaries in
order for this this being to feel safe
at least right now and our definition of
safety if we’re aware we’ll also shift
and change as we continue to construct a
safer reality right as we continue to
see that what we thought was a threat a
year ago or in the past lifetime is
actually no longer a threat but you know
something like anger I think can serve
us in a second in a moment that
contracted State and then if we’re in
aware State we can let it go and mine it
for what it’s trying to tell us I
totally agree and yeah sometimes the
most compassionate thing we can do is
set and reinforce boundaries instead of
just completely cutting people off
forever I mean you know that boundary
might need to be there for the rest of
our lives but but you know as things
change you know yeah there were still
the protection but then the opportunity
if they’re needs to be or wants to be
reconnection in the future but maybe not
so that there’s there’s options and
there’s there’s safety and protection
things change and things evolve yeah
that’s it’s it’s a beautiful thing and
anger I found too is like it’s to me
it’s kind of like a last ditch effort
because sometimes if people are in an
abusive situation that anger is you know
could could be a motivating force to get
up and get out of there do anything you
one needs to get out of an abusive
situation you know instead of oh I
should just accept this this type of
thing these obvious things to us but
that’s a whole another um Dynamic too um
so yeah this let’s I i’ like I’d like to
um transition to the the love thing and
uh you know in in the Buddhist
Traditions they’re called the Brahma
viharas are the dwelling place of the
sublime abodes and these are four
flavors of love and they they’re
boundless States so there is no
competition needed
you know there is no limmit you know
they’re they’re
inexhaustible and without measure um and
so compassion is one you already
mentioned that to me that’s
acknowledging pain and then caring you
know authentically as much as I can for
it and then wanting it to cease and then
knowing peace and then there’s this
loving kindness I like to call it um
Unstoppable friendliness too you know
it’s just well-wishing and to me at the
start of this this is just an absence of
ill will you know as long as there’s no
ill will in a sense that’s kindness
loving kindness and it can just you know
may you be safe happy peaceful healthy
strong you know um free and at ease and
then there’s this uh the one that’s
often overlooked is this this U
rejoicing being happy for other people’s
happiness if there’s how many billion
people on the Earth if we can be happy
for their happiness that increases our
chances so much you know and my tendency
is to get jealous for someone oh why are
they happy and I’m not then I realize
hey wait a second there’s no there’s I’m
not competing for this I just because
they have happy doesn’t mean that I
can’t have that i’ be happy for their
happiness and so it’s such a great
feeling to rejoice in others happiness
and then equinity what you called PE or
neutrality in a way that’s it so it’s
this Grand uh grandpar love that you
know I’m here I I I I know this I’ve
seen this I’ve been through this and at
the same time I can’t make the choices
of anyone else for them they have to
live their own life but I’m here in
support and I care and I’m not
indifferent but I can’t live your life
for you you have to do it yourself yeah
and that presence is you know as we’re
finding out is so much stronger and more
healing than we ever knew I think the
power of presence uh is really coming to
the Forefront more and more that it is a
superpower and has a lot more to offer
than our Western mind has believed it to
be absolutely generosity you know is is
great because that we can be generous
with our presence I mean look at the
trillions that are spent on Advertising
just to get our attention but when we
really give authentic attention to
someone to really see and hear them it
is such a great gift that I mean it’s
invaluable
so yeah I think it’s a Wellspring of
healing energy that comes out of that
yeah cool well and and
anonia um I think we we start um getting
in the home stretch here um I want to um
give you a chance to tell people um
where they can find you online um you
know what kind of events you might have
be coming up um if you have any products
um Services you know how people can get
a hold of you uh anything else you want
to promote or draw people’s attention to
and then why don’t you leave us with the
last words like
what um what what messages do you want
to leave with the audience as we come to
a close here thanks for
that yeah so everybody can find me on my
website which is trib to collective.com
one word tribet collective.com
and uh I’m actually down in Mexico to
find locations and construct a new
reality down here of healing
um and presents uh so to host more
Retreats because I usually do Retreats
up in Canada so I find the energy in the
South and the Pacific just H
so huge uh and and you know really feeds
the change so I’m trying to construct
that down here so you can keep an eye
out for future Retreats um I do silent
meditation Retreats plant medicine
Retreats Etc so those are all in the
coming down the pipeline on my website
you can see uh you know I work with
groups uh I work
one-on-one um that’s booked until mid
2024 so one inone moving to groups is a
better option that we’re trying to
increase and a lot of what I had
experienced and went through from 2006
up until including the pandemic I put in
wrote in a book it was almost like this
compulsive writing especially that came
out the last couple of years on what you
know what what it was to live a reality
of releasing pain and what came through
the wisdoms that came through on how to
bring in a higher reality into the body
very practical uh approaches to bringing
in Consciousness healing presence into a
being that’s moving through and
transitioning into the next reality so
that’s a book it’s called dismantling
the third dimension and you can find
that on the website as well and of
course on Amazon and my message I guess
would be
um I think it’s really important that we
begin to see and witness when we’re
sitting in one you know a dense reality
the false reality and how it feels and
looks and our perceptions and our
thought processes are different when
we’re in a higher reality and so in
order to navigate between the two we
need to create a space in between that
brings in the energy of the higher
reality we need to take the time uh of
nothingness of spaciousness in order to
bring in the higher energies into our
beings this is my real estate that I own
and in order to shift realities I need
to bring in the potential of a new
reality I think it’s just so important
to take that time and that space to get
very quiet to do the inner work because
the new reality is within here it’s not
out there that is where we are voyaging
that is where our adventure is so
meditation and silence and space are the
most important medicines I think and
more more of us are discovering that but
I think it’s beyond just a good habit I
think it’s fundamental in order to shift
these realities is to create that space
and to bring it into your
being I couldn’t amplify and support
meditation more so thank you so much
anonia for joining and may you all be
well and may your medit ation practices
and inward Journeys go well and may you
find a connect with the the right guides
and friends and communities to help
support that be well I really feel your
well wishes thank you so much and I
return them to you I appreciate that
thank you so
much bye
now
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